Ed-ward Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Hi, what does it mean to you when somebody says he carried the team? What sort of things did he do? Can you make a list, maybe give some examples if it's not clear? Maybe it's highest dps? Maybe a cc at the right time. How important is following up on agreed upon targets? Better to switch than chase a slippery one? My hope is that all players might benefit from this. Perhaps they will realize they can do more or do something different. For me it means he helped control the game. He did dps on the right target, cced the right target at the right time. Offlealed when possible. I prefer more focused dps on one target. This depends on the composition ofc. If all members have AoE / DoTspread mezzes wouldn't work wery well. I try to stay on the target up to a fault. For example Operatives carry by offhealing, cc, baiting enemy into attacking them and locking down opponents. Marauders can carry by high dps, well placed cc and high survivability. Same for Juggs except they can guard too. Mercs can carry by dps, offheals and baiting enemy into attacking them and then kiting well. Dps PTs can... ...kite? If you disagree with me, just write what it does mean in your opinion.
Yezzan Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 When someone said he carried the team, he meant that he practically did everything. Let me give you an example, I was going veteran mode Blood Hunt, my three group mates got killed in the early part of fighting the husband and wife mando bosses, and I had to kill both bosses myself. same thing happened when we got the Shae Vizla, they died and I had to kill her be myself. So, I carried them. In PvP warzone, it is almost impossible to carry a team unless the enemy team suk badly. However, in 4v4 pvp, if you pulled off a 3v1 then you carried your team since you were fighting 3 opponents by yourself and won, that's almost impossible in Ranked but in regular death match it is possible.
Storm-Cutter Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Basically to be carried is to do the barest minimum not to get kicked. - Conversely to carry a team, - one or more individuals did the majority of the work- taking al the objectives, moving and scoring with the huttball or generally being invaluable - by DPSing the hell out of the enemy, keeping everyone alive with heals or generally assisting everyone with taunts, interrupts, protection etc.
Aeneas_Falco Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) It means that one person is responsible for the team's win. Outside of arenas however it is impossible for only one person to carry the rest of the team. In an 8 vs 8 you need more than one person who knows that they are doing or you're going to lose. Two or three can maybe determine a match's outcome but not one. There's just too much going on and often on different sides of the map. If someone is going on about carrying in Ops chat for an 8 vs 8 match they either have way too high an opinion of their own abilities or they just don't know how to play nice with other people. Even in arenas I'd hesitate to use the word carry in most circumstances. I've had all DPS matches where I had 7 of the 8 kills and twice as much damage as the #2 DPS, but I still threw a vote at the #2 DPS or maybe the person who drew focus if they managed to stay alive and not get globalled. It's still a team effort even if one person carried more of the load. Edited April 11, 2018 by Aeneas_Falco
yellow_ Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 it's just another overused (I'm guilty) histrionic gamer culture word for when you think (think being the keyword) you pulled a lot of weight it should never, ever be taken literally or even all that seriously
Lhancelot Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 To take the entire team on your back like a heavy useless back pack, lug it through a WZ and win with absolutely no help from any of the other 7 players. That's a carry. I never done it btw. I seen it done though. When you get someone this good, you just hang on to their backside as best you can, and enjoy the ride.
TrixxieTriss Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Basically to be carried is to do the barest minimum not to get kicked. - Conversely to carry a team, - one or more individuals did the majority of the work- taking al the objectives, moving and scoring with the huttball or generally being invaluable - by DPSing the hell out of the enemy, keeping everyone alive with heals or generally assisting everyone with taunts, interrupts, protection etc. Pretty much this ^^
septru Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) Hi, what does it mean to you when somebody says he carried the team? What sort of things did he do? Can you make a list, maybe give some examples if it's not clear? Maybe it's highest dps? Maybe a cc at the right time. How important is following up on agreed upon targets? Better to switch than chase a slippery one? My hope is that all players might benefit from this. Perhaps they will realize they can do more or do something different. For me it means he helped control the game. He did dps on the right target, cced the right target at the right time. Offlealed when possible. I prefer more focused dps on one target. This depends on the composition ofc. If all members have AoE / DoTspread mezzes wouldn't work wery well. I try to stay on the target up to a fault. For example Operatives carry by offhealing, cc, baiting enemy into attacking them and locking down opponents. Marauders can carry by high dps, well placed cc and high survivability. Same for Juggs except they can guard too. Mercs can carry by dps, offheals and baiting enemy into attacking them and then kiting well. Dps PTs can... ...kite? If you disagree with me, just write what it does mean in your opinion. You need to be much more specific about what you mean. Carry in Ranked? Carry in Regs? Carry in Huttball? Carry as healer? Carry as a tank? Carry in a 1v1? One thing I will add is that carry is very overate. I myself tell people that I carry them frequently, however most of the time its just to troll. To truly carry someone is extremely hard, and oftentimes your game and skill will be high but no matter how good it will not be perfect. It is really hard to work to a completely perfect game or to make all the right decisions. Instead, are you just trying to get a list of possible ways to make your game better? Edited April 11, 2018 by septru
KumbayaGOD Posted April 12, 2018 Posted April 12, 2018 Hi, what does it mean to you when somebody says he carried the team? What sort of things did he do? Can you make a list, maybe give some examples if it's not clear? Maybe it's highest dps? Maybe a cc at the right time. How important is following up on agreed upon targets? Better to switch than chase a slippery one? My hope is that all players might benefit from this. Perhaps they will realize they can do more or do something different. For me it means he helped control the game. He did dps on the right target, cced the right target at the right time. Offlealed when possible. I prefer more focused dps on one target. This depends on the composition ofc. If all members have AoE / DoTspread mezzes wouldn't work wery well. I try to stay on the target up to a fault. For example Operatives carry by offhealing, cc, baiting enemy into attacking them and locking down opponents. Marauders can carry by high dps, well placed cc and high survivability. Same for Juggs except they can guard too. Mercs can carry by dps, offheals and baiting enemy into attacking them and then kiting well. Dps PTs can... ...kite? If you disagree with me, just write what it does mean in your opinion. one thing that come to mind when someone actually carry if say operative single handedly score 6 for the team , i can absolutely say he carry the team or maybe in arena and have 2 v 1 and won ,that i consider carrying the team
TrixxieTriss Posted April 12, 2018 Posted April 12, 2018 I tried to carry your mom, but I broke my back. Don’t you lift bro?
Ed-ward Posted April 12, 2018 Author Posted April 12, 2018 You need to be much more specific about what you mean. Carry in Ranked? Carry in Regs? Carry in Huttball? Carry as healer? Carry as a tank? Carry in a 1v1? One thing I will add is that carry is very overate. I myself tell people that I carry them frequently, however most of the time its just to troll. To truly carry someone is extremely hard, and oftentimes your game and skill will be high but no matter how good it will not be perfect. It is really hard to work to a completely perfect game or to make all the right decisions. Instead, are you just trying to get a list of possible ways to make your game better? Whatever comes to your mind when you hear somebody say they carried the team. The term can be used in a variety of situations and so can answers address any of them. Your answer is fine. Thank you. I was partially curious myself what people actually understand under this term, partially the thread could be a good indicator what is general consensus what sort of things should be done if you want to better youself and up your contribution. Or your public visibility. Why do I mention public visibility? Because in my opinion you can do things that are not easily spotted and don't show in stats at the end of the match yet they can make a tremendous difference. My point of view is from 4vs4 ranked as it's practically the only activity I do in swtor these days. What sort of things? An example would be pushing (several) players off the ramp on Orbital. The difference can make or break the game situationally (You push all but your team's target down). How does it translate to their lost dps/healing/protection? Yet you lost dps or hps because the ability doesn't contribute to any stat in the end match summary. Or you force wave (with root) a dps and a tank out of the guard range. How much damage have you prevented? Some good burst sins come to mind. They use a combination of lift, wave, stun, low slash, grenade to lock down a player. Definitely changing the balance of the match. A good kiting would fall under this category as well. You may look bad because you have lower dps but at the same time you screwed two opponent dps wasting their time on you. When I was writing the post I had 4vs4 in mind but I am happy that people from all kinds of group activity responded. You can "carry" anywhere.
Aeneas_Falco Posted April 12, 2018 Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) one thing that come to mind when someone actually carry if say operative single handedly score 6 for the team , i can absolutely say he carry the team or maybe in arena and have 2 v 1 and won ,that i consider carrying the team Even in that Huttball I'd be hesitant to say the Operative carried. While the Operative may have been the MVP for his or her team, he or she wouldn't have been able to score 6 times if there was no support from teammates. If you have 7 teammates who are just deathmatching and doing nothing to support you while you are running the ball, you're going to get wrecked by the other team unless they're equally bad at playing objectives. Chances are that Operative was getting healed, or guarded, pulled by a friendly Sorc, or had DPS taking care of the opposing players that were focusing the ball runner. Or there were friendly DPS controlling mid. Edited April 12, 2018 by Aeneas_Falco
EmanoWanga Posted April 12, 2018 Posted April 12, 2018 To carry someone means you have Trixxie in group
xChAoTiXx Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 This. Sorry for reviving an old thread but when I saw this video I just had to post it here lol.
DavidAtkinson Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 This. Sorry for reviving an old thread but when I saw this video I just had to post it here lol. OH ***** GOD..... Is that real ? HOLY ******* :eek::eek::eek: Well yes.... who said that carnage is not viable. That was epic dude. Absolutely incredible. That guy has some very strong nerves to have pulled that off......
DenariusJay Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 I want to be carried. I NEED to be carried. Hold me.
Wimbleton Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 Janglor and I are out there carrying all day erraday, just hop in the backpack.
Mannok Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) A complete list might be hard to compile on your own , but anyways a few "Carry" scenarioes comes to mind. 1) Do the solo cap, at a node that is being defended, more than once. 2) Interrupt 2-4 ppl, for more than a minute, while your team fights 7 vs. "Rest" and do it more than once. 3) Get more than 50% of your entire teams Killing Blows -> Means you were at the right place at the right time. 4) Getting 20+ Killing Blows in any WZ is very rare and can be considered "Carry", 30+ for "Epic Carry" and 40+ for Legendary mode. 5) Safe someone from `certain´ Death by doing some, #Wombo-Combo-Healer/Tank-Thing for 5-10 times during a WZ. 6) Do the exact CC, at the exact right moment, in the middle of a quasi-chaotic fight and cap an obj. or kill that healer, more than once. (Capitalize on this weakness for more Glory). 7) Foresee a weakness in your own team or enemy team's defense and be 30 secs ahead of anyone else, more than once during a WZ. (Capitalize on this weakness for more Glory). and 8) Any equally important combination of the above. NOTE: If any bias is being observed, no problem: I currently play Vigilance Guardian (abit "Skanking" as well) and Concentration Sentinel. Both at X+ hours /played. Edited November 23, 2018 by Mannok
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