The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) Hi all. I do not visit the forums very often, but I was curious if the devs were planning to do anything in her memory. I checked the dev tracker, but I don't see any posts. And while the social media outlets seem to be active (both twitter and facebook) I don't see any comment even acknowledging her passing. Have I missed something? Edited December 31, 2016 by The_Grand_Nagus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterceil Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Cartel Market spam matters way more to Bioware than the cast that brought the franchise to life. They're too busy basking on a beach somewhere for their winter vacation to even log into the forums for a few minutes and make a statement. Twitter and Facebook cartel spam is probably automated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphahorizon Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Cartel Market spam matters way more to Bioware than the cast that brought the franchise to life. They're too busy basking on a beach somewhere for their winter vacation to even log into the forums for a few minutes and make a statement. Twitter and Facebook cartel spam is probably automated. And with that they will add (for sale exclusively to the cartel market) a holo replica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Cartel Market spam matters way more to Bioware than the cast that brought the franchise to life. They're too busy basking on a beach somewhere for their winter vacation to even log into the forums for a few minutes and make a statement. Twitter and Facebook cartel spam is probably automated. Yeah, maybe so. Although as others have pointed out, other games seem to have cared enough to pay respects on their social media, even though those people have the same holidays and vacations going on. Just seems a bit odd, but "different strokes for different folks", I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joonbeams Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 In my opinion, this is the single biggest problem with this company. More than GC, RNG, etc. Horrendous community engagement, pitiful communication. It's inexcusable. How hard is it to say something like "We're with you all, as Star Wars fans, in grieving the loss of Carrie Fisher. The team will discuss options for tributes when we reconvene after the holidays."? Boom. Done. Back to egg nog and family. Can be done from your phone while on the ski lift. This ain't hard. As one who could be called a "white knight" this constant pattern infuriates me to no end. It's lazy, disrespectful, and bad business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 After a bit of thought, I think there is only one realistic reason why there has been no comment: When the news first broke, someone in the Bioware/EA PR department probably sent an email to their contact at Disney asking if it is OK for them to post their condolences. While this "step" may not have been technically required, the person was probably just playing it safe by asking permission to make a statement. Due to the holidays, whoever the Disney contact person was is probably out of the office and isn't replying to emails. So since the Bioware/EA PR person never got permission, no comment was ever made. I know that sounds kind of silly, but that is literally the only realistic reason I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanVlk Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Why is it so important to everyone to see people who never knew Carrie Fisher to issue some fake comments how heartbroken they are over her death? Even if BW issued a comment, it would be just to tick the checkbox, they never met Carrie Fisher, they are not actually heartbroken about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) It's the holidays so I doubt it, i think the cartel market is updated automatically on a queue system. Iirc Swtor office al Twitter didn't say any regarding Carrie either, which I did find kind of weird. Disney did do it on theirs, but yeah Bioware isn't Disney so. Edited December 31, 2016 by Eshvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebruixe Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Cartel Market spam matters way more to Bioware than the cast that brought the franchise to life. They're too busy basking on a beach somewhere for their winter vacation to even log into the forums for a few minutes and make a statement. So sad...so true...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Why is it so important to everyone to see people who never knew Carrie Fisher to issue some fake comments how heartbroken they are over her death? What do you mean by "so important"? Does asking the question (of why they haven't said anything) = "so important"? If so, let's use your own logic. Why is it "so important" to YOU to know why it's "so important" to other people? Or is it possible that people asking questions out of curiosity without something having to be "so important"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toraak Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) In my opinion, this is the single biggest problem with this company. More than GC, RNG, etc. Horrendous community engagement, pitiful communication. It's inexcusable. How hard is it to say something like "We're with you all, as Star Wars fans, in grieving the loss of Carrie Fisher. The team will discuss options for tributes when we reconvene after the holidays."? Boom. Done. Back to egg nog and family. Can be done from your phone while on the ski lift. This ain't hard. As one who could be called a "white knight" this constant pattern infuriates me to no end. It's lazy, disrespectful, and bad business. You do realize, BW is on it's holiday break right? they're not going to say anything official until they get back to work sometime in Jan. PS: Not to mention why is it disrespectful? They are on vacation. I wouldn't even check the forums if I were them, it doesn't have to do with disrespect, it has to do with they are free to enjoy vacations without saying anything on the forums during that break. Edited December 31, 2016 by Toraak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) You do realize, BW is on it's holiday break right? they're not going to say anything official until they get back to work sometime in Jan. Same is true of the other games/companies who have made statements. That is why I think it must be something like I mentioned on the last page: http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=9192547&postcount=6 Edited December 31, 2016 by The_Grand_Nagus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanVlk Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 What do you mean by "so important"? Does asking the question (of why they haven't said anything) = "so important"? If so, let's use your own logic. Why is it "so important" to YOU to know why it's "so important" to other people? Or is it possible that people asking questions out of curiosity without something having to be "so important"? I didn't specifically mean your initial question. But people have been asking for BW comment in many threads before, as if it was somehow important. Even one poster above finds the lack of their commentary inexcusable and one of the biggest problems of the company. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyFlynn Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Charles and Eric individually retweeted a post from someone else, EAStarWars on twitter retweeted a post from Star Wars but Bioware themselves have been mute on the subject so far, both on Facebook, Twitter and the Forums. A bit of a shame given how many other companies and individuals alike who're also 'on holidays' and many not even involved in the Star Wars universe, did take a moment to say something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) I think they'd also have to get approval from Disney as it's in a different time line, and apparently they are fussy with such things. I doubt they can just decide this on their own, even find this is just a memorial. (Assuming they'll use Leia instead of the actual person) Edited December 31, 2016 by Eshvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Charles and Eric individually retweeted a post from someone else, EAStarWars on twitter retweeted a post from Star Wars but Bioware themselves have been mute on the subject so far, both on Facebook, Twitter and the Forums. A bit of a shame given how many other companies and individuals alike who're also 'on holidays' and many not even involved in the Star Wars universe, did take a moment to say something. Interesting; that plays into my idea about needing to get permission and never hearing back. Since the Bioware and EA people are obviously aware and active on twitter, I'm sure they would like to say something if they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 I didn't specifically mean your initial question. But people have been asking for BW comment in many threads before, as if it was somehow important. Even one poster above finds the lack of their commentary inexcusable and one of the biggest problems of the company. It's ridiculous. That is a fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborneguy Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 It's the holidays so I doubt it, i think the cartel market is updated automatically on a queue system. Iirc Swtor office al Twitter didn't say any regarding Carrie either, which I did find kind of weird. Disney did do it on theirs, but yeah Bioware isn't Disney so. How do you know that one of them never met her. Chill out dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayshuba Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) Sad that this was caught by the news: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/30/star-wars-the-old-republic-players-eulogize-carrie-fisher-in-game/ http://massivelyop.com/2016/12/27/star-wars-the-old-republic-players-pay-tribute-to-carrie-fisher/ And another company can make an announcement about putting a permanent memorial in game in their next patch with Fisher Station. But not a peep from the game company with the license for Star Wars. Edited December 31, 2016 by Wayshuba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joonbeams Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 You do realize, BW is on it's holiday break right? they're not going to say anything official until they get back to work sometime in Jan. PS: Not to mention why is it disrespectful? They are on vacation. I wouldn't even check the forums if I were them, it doesn't have to do with disrespect, it has to do with they are free to enjoy vacations without saying anything on the forums during that break. Look, I'm as much a BW defender as anyone. I'm also on a holiday. So are many other companies who've posted. President Obama weighed in on his holiday. Many from Congress too. Disney. HBO. Etc. Even the Prime Minister of Canada commented. This is a multi-billion dollar company with a multi-million dollar exclusive IP license. Exclusive. Radio silence is disrespectful because it signals to the customers that NOTHING is important enough for them to take 2 seconds out of their holidays for, nothing. Are they bigger than the POTUS? Are they bigger than the SW franchise? It takes two seconds to hop on your phone say "we're grieving, more later" and hop off. No excuses. Sorry. This is part of a bigger pattern of genuine tone-deafness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomaad Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 You honestly expect these guys to make an announcement that they will make an announcement regarding this? They probably don't even know who she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) How do you know that one of them never met her. Chill out dude I think you're totally missing what I was trying to say. Leia didn't exist in the swtor timeline, so they might not be able to put a Leia statue in. And I don't know if there would be any objections from Disney or idk who, to use her actual name. It isn't all as simple as we'd like it to be, as sad as it is. Which is also going to be why there has been no word at all. Edited December 31, 2016 by Eshvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 I think you're totally missing what I was trying to say. Leia didn't exist in the swtor timeline, so they might not be able to put a Leia statue in. And I don't know if there would be any objections from Disney or idk who, to use her actual name. It isn't all as simple as we'd like it to be, as sad as it is. Which is also going to be why there has been no word at all. There are 2 separate issues that are not actually the same thing that some people are mistakenly mixing together: 1) some sort of official in game statue or memorial or event for Carrie Fisher 2) expressing condolences on social media I totally agree with your comments regarding them probably needing various permissions do actually put something in game, and the conflict between the game's timeline and the character of leia. On the other hand, some people are just a little "surprised" they have made absolutely no comment on social media, when many other games not even in the Star Wars IP have done so. Those 2 issues are not the same thing, and should not be conflated together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) Setting aside the fact that the OP only makes thread posts to try to drive drama in the forum.....on the rare occasions when he is actually active here...... The answer is simple really. Any such comments, at all, on behalf of the company would have to first be vetted by the legal department. Why? Because Carrie Fisher is a public personality, and everything about her is HER IP.... and it now goes to her estate. And everything about Star Wars is Disney's IP. It's one thing for a private citizen to make a comment in public discussion... it's entirely different for a company to do so. Even a comment by an employee that appears on the surface to be harmless, could in fact cause legal harm in some manner. I'm not saying it would.. only that it could.. and "could" is all legal teams in corporations need, which is why gag orders are common in corporations. And since this is the holiday season right now, I would not expect any statement before the full workforce returns after Jan 2nd. Imagine if they did comment, without legal clearance, and what they said somehow inflamed somebody or somebodies (because it was not enough, or too much, or whatever pretense). It's not like an official statement is actually required, much less needed immediately. Sadly, some people would use any statement as a pretense to protest something.... just like some are using the lack of an "official statement" as some sort of horrific oversight, or sleight. Some people would like it, and some people feel strongly about it.. which is exactly why the OP made this thread. He knows there has been no official statement by EA or the studio... he just wants to stir up passions. Edited December 31, 2016 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 There are 2 separate issues that are not actually the same thing that some people are mistakenly mixing together: 1) some sort of official in game statue or memorial or event for Carrie Fisher 2) expressing condolences on social media I totally agree with your comments regarding them probably needing various permissions do actually put something in game, and the conflict between the game's timeline and the character of leia. On the other hand, some people are just a little "surprised" they have made absolutely no comment on social media, when many other games not even in the Star Wars IP have done so. Those 2 issues are not the same thing, and should not be conflated together. I agree on that though, I did say I found it weird that there has been nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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