Screaming_Ziva Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 As a Sorc, how am I supposed to beat a Merc 1 on 1? I have to stop attacking him when he pops his shield (or whatever) because I damage myself and heal him at the same time. So, I pretty much just have to stand there and take it up the butt. On top of that, I can't even use Force Speed, Phase Walk, or Force Barrier because I get hindered?
ShadessaWayland Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 As a Sorc, how am I supposed to beat a Merc 1 on 1? I have to stop attacking him when he pops his shield (or whatever) because I damage myself and heal him at the same time. So, I pretty much just have to stand there and take it up the butt. On top of that, I can't even use Force Speed, Phase Walk, or Force Barrier because I get hindered? all i can say focus on team work not try to solo and force him to use his skills and try to stay alive but team work in pvp is pretty bad here i even saw it in huttball the ball was in the center and no1 wanna take it they only wanna kill ea other -.- so yea i took the ball and had a free move to get to the other side
merovejec Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 Well, you cant just press buttons now and have to finnaly use your head While Reflect is up you should heal yourself, kite, bubble yourself (not THE bubble, that absorb bubble), also reflect doesnt heal him, Shield heals him if he is attacked while having it active, but only heals im at the end. As a Sorc you at least stand a fair chance being a rdps, imagine a Sentinel!! Blazing bolts applies slow, and almost the entire rotation can be done on the move, which is cancer for melee dps. But I am not complaining that much. As a Sorc you have to kite a bit more and offheal yourself, you have to outlive him and avoid his burst as its much stronger than yours. His defensive cooldowns are good, but once used they wont be back up so soon, you have to work with that.
Evolixe Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 You know, not every class is as capable of 1v1 as another. As such, you probably won't kill a decent merc with a Sorc, period.
Kawiki Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Well, you cant just press buttons now and have to finnaly use your head While Reflect is up you should heal yourself, kite, bubble yourself (not THE bubble, that absorb bubble), also reflect doesnt heal him, Shield heals him if he is attacked while having it active, but only heals im at the end. As a Sorc you at least stand a fair chance being a rdps, imagine a Sentinel!! Blazing bolts applies slow, and almost the entire rotation can be done on the move, which is cancer for melee dps. But I am not complaining that much. As a Sorc you have to kite a bit more and offheal yourself, you have to outlive him and avoid his burst as its much stronger than yours. His defensive cooldowns are good, but once used they wont be back up so soon, you have to work with that. You can't kite a merc and the mercs reflect ability does heal the merc if you continue to damage him including dots. You could try to LoS him but mercs are very mobile right now. DPS Sorcs are in a pretty bad place right now. You can make them work but you don't have much chance at all against most classes (if those classes are played correctly) let alone mercs. Edited December 28, 2016 by Kawiki
beattlebilly Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Burn him down to force him to use his CD's, when he pops that reflect bubble heal yourself while you're waiting for it to fade. Edited December 28, 2016 by beattlebilly
Master-Nala Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 As a Sorc, how am I supposed to beat a Merc 1 on 1? You're not supposed to beat a Merc.
Master-Nala Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Burn him down to force him to use his CD's, when he pops that reflect bubble heal yourself while you're waiting for it to fade. Neither Madness or Lightning is able to 'burn' anything down currently. By contrast, Mercs can rather easily hit a Sorc for 60-80% of his or her health within the reflect's duration. Edited December 28, 2016 by Master-Nala
Pellerinen Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 Neither Madness or Lightning is able to 'burn' anything down currently. By contrast, Mercs can rather easily hit a Sorc for 60-80% of his or her health within the reflect's duration. Well, this might come as a surprise to you, but DoTs are not reflected... so any DoT ability will still go through, and you can just spam them. Granted, the merc will still murder you, but you can hurt him a lot like that before the sad little FotM'er ends you.
Purgamentorum Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 And this is how the rest of the classes felt about sages for so long. God bubble, stun bubble, phasewalk, force speed, heal to full, 2 or 3 stun breaks I can't remember, the best aoe heal, plus probably things I have forgotten. Every other class learned how to play the game now sorcs do to. Good luck you have 3 years of practice to catch up with everyone else. PS Mandos still are the only class to reveal they are a healer in regs. Maybe all healers should get a green line of healing then the forums would start to cry.
DerSchneider Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) As a Sorc, how am I supposed to beat a Merc 1 on 1? I have to stop attacking him when he pops his shield (or whatever) because I damage myself and heal him at the same time. So, I pretty much just have to stand there and take it up the butt. On top of that, I can't even use Force Speed, Phase Walk, or Force Barrier because I get hindered? A common reply is: Dis geim iz not suppozed to haz 1v1 balanz Edited December 31, 2016 by DerSchneider
Eoricc Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 And this is how the rest of the classes felt about sages for so long. God bubble, stun bubble, phasewalk, force speed, heal to full, 2 or 3 stun breaks I can't remember, the best aoe heal, plus probably things I have forgotten. Every other class learned how to play the game now sorcs do to. Good luck you have 3 years of practice to catch up with everyone else. PS Mandos still are the only class to reveal they are a healer in regs. Maybe all healers should get a green line of healing then the forums would start to cry. Well said, I totally agree.
FourPawnBenoni Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 Due to the fact that most of the Sorcerer’s healing and damaging abilities have an activation time, they may need to be more careful than other classes about using LOS to their own advantage – for a Sorcerer, positioning is extremely important at all times. Sorcerer’s are an “easy to play, hard to master” class, in that most of their abilities are rather straight-forward and easily understood, but getting the most out of those abilities may require a higher skill level than many players are comfortable with. As a Sorc, you must play defensively and make them pay for trying to kill you.
HelinCarnate Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 A common reply is: Dis geim iz not suppozed to haz 1v1 balanz Now who would ever imply such a thing.
Gabzizzle Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 A good merc would've beaten a good sorc 1v1 in 4.0 too.
MercenaryPlayer Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) As a Sorc, how am I supposed to beat a Merc 1 on 1? I have to stop attacking him when he pops his shield (or whatever) because I damage myself and heal him at the same time. So, I pretty much just have to stand there and take it up the butt. On top of that, I can't even use Force Speed, Phase Walk, or Force Barrier because I get hindered? As a pretty solid IO Merc I can say it's gonna be harder now to kill mercs but, they are not unkillable like people seem to think. Learn your rotation, learn what moves to interrupt. When to stun and when to knock back. It sounds like you've not played merc before and, I can say from experience that playing all the other classes gives you a better idea of how to counter each class. Know what moves do what and what the icons on the opposing players buff bar means. This is really the best way to learn if you aren't keen on asking ppl for advice. Most ppl will only tell you how they do it and how other players roll their classes may not adhere to your style of play. This just comes down to you spending the time reading guides and practicing on your own. Edited January 1, 2017 by MercenaryPlayer
Master-Nala Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 And this is how the rest of the classes felt about sages for so long. God bubble, stun bubble, phasewalk, force speed, heal to full, 2 or 3 stun breaks I can't remember, the best aoe heal, plus probably things I have forgotten. Every other class learned how to play the game now sorcs do to. Good luck you have 3 years of practice to catch up with everyone else. PS Mandos still are the only class to reveal they are a healer in regs. Maybe all healers should get a green line of healing then the forums would start to cry. Two things: 1) Sorcs NEVER had the damage Mercs do, nor the 3 focus break DCDs. 2) If you can't figure out that a Sorc or an Operative is a healer inside of a couple of seconds, the problem is you.
verfallen Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 As far as tactic goes : if possible kite him through the shield (the one not reflecting) to avoid the heal on collapse (unless you are fairly sure you can finish them off before it collapse) and when the reflect pops use aoe. it only reflect single target. Force storm isnt much single target damage, but its still damage at least. But honestly the deck is heavily stacked against you from the start, and even with the "god bubble" you probably wont win, especially if the merc can hinder you and negate your phase walk and force speed for 9 seconds while it happily pummel your light armor with 35k heatseekers and 10k ticks of boltstorm.
TheMadProphet Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 And this is how the rest of the classes felt about sages for so long. God bubble, stun bubble, phasewalk, force speed, heal to full, 2 or 3 stun breaks I can't remember, the best aoe heal, plus probably things I have forgotten. Every other class learned how to play the game now sorcs do to. Good luck you have 3 years of practice to catch up with everyone else. PS Mandos still are the only class to reveal they are a healer in regs. Maybe all healers should get a green line of healing then the forums would start to cry. ^^ what this guy said.
Purgamentorum Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 2) If you can't figure out that a Sorc or an Operative is a healer inside of a couple of seconds, the problem is you. The problem is not working out who the healer is but where the healer is. A big nice graphical arrow pointing to your hiding spot to avoid focus is a problem only mandos have. And as for your first point will you trade phase walk for propulsion? Force speed for hydraulic override? or maybe the sheer numbers that a sorc can pull for the mandos merge effort? But then when you have stun bubble who needs to move away fast you could just stroll.
DarkSaberMaster Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 And this is how the rest of the classes felt about sages for so long. God bubble, stun bubble, phasewalk, force speed, heal to full, 2 or 3 stun breaks I can't remember, the best aoe heal, plus probably things I have forgotten. Every other class learned how to play the game now sorcs do to. Good luck you have 3 years of practice to catch up with everyone else. PS Mandos still are the only class to reveal they are a healer in regs. Maybe all healers should get a green line of healing then the forums would start to cry. Well said.
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