Force-centric story line

[Jusoon]

I appreciate that the story arc should make each player feel important and make their characters into the protagonist or antagonist of an epic poem, but does that have to mean that every player becomes a jedi/sith? I play a BH and I feel absolutely out of place in the story arc as it stands now. It is all about the force and the character's supreme connection to it and my character has no connection to it at all, other than killing force user contract targets.

 

Think about how it would feel for Dark Council members or Jedi Masters if an entire story arc was built around the character hanging out in bars, taking contracts to hunt down and kill deadbeat gamblers. The players who want their characters to be Obi-wan would hate it. Well, I want my character to be Greedo and until these last two expansions I was able to connect that image for my character with the story arcs BW created. Not anymore.

 

If I wanted to play a Jedi, i'd roll a Jedi. Thats my 2 cents worth. Thanks

[Avinler]

It sucks, but KOTFE and KOTET were expansions of the Jedi/Sith stories. BioWare Austin will claim that it is for all classes, but anyone that's played the class stories and the recent expansions cannot fathom that claim. As someone that primarily plays a Commando, I feel your Bounty Hunter pain.

[SlthBounteHuntah]

I also feel the pain. I tried playing the stories on my Trooper and Agent but I couldn't do it. To me it just doesn't make sense. I'm just happy I only play Sith often so it's not a huge deal to me. Maybe I would play the others more often if it made more sense for them?

[omaan]

I appreciate that the story arc should make each player feel important and make their characters into the protagonist or antagonist of an epic poem, but does that have to mean that every player becomes a jedi/sith? I play a BH and I feel absolutely out of place in the story arc as it stands now. It is all about the force and the character's supreme connection to it and my character has no connection to it at all, other than killing force user contract targets.

 

Think about how it would feel for Dark Council members or Jedi Masters if an entire story arc was built around the character hanging out in bars, taking contracts to hunt down and kill deadbeat gamblers. The players who want their characters to be Obi-wan would hate it. Well, I want my character to be Greedo and until these last two expansions I was able to connect that image for my character with the story arcs BW created. Not anymore.

 

If I wanted to play a Jedi, i'd roll a Jedi. Thats my 2 cents worth. Thanks

 

Agreed both kotfe and kotet are only for force users, Valkorian gives force to a smuggler? No lol smugglers can't use force. I also want them return to empire vs republic story! I want to fight empire soldiers, sith, assaulting empire bases. I don't like fighting third side

[Dashtardly]

Yes, how exactly does my crouched down agent face up to a leaping force user waving a light saber in her direction and not die? What blocks the light saber swing through my body? Surely not the barrel of my sniper rifle? If it's my supreme dodge ability then I think I'd never have time to adventure as I'd be training every Jedi/Sith on how to do that.

[ForjKlahaa]

It takes a bit of mental gymnastics but I make it work for most classes. The only one that really gets me is my scrapper scoundrel bringing fists to a force fight... as if you could just punch Vaylin or Valkorian to death. The mirror spec, concealment, at least uses knives.

[Eshvara]

There's nothing weird about Valkorion wanting a non force sensitive human imp agent. Just the way you left your mark on the galaxy with your rifle!!

[ludoviccb]

It takes a bit of mental gymnastics but I make it work for most classes. The only one that really gets me is my scrapper scoundrel bringing fists to a force fight... as if you could just punch Vaylin or Valkorian to death. The mirror spec, concealment, at least uses knives.

 

Scoundrel got the best Jedi/Sith killing weapon of all, a Sawed-off Shotgun. You can't block it with a lightsaber and it's really hard to avoid with it's large spread.

 

For the main subject, for all the classes beside the Jedi Knight, it require some mental gymnastics since there is some reference both in the class story and the Kotfe/Kotet storyline about a special relation between the emperor and the Jedi Knight and that the Jedi Knight Destiny is to kill the emperor once and for all.

[Aeneas_Falco]

Scoundrel got the best Jedi/Sith killing weapon of all, a Sawed-off Shotgun. You can't block it with a lightsaber and it's really hard to avoid with it's large spread.

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That should be fairly easy for Jedi & Sith to counter, actually. Anything that fires projectiles should be ineffective against people who can seize those projectiles with their magical mind powers, and redirect them. Kylo Ren even does it to an extent (he freezes them, rather than redirecting) with blaster bolts.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Aeneas_Falco

[eriksarcasm]

That should be fairly easy for Jedi & Sith to counter, actually. Anything that fires projectiles should be ineffective against people who can seize those projectiles with their magical mind powers, and redirect them. Kylo Ren even does it to an extent (he freezes them, rather than redirecting) with blaster bolts.

 

Also they're not projectiles, per se, they're energy particles, as is my understanding. They can be dissipated as Vader does to Han's volley is ESB.

[ForjKlahaa]

That should be fairly easy for Jedi & Sith to counter, actually. Anything that fires projectiles should be ineffective against people who can seize those projectiles with their magical mind powers, and redirect them. Kylo Ren even does it to an extent (he freezes them, rather than redirecting) with blaster bolts.

 

This basically. Every Jedi/Sith with some training can deflect blaster fire with their sabre and as their arms don't move at the speed of sound, I assume they slow the bullets down before knocking them away.

 

I'm doing the JK classic story right now and I've come up against at least three Imperial non-force-users who said something along the lies of "I've been trained to kill Jedi" and I think, "No, you've probably been trained to be cannon fodder to keep the Jedi busy while everyone else carries out the rest of the mission."

[adormitul]

Scoundrel got the best Jedi/Sith killing weapon of all, a Sawed-off Shotgun. You can't block it with a lightsaber and it's really hard to avoid with it's large spread.

 

For the main subject, for all the classes beside the Jedi Knight, it require some mental gymnastics since there is some reference both in the class story and the Kotfe/Kotet storyline about a special relation between the emperor and the Jedi Knight and that the Jedi Knight Destiny is to kill the emperor once and for all.

 

Did you played SW it clearly fits better then the JK and the last chapter conforms who is supposed to be the Outlander.

You know how non force user can avoid a jedi its with a jetpack. BH has that after all he can use this to his advantage and what would stop a force from for pulling him its probably the flametrower that kills you.

Why can't he use the force to immobilize him well its because the jetpack is on and its gonna be a tough thing to do. When Darth Vader fought Bobba Fett for the first time he almost lost in a martial duel until he used the force to immobilize Bobba Fett who could move his hand just a little to trow something and distract Vader releasing him. The same thing here he could just have enough time to shoot a laser bean from his finger or trow a grande which will distract you either way.

About lightsaber protection well the BH has a personal shield for example bet that can protect you. What do you all think about this explanation?

Edited December 19, 2016 by adormitul

[Wolfninjajedi]

Scoundrel got the best Jedi/Sith killing weapon of all, a Sawed-off Shotgun. You can't block it with a lightsaber and it's really hard to avoid with it's large spread.

 

Hmm?

 

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127594/5104037-432.png

 

Double barrel Cortosis shot which was blocked by a Jedi, did nothing to him other than short out his lightsaber because of the cortosis. Hmm...

[adormitul]

Not sure that was a jedi and how do you know the bullets did not passed trough the lightsaber as where Cade Bane shot was further then the body of the fake jedi so not really a deflection there it was Cade Bane shooting at the lightsaber.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Not sure that was a jedi and how do you know the bullets did not passed trough the lightsaber as where Cade Bane shot was further then the body of the fake jedi so not really a deflection there it was Cade Bane shooting at the lightsaber.

 

That was a Jedi specifically it was Jedi Bolla Ropal, also the Jedi didn't have his lightsaber up when Cad shot at him so how was he aiming at the lightsaber? Because if they did pass through they would have hit the guy, yet clearly the Jedi was fine.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Wolfninjajedi

[adormitul]

That was a Jedi, also the Jedi didn't have his lightsaber up when Cad shot at him so how was he aiming at the lightsaber? Because if they did pass through they would have hit the guy, yet clearly the Jedi was fine.

 

Well he might have been but remember what Cade Bane said "Heads Up" so the jedi will raise his lightsaber and it was clearly shown in the picture that the head and body of the jedi was at the hilt of the lightsaber and Cade shoot at the beam.

The proof are in the pictures you uploaded.

Edited December 19, 2016 by adormitul

[Wolfninjajedi]

Well he might have been but remember what Cade Bane said "Heads Up" so the jedi will raise his lightsaber and it was clearly shown in the picture that the head and body of the jedi was at the hilt of the lightsaber and Cade shoot at the beam.

 

Yet he shot at Bolla as he said that. No matter which way you look at it, the shotgun was ineffective in doing any damage to Bolla despite it being a shotgun blast, the blade of a lightsaber isn't all that wide, so if what people keep saying is true about bullets being effective than some part of the shotgun shot would have made it through.

 

Either that or Jedi can telekentically pull little balls of lead into their lightsaber, which is actually even more impressive. Or they could just cover the entire shot before they are even hit, or the lightsaber vaporizes metal on contact into nothing, not that this isn't also shown by Mace Windu in the Shatterpoint novel(which debunks the whole bullets being more effective against Jedi argument people like to throw around). Either way...the shotgun did nothing to his body, only the lightsaber.

 

Anyway we're treading off topic here, so I'll just leave this be.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Wolfninjajedi

[adormitul]

Yet he shot at Bolla as he said that. No matter which way you look at it, the shotgun was ineffective in doing any damage to Bolla despite it being a shotgun blast, the blade of a lightsaber isn't all that wide, so if what people keep saying is true about bullets being effective than some part of the shotgun shot would have made it through.

 

Either that or Jedi can telekentically pull little balls of lead into their lightsaber, which is actually even more impressive. Or they could just cover the entire shot before they are even hit, or the lightsaber vaporizes metal on contact into nothing. Either way...the shotgun did nothing to his body, only the lightsaber.

 

What can I do to explain it to you you see in the second picture that is head his should where at the hilt. Cade Bane shoot at the beam the bullets went pasts the jedi master because Cade Bane shoot at the beam the body was was the hilt the bullets pasts the jedi master because Cade Bane shoot at the beam the body was was the hilt the bullets pasts the jedi master because Cade Bane shoot at the beam the body was was the hilt the bullets pasts the jedi master because Cade Bane shoot at the beam the body was was the hilt the bullets pasts the jedi master. Look at the second picture. He did not wanted to kill him he wanted to capture him in the first place why would he risk shooting at him?

Edited December 19, 2016 by adormitul

[Atromnis]

As someone who only plays one character (my Trooper), I am in full agreement. I was semi-okay with the idea of being a vessel for Valkorion, and even becoming force-sensitive because of it. It wasn't me that was force-sensitive, it was him just being a huge power source. Kind of like a potato lighting up a lightbulb. The weapon attunement quest was a little iffy, and I was starting to worry a little bit there toward the end, as I was making my weapon. I swore if it was a lightsaber, I would stop playing right then and there. The rest of the story went okay, but I have to say, during that final confrontation with Valkorion, I was SUPER pissed that they made me use a lightsaber.

 

I understand that it's a Star Wars story. I understand that it's their story to tell. But there's a reason I rolled Trooper, rather than any force-wielding class. In a Galaxy where you're fighting people who can move things with their mind and influence the outcome of conflicts with the wave of a hand, it takes a special kind of person to fight against that. It takes a special kind of person to grab a blaster, when he knows it will iikely be inefective against his foe, but he does it anyway. It takes a special kind of person to be able to face down a Sith as a regular man, and come out on top through sheer training and force of will. THAT was the person I wanted my character to be. But the story Deus-Exed that out of me.

 

I want you to take another gander at the "Hope" trailer. Jace exemplified my idea of what a Trooper should be capable of. He was able to stand toe-to-toe with Darth Malgus through sheer force of will. Imagine how that scenario would have gone if Valkorion was standing off to the side, and granted him deus-ex force powers. Now imagine Jace grabbing a lightsaber out of no-where and suddenly fighting Malgus with it. That's how Kotet felt to me.