Docthebutcher Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I dont know if this post has been made hard to go through all these posts so many in a week. As a old school Asian grinder player where drop rates are .003 to .0000002 and thats no BS Lineage 2 drop rates where inside. We welcomed the farmers and their massive bot trains to get us hard to get gear material to build a weapon...with that chance it would break on build ( that's coming next gear breaking for good ) I NEVER pvped much in Swtor just got to old for a puffed up digital chest...but thats all I have DONE . The guild I am only saw me pvp 2 or 3 times in the year I have been in it and Now i have over a hundred of matches inside a week. What I have never seen in a Asian grinder is to have to PVP or GSF ( not in any game i know of but thus one ) to get gear for PVE... Americans and Europeans I know from experience do not like Asian style grinders for to long. Your SUB rate will fall fast and I predicted EA doing this in one way or another. Every post i always put 2017 and that's the year it all happens. Yeah games end but EA tends to end them with BRUTE FORCE. I have played so many mmorpgs owned by EA and the on purpose screw it up.. When a MMORPG grows old or just doesn't grab people it does shut down it happens. But not even SWG shut down after all the screw ups of SONY it lasted until EA force it down. EA has really messed things up the guild I am are all really down and plugging hard at this non sense but most sound like me a doom and gloomier right now and the guild I am are some of the most upbeat players i have met in the game . GOOD GAME EA and you under minions BIOWARE I suggest those of you to put together grind trains and punch the PIG non stop but from what i HAVE read thats already been bet into the ground.... LEN 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsetso Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 While L2 grind was epic, all drop was not bound at all i think(though was broken after an overenchant attempt most probably) and the game was mostly pvp. And any gear you needed, your guild was able to help you grind it or buy it. And i know perfectly well how painful it was to level up there because i played mostly buffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagnarAugustus Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 5.0 makes me think of good ole East Asian grind gaming too. I swear that I'm playing Aion instead of SWTOR after this latest expansion and that's not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeristash Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I dont know if this post has been made hard to go through all these posts so many in a week. As a old school Asian grinder player where drop rates are .003 to .0000002 and thats no BS Lineage 2 drop rates where inside. We welcomed the farmers and their massive bot trains to get us hard to get gear material to build a weapon...with that chance it would break on build ( that's coming next gear breaking for good ) I NEVER pvped much in Swtor just got to old for a puffed up digital chest...but thats all I have DONE . The guild I am only saw me pvp 2 or 3 times in the year I have been in it and Now i have over a hundred of matches inside a week. What I have never seen in a Asian grinder is to have to PVP or GSF ( not in any game i know of but thus one ) to get gear for PVE... Americans and Europeans I know from experience do not like Asian style grinders for to long. Your SUB rate will fall fast and I predicted EA doing this in one way or another. Every post i always put 2017 and that's the year it all happens. Yeah games end but EA tends to end them with BRUTE FORCE. I have played so many mmorpgs owned by EA and the on purpose screw it up.. When a MMORPG grows old or just doesn't grab people it does shut down it happens. But not even SWG shut down after all the screw ups of SONY it lasted until EA force it down. EA has really messed things up the guild I am are all really down and plugging hard at this non sense but most sound like me a doom and gloomier right now and the guild I am are some of the most upbeat players i have met in the game . GOOD GAME EA and you under minions BIOWARE I suggest those of you to put together grind trains and punch the PIG non stop but from what i HAVE read thats already been bet into the ground.... LEN 2017 Of course. It takes too much time away from playing fashionista, flexing their level cap at the fledglings in starting zone or being lambasted for not having a remote understanding of 'rotation' besides hit 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShardODarkness Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Of course. It takes too much time away from playing fashionista, flexing their level cap at the fledglings in starting zone or being lambasted for not having a remote understanding of 'rotation' besides hit 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and repeat. ROFL...you nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsetso Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 5.0 makes me think of good ole East Asian grind gaming too. I swear that I'm playing Aion instead of SWTOR after this latest expansion and that's not a good thing. Lol, i played the cb1 of revelation online and the rep grind there seemed enjoyable compared to the cxp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newyankalt Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Runescape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) 5.0 makes me think of good ole East Asian grind gaming too. I swear that I'm playing Aion instead of SWTOR after this latest expansion and that's not a good thing. Nothing like Aion really. Aion was a grind fest from day one of launch, level one roll your first character. Worse, it was perpetually over-run with bots that grossly interfered with people just trying to level through a zone. SWTOR is such that you almost never grind until level cap. Even then.. at level cap.. it's ALWAYS a gear grind of some form or another, which is fairly normal for MMOs. It's just that people are conditioned now days to want BiS gear in a few weeks of focused effort rather then older more traditional paces in western MMOs that are NOT Korean grinders. That said... GC and it's exp curves and sources DO need some rework: 1) First thing they need to do is to put in vendors that will flat out sell you the desired slot item(s) you want once you pass a particular GC level. If they are smart, they would do this in the form of incremental stepping stones through GC levels..much like how crafters can first make boots/bracers, followed by gloves, boots, etc. That way, if you gain them from crates, great. If not, then the player can still see a predictable point in effort and time where they are guaranteed to have their BiS set pieces. 2) Next, they need a catch up mechanism for alts.. where they either earn Cxp at an accelerated rate or some other mechanism that effectively gives an alt a full solution with about 10% of the effort of your first character. 3) They also need to install weekly caps for each main segment of content, elites, champions, heroics, Ops, PvP, etc such that you can grind, but if you over grind you cap out for that week and either wait for the reset, or move to different content. The caps need to be reasonably high so that an average player does not hit them easily. They also need a global cap on top of that to sever damage via exploits. 4) they need to completely remove the need for stat based gear in PvP. PvP is about player on player skill and competition, without advantages for time served and gear gained. GC in 5.0 is a good concept poorly deployed, but certainly fixable. Edited December 5, 2016 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) While L2 grind was epic, all drop was not bound at all i think(though was broken after an overenchant attempt most probably) and the game was mostly pvp. And any gear you needed, your guild was able to help you grind it or buy it. And i know perfectly well how painful it was to level up there because i played mostly buffers. This game has nothing on the Lineage 2 grind. The people crying here would commit suicide if they had to level a character in that game. I did, several times, which is why this cxp "grind" doesn't really bother me. Edited December 5, 2016 by Vember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhsknudsen Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't mind grinding. I mind being unable to control what I actually grind for. If it takes me a week to earn enough warzone commendations (or whatever for PvE) to be able to buy 1 certain piece it doesn't bother me. If I lose a roll on that the boss it doesn't bother me. But this is just no-aim grinding, I don't feel rewarded for a piece of gear. Especially not when I grinded for 1 month to get some set bonus pieces and the other guy got it in less than 2 days. I feel cheated, but never rewarded. If we both had to put in the same amount of effort then it would be a reward. But as it stands now, it will never be a reward, just like winning the lottery isn't a reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsetso Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 This game has nothing on the Lineage 2 grind. The people crying here would commit suicide if they had to level a character in that game. I did, several times, which is why this cxp "grind" doesn't really bother me. Yes, most of the people that would enjoy that playstyle have already left the game during the first 3-4 months after launch. Which makes it strange that the devs are trying to impose it on the playerbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadessaWayland Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 SWTOR is stile very newbie about RNG you must try black desert online the RNG is hardcore and you wish you never buy that game try to get + 15 is already a hell with many fails and the duration off you weapon will drop to and am not talking about to get to PRI DUO and TET those stones cost more then 2 mil ea you will QQ realy how many times you fail ore try to get good fail stacks and hope for the best so for me the RNG is not so bad here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swtorevolution Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) This Lineage 2 sounds like my kind of game. Edited December 5, 2016 by Swtorevolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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