5.0 Bolster INFO so far for t1 (DPS/HEALS)

[kissingaiur]

I am looking for someone who can give me a stat comparison (healer or dps) between 208 and 240 relic. If you have both of them and have time to pass me along some data, please send me a PM.

 

I want to see if relics with bolster progressively get worse after 234 relics.

 

Thanks!

[Lotsanerv]

I am looking for someone who can give me a stat comparison (healer or dps) between 208 and 240 relic. If you have both of them and have time to pass me along some data, please send me a PM.

 

I want to see if relics with bolster progressively get worse after 234 relics.

 

Thanks!

 

Have you seen a 240 that procs in pvp area?

[adayamothrawn]

Could you maybe comment on Accuracy in PVP, specifically for sorcs? There's been some debate whether it's feasible, or not.

[kissingaiur]

Have you seen a 240 that procs in pvp area?

 

No I have not. I have yet to even see a 240 relic.

Edited January 4, 2017 by kissingaiur

[kissingaiur]

Could you maybe comment on Accuracy in PVP, specifically for sorcs? There's been some debate whether it's feasible, or not.

 

Sorc dps has 0 white damage therefore you have no use for Accuracy in PvP. You don't need to run any!

[Tsetso]

Sorc dps has 0 white damage therefore you have no use for Accuracy in PvP. You don't need to run any!

 

Haha, I've seen enough sorcs going in melee and using saber strike so there's that.

[kissingaiur]

Haha, I've seen enough sorcs going in melee and using saber strike so there's that.

 

I'm sad I missed such superior game play.

[Tsetso]

I'm sad I missed such superior game play.

 

Don't tell me that you haven't even seen the RP walk

[adayamothrawn]

Sorc dps has 0 white damage therefore you have no use for Accuracy in PvP. You don't need to run any!

 

Thank you kindly.

 

Also, with regards to bolstering and stuff: It's better to run a mix, but full set of 230-set + 204-set than not having a full set?

Sorry if it's kind of obvious to everyone else, still trying to scratch the outer layer ...

[kissingaiur]

Thank you kindly.

 

Also, with regards to bolstering and stuff: It's better to run a mix, but full set of 230-set + 204-set than not having a full set?

Sorry if it's kind of obvious to everyone else, still trying to scratch the outer layer ...

 

Do you mean 208 gear vs 230? If so, 208 bolster well. You can look at the bolster tldr section for exact details. 230 if they are purple are a slight upgrade or comparable with 208 gear. If you are wearing anything worse than 208 I would assume everything 230 would be better but I haven't tested bolster on gear under 208 gear rating to confirm.

[Lhancelot]

Do you mean 208 gear vs 230? If so, 208 bolster well. You can look at the bolster tldr section for exact details. 230 if they are purple are a slight upgrade or comparable with 208 gear. If you are wearing anything worse than 208 I would assume everything 230 would be better but I haven't tested bolster on gear under 208 gear rating to confirm.

 

I found my 208s bolstered slightly, ever so slightly better than the 230 purples. Now, I am not sure if you equip multiple purples if somehow bolster then pushes the purples up to being better.

 

If this is the case, I have no time in messing with purple 230s it's not worth the effort imo. If I stick one purple 230 on, it should bolster better not worse than my old 208s no matter how many I have on imo.

 

Seeing that "tier 2" is at GC 91 from what people tell me, basically I need to wear my 208s till i reach that GC level.

 

This is total crap and totally uninspiring. No one wants to grind for months on a toon, to finally get some sort of upgrade to their gears via pvp.

 

RNG is not the way to go when people like to gear their characters in a structured manner and that's all this is, it's a very unstructured gearing system that leaves you feeling more frustrated than happy when trying to progressively gear a toon.

[kissingaiur]

I found my 208s bolstered slightly, ever so slightly better than the 230 purples. Now, I am not sure if you equip multiple purples if somehow bolster then pushes the purples up to being better.

 

If this is the case, I have no time in messing with purple 230s it's not worth the effort imo. If I stick one purple 230 on, it should bolster better not worse than my old 208s no matter how many I have on imo.

 

Seeing that "tier 2" is at GC 91 from what people tell me, basically I need to wear my 208s till i reach that GC level.

 

This is total crap and totally uninspiring. No one wants to grind for months on a toon, to finally get some sort of upgrade to their gears via pvp.

 

RNG is not the way to go when people like to gear their characters in a structured manner and that's all this is, it's a very unstructured gearing system that leaves you feeling more frustrated than happy when trying to progressively gear a toon.

 

230 are slightly better or the same as 208. 230 vs 208 sometimes it's hard to tell because a lot of it has to do with stat conversion from tertsery to power/mastery. For sure though mods/armorings are static increase from the 208, full 230 enhancements are better only in a full set and 230 barrel/hilt are a huge increase over 208. I found ear/implants almost exactly the same.

 

230 are roughly better on paper but the difference is only by a slight amount in the end which is hardly notiable. That's why it's better to just wait to gear for t2 or buy t2+.

[stoopicus]

What she said - and likewise regarding tank builds, even 228 armorings bolster better than 208s as you get the raw armor points and DR increase with them, even bolstered. I saw over a 2% DR increase doing that, which is huge.

[kissingaiur]

208 vs 230 vs 234 vs 236 relics

 

 

234 purple relics vs. 236 relic

 

(+1 234 purple relic NO AUG, +1 208 purple relic AUGED)

Mastery: 7379

Endurance: 8819

Power: 3958

Critical: 2244

Alacrity: 1733

Bonus Damage: 3441.6

Bonus Healing: 2483.1

PROC: 1008 Mastery

 

+236 relic NO AUG

Mastery: 7371 (-8)

Endurance: 8819 (+3)

Power: 3958 (+3)

Critical: 2246 (+2)

Alacrity: 1733 SAME

Bonus Damage: 3440.5

Bonus Healing: 2482.4

PROC: 1046 Mastery +12* Average

 

 

 

 

 

 

208 vs 236 (Put in a 208 took out 236)

Mastery: 7479 (+108)

Endurance: 8874 (+55)

Power: 3958 SAME

Critical: 2202 (-44)

Alacrity: 1733 SAME

Bonus Damage: 3462.5

Bonus Healing: 2497.8

PROC: 884 Mastery -49* Average

 

-91 Loss in stats~

 

(93/108 = 86%)

(44/93 = 47%)

 

(230 no augs)

Mastery: 7736 (-9)

Endurance: 9070 (-23)

Power: 4552 SAME

Critical: 2149 (+48)

Alacrity: 287 SAME

Bonus Damage: 3627.9 (-1.8)

Bonus Healing: 2617.9 (-1.2)

Proc: 998 Master/Power +20 * ~.33 = 6.67

 

(230 NO AUG)

-83 mastery

-31 endurance

+41 crit

+~33 proc

 

(74/83 = 89%)

(41/74 = 55%)

 

 

 

Conclusion: 208 ~ 230 > 236 > 234. 236 similar to 230 in that they lose a similar amount of stat when you use them over a 208 but like the 230 the stat is in crit/proc verse power mastery. There is still some weird stuff going in stat gain/loss between the different relic tiers.

Edited January 6, 2017 by kissingaiur

[Qwurdilu]

208 vs. 230 replaced one relic (Doc testing since I don’t have a 230)

 

(208 base no augs)

Mastery: 7745

Endurance: 9093

Power: 4552

Critical: 2101

Alacrity: 287

Bonus Damage: 3629.7

Bonus Healing: 2619.1

Proc: 978 Master/Power

 

(230 no augs)

Mastery: 7736 (-9)

Endurance: 9070 (-23)

Power: 4552 SAME

Critical: 2149 (+48)

Alacrity: 287 SAME

Bonus Damage: 3627.9 (-1.8)

Bonus Healing: 2617.9 (-1.2)

Proc: 998 Master/Power +20 * ~.33 = 6.67io

 

 

looks like he accidently used 228 instead of 208? 208 only gives 882 procc.

 

Edit: its also worth to note that different speccs have a different chance of relic proccs. Dot/hot speccs can reliable procc them on 20sec while other classes need considerable longer.

 

 

Edit2: there are different 230 relics, mk-4 and mk-3 and they bolster differently.

 

Edit3: in dps specc it bolsters as follows for me:

 

230: Mainstat 8408 Crit 1798

208: Mainstat 8474 Crit 1812

 

so 208 gives me 80 more stats (mastery&crit)

 

230er procc is 111 higher.

 

On my dotspecc they procc every 20seconds, so 12/20 seconds youll have 111 stas more which is 66,6 all the time.

 

so its 80 compared to 66,6. 208 relics are considerable better.

 

However this is ALL about MK-3 relics, i dont know about MK-4

Edited January 6, 2017 by Qwurdilu

[yellow_]

looks like he accidently used 228 instead of 208? 208 only gives 882 procc.

Nah, she's just mistakenly posted the 228 numbers there. I have the 208 numbers in my post a few pages back. My conclusion is that 208s are possibly better than 230s (they give more total stat) but the 230s are at least sort of comparable to the 208s, unlike other relics we have tested. 228s and 234s, for example, are clearly worse.

 

Edit: its also worth to note that different speccs have a different chance of relic proccs. Dot/hot speccs can reliable procc them on 20sec while other classes need considerable longer.

We know. Calculations are ideal or nearly idea for the sake of consistency. We leave estimations about actual relic proc uptime (along with any theorycrafting about how being CC'd or leaving combat plays into such estimations) to people reading.

 

230: Mainstat 8408 Crit 1798

208: Mainstat 8474 Crit 1812

I am inclined to think something is missing or incorrect here. I've never seen a 208 relic result in a higher crit value in comparison to the "bis" relics from 230, 234, etc. Can you fully explain the scenario here? Is this one relic or two? What kind? What is the augment situation? Is it consistent? Can we see all the stats?

 

 

so its 80 compared to 66,6. 208 relics are considerable better.

Again, unless bolster is behaving much differently for you (which certainly wouldn't surprise me), I think something is up here. Gaining crit when you go back to a 208 relic is not normal based on what hottie and I have seen. And your math is correct on the relic procs.

Edited January 6, 2017 by yellow_

[Qwurdilu]

I replaced a mainstat aug with crit and a crit crystal with mainstat (because thats were i want to be crit wise), so sorry for the confusion there.

 

I did so because i assume each stats are equally important since i still have a lot of mainstat augs

Edited January 6, 2017 by Qwurdilu

[yellow_]

I replaced a mainstat aug with crit and a crit crystal with mainstat (because thats were i want to be crit wise), so sorry for the confusion there.

 

I did so because i assume each stats are equally important since i still have a lot of mainstat augs

 

OK, I figured some augment changes were at work but didn't want to assume anything (I don't assume anything when it comes to bolster anymore).

[Qwurdilu]

I don't assume anything when it comes to bolster anymore

 

 

 

Theres different relics on 230 with mk-3 and mk-4, do we know if there are different relics for 236 aswell?

[kissingaiur]

 

 

Theres different relics on 230 with mk-3 and mk-4, do we know if there are different relics for 236 aswell?

 

From what I have seen is MK-4s are the relics that you can get from crafting. They are either ones you cannot be used in PvP or ones you can use in pvp, having more end but NO crit rating. Therefore, I would guess they probably significantly worse than the purple relics you find in your crates. You need the crit rating + better proc to make the relics even close to being comparable with the 208s.

Edited January 7, 2017 by kissingaiur

[kissingaiur]

234 barrels vs. 240 barrels

 

 

(x2 234 barrels)

Mastery: 7423

Endurance: 8905

Power: 3958

Critical: 2202

Alacrity: 1829

Bonus Damage: 3450.8

Bonus Healing: 2489.6

 

(x1 234 barrel, x1 240 barrel)

Mastery: 7426 (+2)

Endurance: 8899 (-6)

Power: 3951 (-7)

Critical: 2202 (-6)

Alacrity: 1829 (-4)

Bonus Damage: 3498.1 (+47.3)

Bonus Healing: 2524.6 (+35)

 

(x2 240 barrel)

Mastery: 7428 (+2)

Endurance: 8892 (-7)

Power: 3944 (-7)

Critical: 2190 (-12)

Alacrity: 1821 (-8)

Bonus Damage: 3545.4 (+47.3)

Bonus Healing: 2559.5 (+35)

 

 

 

 

Conclusion: 240 > 234 barrels. Barrels/hilts are going to be the biggest DPS/HPS increase you can get from gearing.

Edited January 7, 2017 by kissingaiur

[jedcjedcjedc]

I assume with expertise gone we can now use whatever crystals we want? so as a merc healer I should switch to double crit crystals, no?

[kissingaiur]

I assume with expertise gone we can now use whatever crystals we want? so as a merc healer I should switch to double crit crystals, no?

 

Yes. Expertise stat crystals have been converted to Mastery. If your a healer I would go crit crystals.

[kissingaiur]

208 crit implant vs Lokath MK-4 Adept Package (240 crafted purple implant)

 

 

(1 208 crit implant)

Mastery: 7483

Endurance: 8861

Power: 3944

Critical: 2190

Alacrity: 1725

Bonus Damage: 3557.1

Bonus Healing: 2567.7

 

(+1 240 crit implant)

Mastery: 7515 (+32)

Endurance: 8868 (+7)

Power: 3924 (-20)

Critical: 2208 (+18)

Alacrity: 1685 (-40)

Bonus Damage: 3558.9

Bonus Healing: 2568.7

 

 

Conclusion: 208 > 240 crafted impacts. Basically anything high END crafted is garbo.

 

I seriously pity anyone entering this game to pvp without having a set of 208s.

Edited January 7, 2017 by kissingaiur

[Thaladan]

so,

 

only barrels 230+ and best augments are better than old pvp 208 in pvp with bolster, for now?