Forren-Midosea Posted December 3, 2016 Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) Yaaaaaaa, right. Im doing kp. First boss dropped tiny command experiense pack. 120 points. FIVE TIMES LESS THAN A WARZONE THAT LAST PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TIME. THX MUSCO, we all love you. Edited December 3, 2016 by Forren-Midosea
Forren-Midosea Posted December 3, 2016 Author Posted December 3, 2016 Not to mentioning that to grind to lvl 300 with one too, i will have to spend a half a year working on it 8h a day. ONE SINGLE CHARACTER. Now i have 7 characters that i play. Maybe its time that BW will hire as professional grinder and pay me for it, instead of me paying for sub.
Forren-Midosea Posted December 3, 2016 Author Posted December 3, 2016 I dont think that nims will give me 10k per whole op. more like 4-5. That is 7 to 8 warzones. LOST warzones. I will gain twice as much xp. 100% sure xp doing warzones while doing nims. Besides, how can i do nims now, when i cant even collect 230 gear in short term like a month or two. i have 32 lvl overall on my tooms. Got only 3 items. THREE!
GhOsTPrOz Posted December 3, 2016 Posted December 3, 2016 I dont think that nims will give me 10k per whole op. more like 4-5. That is 7 to 8 warzones. LOST warzones. I will gain twice as much xp. 100% sure xp doing warzones while doing nims. Besides, how can i do nims now, when i cant even collect 230 gear in short term like a month or two. i have 32 lvl overall on my tooms. Got only 3 items. THREE! First of all, if you include all the bosses in an op, as well as all the adds it's a lot of cxp. Secondly we have downed a few NiM bosses already, they give 900 cxp per, assuming your not terrible and you can do math, operations are probably close to if not the best way. Next time before you come raging on the forums like a 10 year old, think a bit or ask questions.
Forren-Midosea Posted December 3, 2016 Author Posted December 3, 2016 So lets do the math. Doing df nim with 5 bosses will give you 4.5k from bosses themselfs. + from adds its like a bit above 5k of cmxp. How long it can take? well usually an hour and a half. Nims are often very wipy. Now lest do a warzones. In rush server hours warzones pop like mad. Doing them takes 5m each avrage. wait time, load time etc are usually 1m if you dont stare at unnecessary numbers in summary table. 6m per each warzone. you can do 10 warzones in one hour. That will give you 6k of xp per hour. 9k in 1.5h. Nearly twice as much as nim raids. Thx but i know what im saying. If you are blind, not my fault.
Deaconik Posted December 3, 2016 Posted December 3, 2016 So lets do the math. Doing df nim with 5 bosses will give you 4.5k from bosses themselfs. + from adds its like a bit above 5k of cmxp. How long it can take? well usually an hour and a half. Nims are often very wipy. Now lest do a warzones. In rush server hours warzones pop like mad. Doing them takes 5m each avrage. wait time, load time etc are usually 1m if you dont stare at unnecessary numbers in summary table. 6m per each warzone. you can do 10 warzones in one hour. That will give you 6k of xp per hour. 9k in 1.5h. Nearly twice as much as nim raids. Thx but i know what im saying. If you are blind, not my fault. Don't forget ranked gives you much more and you can just stand there and be AFK. While you actrually have to play in the Operation... ANd there's no lock on WZ content.
TBDNicodemus Posted December 3, 2016 Posted December 3, 2016 Don't forget ranked gives you much more and you can just stand there and be AFK. While you actrually have to play in the Operation... ANd there's no lock on WZ content. That's it where is my pitch fork... its funny cause the PvP forms are saying its not fair that PvErs can afk in PvP and then do PvE and get more GCXP then they can... cause they don't want to PvE. lol life is so hard. I was told by someone that only PvEs that they join PvP now for the xp while they craft... super fair. Perhaps PvP gains should be based on getting max medals to unlock receiving and have it as much as a HM/NIM op? then it would be fair to everyone.
Deldra Posted December 3, 2016 Posted December 3, 2016 First of all, if you include all the bosses in an op, as well as all the adds it's a lot of cxp. Secondly we have downed a few NiM bosses already, they give 900 cxp per, assuming your not terrible and you can do math, operations are probably close to if not the best way. Next time before you come raging on the forums like a 10 year old, think a bit or ask questions. As said by you first replier, pvp actually gives about the same amount depending on the procs you get (arenas or long warzones like civil war). ALSO, for NIM content, we actually need to gear up first, and having a 8-man group capable and geared for clearing NiM ops is not going to be anytime soon... It's really unlogical to argue that you need to do NiM ops if you want to gear up as fast as going into warzones, knowing that you actually need to gear up BEFORE going into NiM.
Tsetso Posted December 3, 2016 Posted December 3, 2016 Nightmare Operations give the highest CXP. If you can do NiMs you don't need CXP
GhOsTPrOz Posted December 4, 2016 Posted December 4, 2016 As said by you first replier, pvp actually gives about the same amount depending on the procs you get (arenas or long warzones like civil war). ALSO, for NIM content, we actually need to gear up first, and having a 8-man group capable and geared for clearing NiM ops is not going to be anytime soon... It's really unlogical to argue that you need to do NiM ops if you want to gear up as fast as going into warzones, knowing that you actually need to gear up BEFORE going into NiM. There's a group on harb that already made it 6/7 NIM SNV, we have downed a boss or two in our 224s in my guild. IT isn't that hard tbh, the thing holding us back was healers being unable to meet heal checks in their 224s
ipoopedonu Posted December 4, 2016 Posted December 4, 2016 As said by you first replier, pvp actually gives about the same amount depending on the procs you get (arenas or long warzones like civil war). ALSO, for NIM content, we actually need to gear up first, and having a 8-man group capable and geared for clearing NiM ops is not going to be anytime soon... It's really unlogical to argue that you need to do NiM ops if you want to gear up as fast as going into warzones, knowing that you actually need to gear up BEFORE going into NiM. https://www.twitch.tv/funkyphillip/v/105225261 < Nightma- i mean Master mode Dread Council kill. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
xkcurtisx Posted December 4, 2016 Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) First of all NIM ops is not spammable, they have lockout. There is only five of them. Lets say each gives a generous 7k so thats 35k Cxp in total. Then you need to move on to another toon. And that is just Cancer. With the nerf of Cxp on adds its hardly worth even touching them anymore, yet they are there as obstacles. PVP however is spammable, and if you are smart you do ranked. A ranked pvp match even if don't do squat grants you a bare minimum of 600 Cpx, if you win it can grant up to 800 Cxp. On TRE which is a fairly populated server i did not need to wait for more than 2-3 minutes for a pop. Lets say it takes about 10 minutes to do a single match (and here im being really generous cos its usually over in less than 5 given it's a no healer game) So that would put us at 13 minutes per Ranked warzone. The active time for ranked warzones on TRE right now is pretty much from Noon all the way to 3am. That is a 15 hour time frame per day. Now lets pretend that you can only play say 2 hours a day. Thats 120 divided by 13 minutes which equals to 18 ranked warzones. Say you lost all your games. Now you have 18 times 600 which would net 10.8k. So let's assume we can only do this 3 days of the week and only for 2 hours each. So 6 hours in total which would grant us 32.4k Cxp. So, first of all it is highly unlikely that you will complete 5 NIMs in the same time frame. And if anything goes wrong you get squat. In Rpvp you are rewarded even if you do absolutely nothing. Also remember the part about lockouts? Once you did all 5 Ops there is nothing CXP efficient on the ops front that you can do. But u can spam rpvp as much as you wish. Also imagine if you have more than 2 hours a day and all u do is ranked.... Edited December 4, 2016 by Xcurtx
majopucik Posted December 4, 2016 Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) Yes, NiM gives the most, but the time it takes and all the fuzz around it and the lockouts. Just spam ranked!! Edited December 5, 2016 by majopucik
Bonzenaattori Posted December 4, 2016 Posted December 4, 2016 You'd think that killing the actual BOSS themself (ie. a "high priority target") would give you an abundance of CXP for just killing them.... NOPE! 100% waste of time
Threjyan Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 i really hope they adress the amount of cxp one gets from nim or even hm ops. ok maybe not kp and EV cause they are faceroll, but even so, its obvious its unbalenced. unless they wanted to increase the amount of players doing RPvP
Biscuitt Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 HM EV and HM KP are just as easy as being a noob who queued for Ranked PVP, lose fast, and get 600 CXP. The CXP rewards need to be greatly increased for ALL operations and all levels. When you factor in the time it takes to get a group together, with the right roles, and the lockouts - not to mention HM/NiM ops require a much higher skill tier than being bad a queuing for any PVP. You don't get rewarded in an Operation unless you WIN. And lets keep in mind that some of the best CXP in operations is locked behind higher gear requirements now. No one on fleet is looking to put raids together anymore, except for farm adds in DP or KP. Because it's not worth your time to go and kill the bosses.
theedgecrushr Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 Nim ops are impossible for 99% of raiders atm. HMs other then kp and ev are not possible for probably 80% of raiders atm with the current gear. So your looking at the meager cxp from 9 ops. this needs to change.
HomerMorisson Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 Couple of days ago I did S&V SM 16 player with my old guild... we didn't exploit anything, didn't farm anything, just did the OP as usual and without any special consideration to CXP or whuteva. I went in Command Rank 17 and came out Command Rank 19.5... this was by far the most CXP I had ever gotten from one single activitiy, and that was a day that didn't have the CXP Bonus for OPS.
theedgecrushr Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 SnV is a long op with a lot of trash and 2 money bosses. before the nerf on golds you could do that. The other point would be is that I ran through it in HM and didn't fair any better.
HomerMorisson Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 SnV is a long op with a lot of trash and 2 money bosses. before the nerf on golds you could do that. The other point would be is that I ran through it in HM and didn't fair any better. Yeah, that's true... and I am still royally pissed about the fact that they nerfed gold mobs from 10 to 1 -- fix the individual exploits some players used, finally ban players running bots and bot-like macros, instead of ruining something for all of us just because some few got greedy. But I guess that would require much more work and cost much more resources than simply nerfing the hell out of an at least somewhat sound concept.
Theshadowbehind Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Is there even any guilds left doing NiM operations? I doubt that the is any semi hardcore raiding guild left, that is still bothering, but I can be wrong ofcourse. Edited December 5, 2016 by Theshadowbehind
HomerMorisson Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Is there even any guilds left doing NiM operations? I doubt that the is any semi hardcore raiding guild left, that is still bothering, but I can be wrong ofcourse. Currently NiM raiding is pretty much impossible to do for any guild, no matter how progress-oriented they are... all OPS have been scaled up to level 70, i.e. NiM OPS will require everyone to be at least fully 234 geared, realistically tho rather even better than that... and aside from some heavy exploit users, there simply aren't any players high enough in the command system to sport a full 234 or better set yet. The formerly BiS 224 gear simply doesn't cut it anymore for NiM. Edited December 5, 2016 by HomerMorisson
nwhaxyz Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) And what is the point of playing the same content over and over again, just because they've resetted the gear for the n-th time? Might as well run bots for the gear grind ... Edited December 5, 2016 by nwhaxyz
majopucik Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Nim ops are impossible for 99% of raiders atm. HMs other then kp and ev are not possible for probably 80% of raiders atm with the current gear. So your looking at the meager cxp from 9 ops. this needs to change. NiM is very possible due to the bugged reflect abilities from the classes! Its actually easier than before!
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