josephinec Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 What issue? Vitiate clearly tells you why he acts the way he does towards his children, Vaylin was too dangerous in potential to simply let roam free of restraints, and he wanted to push his sons to fight for his approval to both amuse himself and be left with the stronger of the two. He didn't lock Vaylin up to "teach her control" or to quote him, "make her safe". As Vaylin says in light side Chapter 9, he was afraid she'd rise above him. Think about it. If she hadn't been locked up, she would have risen to challenge him, like Arcann did, but probably would have been more successful. Vitiate fears death and not being the most powerful being in the galaxy. That's why he tries to take control of the player character in Chapter 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) He didn't lock Vaylin up to "teach her control" or to quote him, "make her safe". As Vaylin says in light side Chapter 9, he was afraid she'd rise above him. Think about it. If she hadn't been locked up, she would have risen to challenge him, like Arcann did, but probably would have been more successful. Vitiate fears death and not being the most powerful being in the galaxy. That's why he tries to take control of the player character in Chapter 9. Vaylin is hardly an unbiased appraiser of her own power. Honestly it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Vaylin to be alive if Valkorion was really afraid of her. Even if she could surpass him, he had many opportunities to destroy her before that. If the Outlander asks why he kept her alive, he basically answers that it was sentiment. Which makes no sense as an answer from Valkorion, but especially from Vitiate. Edited January 8, 2017 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishpeople Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Maybe his plan was to take over Vaylin before he latched onto the Outlander? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshlaBoga Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Maybe his plan was to take over Vaylin before he latched onto the Outlander? He's certainly evil enough to have children only for the sake of possessing their bodies. Violating his own daughter for a century or two seems like quintessential Tenebrae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) But why would an already immortal being care about that? Edited January 9, 2017 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NayntaLot Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 His hosts' bodies could still die. It's possible Vaylin would have been his next host if Arcann and Thexan screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 But then what difference would it make getting a new host? That one could also potentially die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codedrago Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 But why would an already immortal being care about that? His whole plan with the Outlander was to make them his new vessel, he seeks vessels out of both amusement and fear of death (As Marr mentions), but he can't just use any random body; he needs a body that can handle him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) His whole plan with the Outlander was to make them his new vessel, he seeks vessels out of both amusement and fear of death (As Marr mentions), but he can't just use any random body; he needs a body that can handle him. How does taking one body as opposed to any other (like say, the one he already has) make him any safer from death? He appears only able to have one at a time now, all of a sudden. Edited January 10, 2017 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NayntaLot Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 How does taking one body as opposed to any other (like say, the one he already has) make him any safer from death? He appears to only be able to have one at a time all of a sudden now. Maybe his attention is just heavily focused on X individual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupeXnova Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Perhaps he kept several worthy people near him at all times in case death snuck up on his host. Going from some of his dialog it sounds like he doesn't care who the hosts are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UghkoffR Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) In the history of KOTOR/KOTFE/KOTET there is another character who used a similar knowledge of the dark side to make up for his vital energy and prolonging life. Darth Nihilus also stretched the life out of entire planets and the lore is an accurate indication of that after the ritual as a side effect of hunger, acting as a drug, requiring more and more. Eventually this led to the fact that Nihilus wandered from planet to planet, devouring worlds. Also, there is a precise indication that the priority for him was a force user, being marked by force, as they were more concentration of energy. We know that after Vitiate had its first ritual for Medriaas (Nathema) on the same fueled energy including from Revan a few hundred years. Hence, it is possible to avoid the fate like Darth Nihilus, Vitiate found out in the transition between bodies. After unknown Jedi X broke him on Dromund Kaas, he possessed in a very Force-sensitive beings. And by the way, now is not clear, we learned that the father Tenebrea was a pureblood Sith, just like his mother, but Vitiate is human, we know that Tenebrea in childhood had eyes are completely black and other things, Vitiate has a human. May Vitiate the body is the first body which possesed by Tenebrea. And children of Valkorion respectively were also human, without any references to the pureblood sith. In the dialogue Lord Scourge lifted a little the veil that feels immortal being after the ceremony. Immortal no feelings, no emotions, no taste, and all that is inherent in ordinary mortal being. That shows us Valkorion in the end, the epic phrase "The God has no family". That gives a clear understanding of what he thinks about all the other human and aliens.. What all the phrases which he talked about love, about feeling, ..is empty. Based on this, and there was actually a question, why Vaylin was isolated, not destroyed if it posed a threat in early childhood? And she is very Force-sensitive. Edited January 10, 2017 by UghkoffR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NayntaLot Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 The Sith guy (Valkorians father) says he's ruled Natham (or whatever it was called) 1000 years ago. So I think it's likely he had quite a few bodies since his original. Vaylin companion yet Bioware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishpeople Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 In the history of KOTOR/KOTFE/KOTET there is another character who used a similar knowledge of the dark side to make up for his vital energy and prolonging life. Darth Nihilus also stretched the life out of entire planets and the lore is an accurate indication of that after the ritual as a side effect of hunger, acting as a drug, requiring more and more. Eventually this led to the fact that Nihilus wandered from planet to planet, devouring worlds. Also, there is a precise indication that the priority for him was a force user, being marked by force, as they were more concentration of energy. We know that after Vitiate had its first ritual for Medriaas (Nathema) on the same fueled energy including from Revan a few hundred years. Hence, it is possible to avoid the fate like Darth Nihilus, Vitiate found out in the transition between bodies. After unknown Jedi X broke him on Dromund Kaas, he possessed in a very Force-sensitive beings. And by the way, now is not clear, we learned that the father Tenebrea was a pureblood Sith, just like his mother, but Vitiate is human, we know that Tenebrea in childhood had eyes are completely black and other things, Vitiate has a human. May Vitiate the body is the first body which possesed by Tenebrea. And children of Valkorion respectively were also human, without any references to the pureblood sith. In the dialogue Lord Scourge lifted a little the veil that feels immortal being after the ceremony. Immortal no feelings, no emotions, no taste, and all that is inherent in ordinary mortal being. That shows us Valkorion in the end, the epic phrase "The God has no family". That gives a clear understanding of what he thinks about all the other human and aliens.. What all the phrases which he talked about love, about feeling, ..is empty. Based on this, and there was actually a question, why Vaylin was isolated, not destroyed if it posed a threat in early childhood? And she is very Force-sensitive. He wanted to control Vaylin I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menofhorror Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 People please, Vailyn is just not a compelling character. "But she got better and Bioware focused more on her in KOTET." That doesn't make her any better. It actually worsened the KOTET story because Bioware Austin choose to focus on such a ****** character. I see no real arguments here that explain why they think Vailyn is a good or compelling character other than "Oh she was locked up" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishpeople Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 People please, Vailyn is just not a compelling character. "But she got better and Bioware focused more on her in KOTET." That doesn't make her any better. It actually worsened the KOTET story because Bioware Austin choose to focus on such a ****** character. I see no real arguments here that explain why they think Vailyn is a good or compelling character other than "Oh she was locked up" lol. So you did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UghkoffR Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 People please, Vailyn is just not a compelling character. "But she got better and Bioware focused more on her in KOTET." That doesn't make her any better. It actually worsened the KOTET story because Bioware Austin choose to focus on such a ****** character. I see no real arguments here that explain why they think Vailyn is a good or compelling character other than "Oh she was locked up" lol. We have most powerfull argument in this galaxy - WeWantVaylin... as companion, someone as love object, and someone for judgment :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NayntaLot Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 People please, Vailyn is just not a compelling character. "But she got better and Bioware focused more on her in KOTET." That doesn't make her any better. It actually worsened the KOTET story because Bioware Austin choose to focus on such a ****** character. I see no real arguments here that explain why they think Vailyn is a good or compelling character other than "Oh she was locked up" lol. She's a better character than some of those that appeared in past expansions. (Revan, Theron, Lana, Makeb Hutts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UghkoffR Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 She's a better character than some of those that appeared in past expansions. (Revan, Theron, Lana, Makeb Hutts) Not that she was the best compared to others, even at KOTFE we treated her very differently, as ordinary bad character. In KOTET first video was "Betrayed", and then the whole story overall, in which BW has managed to reveal character, motivation, and her attitude, her style, what things are peculiar only to her. And we loved her as a character. She is really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurj Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I like how they handled Vaylin just fine. I truly felt sorry for her, but the poor thing deserved to rest in peace after what Valkorion did to her. I don't see how there is a future she would want to be a part of after what she endured in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UghkoffR Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Perhaps the theory of the transmigration of Vitiate in Vaylin is the place to be. Yesterday, one person noticed that the immortal Emperor Valkorion subject to aging, which means after a while his body will become decrepit that a little bit differently shows immortality in his understanding. Immortality not of the body, but his spirit, which he can move to another body. Aging Valkorion can be viewed here seen how he looks at the twins, Valkorion more young, and during the time of KOTFE he is already gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogkiller Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 So... you know how in KotFE, Vaylin specialized in telekinesis, and seemed to be able to see glimpses of the future and see people through the force? In that way, she seemed much like a jedi sage. She also seemed to be biding her time for the perfect opportunity to do... something. I have no idea what it might be. Then KotET rolls along and she's not only gotten way more impatient, she's using lightning and seems to have lost much of her telekinetic and clairvoyant power. At first, I dismissed this as a retcon or a dropped subplot, but now I wonder if Vaylin tapped into an as-of-yet unaddressed way to use the force-- one that could potentially explain how dark jedi player characters can still use light-sided powers-- that she lost the ability to use when Arcann left her, thus making her more emotionally unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanrogers Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 In no way is this the case. In fact, I'm angry enough about it that I might skip KotET altogether; this crap may well not deserve to be played. moot point in my case I can't get passed the walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanrogers Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Well.. Are there any suggestions that you would add to KotET? and option to skip the walker fight and anything similar I am playing a role playing game nota first person shooter for a reason :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanrogers Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 And here people called me desperate and biased for wanting Arcann saved. You Vaylin people are no different. Well actually worse as Vaylin wants nothing to do with you, but you still try. And she's dead now, and then you still try. Her life was a tragedy what is wrong with wanting to change that? compared to her Arcann had it easy and got a happier eneding. another tragedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts