JessieLoverRxE Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 They aren't helping the game in any way, and neither is whoever actually buys their credits instead of purchasing CC's from BW and placing stuff from cm on gtn. Not to mention they're also mail spammers. Is BW doing anything about them yet? I'm just sorta guessing they're not, since I wouldn't get so much junk mail otherwise. How is this not against the rules??
Rankyn Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 It is against the rules and they are banned. HOWEVER, they're also like roaches and always come back. They will never be able to 100% stop them. Just report the spammers, ignore them, and then move on. That's the best you can do.
Elly_Dawn Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 unfortunately they always come back, the worst part is even though Bioware has cracked down on how they make their credits, limiting what they get credits from, there's those players that sell their in-game credits to them for real money... the RMTs then take the credits sold to them by players and sell it back to other players for more than what they paid for it... as long as players keep selling their in-game currency to RMTs they will not run out of resources and will continue to spam the players with their "sales"...
Alec_Fortescue Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 On the other hand if not for credit sellers you'd see much much less cartel market items on the GTN. ^^ Perhaps twice less akk dogs / probe droids. Can you imagine their prices then?
ShawDou Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 On the other hand if not for credit sellers you'd see much much less cartel market items on the GTN. ^^ Perhaps twice less akk dogs / probe droids. Can you imagine their prices then? On the other hand with less money in the economy (gold sellers add a lot money into economy) i dont think they would cost much more, since credit might have higher value
Rankyn Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 On the other hand with less money in the economy (gold sellers add a lot money into economy) i dont think they would cost much more, since credit might have higher value Credit sellers don't create money... they move existing money from person to person. The only way to actually create money is to do missions and collect/vendor loot.
Infernixx Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Credit sellers don't create money... they move existing money from person to person. The only way to actually create money is to do missions and collect/vendor loot. That's not entirely accurate. There are botting parties on places like Ord Mantell where botters kill the same mobs over and again for the credits. These same bots used to be all over various open-world planetary Heroic areas doing the same thing, but now it's not worth the effort except in a few places.
Rankyn Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) That's not entirely accurate. There are botting parties on places like Ord Mantell where botters kill the same mobs over and again for the credits. These same bots used to be all over various open-world planetary Heroic areas doing the same thing, but now it's not worth the effort except in a few places.But that's just a few bots using the existing system to create money. Yes, bots are out there but there aren't so many that the planets are overrun with them. In the grand scheme of things, "actual players" create infinitely more new money than bots. The point of my original reply, however, is that buying credits from a credit seller does not add money to the economy. It only moves existing money from one person to another. Edited November 30, 2015 by Rankyn
ShawDou Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) But that's just a few bots using the existing system to create money. Yes, bots are out there but there aren't so many that the planets are overrun with them. In the grand scheme of things, "actual players" create infinitely more new money than bots. The point of my original reply, however, is that buying credits from a credit seller does not add money to the economy. It only moves existing money from one person to another. Yes but where the selling credits come from? From people who farm them with purpose of selling them. So they add them into economy. If there was not demand for credits form credit sellers. People who farm them for sell would not exist = less credits in economy. Or you mean it is all from stolen credit cards and CC market items and so, as a lot of posts around suggest? Edited December 1, 2015 by ShawDou
Deyjarl Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Only way to really cut into them is if sellers AND buyers are banned. Get rid of their market, they'll leave.
Deyjarl Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 But that's just a few bots using the existing system to create money. There are more than a few of them, and they operate 24/7, and not just on Ord Mantell.
JessieLoverRxE Posted December 1, 2015 Author Posted December 1, 2015 Only way to really cut into them is if sellers AND buyers are banned. Get rid of their market, they'll leave. Credit buyers should definitely get punished too. I'm still not sure how banning credit sellers is actually a thing, since there's so many of them. Do they just create new accounts to advertise? Are they not/were they not subs? Since they gathered a mil to sell? Or, bought it and then re-sold it for more money? Are some even aware it's against the game's rules since - like I said - there's so much of credit selling spam everywhere??
Deyjarl Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Credit buyers should definitely get punished too. I'm still not sure how banning credit sellers is actually a thing, since there's so many of them. Do they just create new accounts to advertise? Yup, not hard with a F2P game. Edited December 10, 2015 by Deyjarl
NRieh Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) It is against the rules and they are banned. May be. Eventually. I've seen the same name with the same bloody message during my Ord Mantell recently. Reported several times. He was still active when I left. Banning the spammer should not take 4 hours+, really. That's not entirely accurate. There are botting parties on places like Ord Mantell where botters kill the same mobs over and again for the credits. From what I've seen, they just stand on the 'save spots' where savrips can't get to them and level up. They don't move and do the same rotation over and over again. Wait for resp, grenade, shoot, repeat. Note that there's no way to report the bot activity. I've seen a thread where people were trying to find a legal way to fight those on PvE servers, but there's little can be done about them. Like infecting during the raghoul event. Sometimes, if one is lucky enough, support reacts to the ticket and logs them off. Tldr - I don't have an impression that fighting bot-farmers and gold-sellers is on BW's top-priorities list. Chat allows posting barely masked\ unmasked URLs, slow reaction on the reports (if any) etc. Edited December 1, 2015 by NRieh
feylyndiira Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Ditto.....I've reported every stinking spammer e-mail that's hit my mailbox (and there have been a lot) and reported the two gold-spammers that were camped out by the Hutta mailbox on TEH for days on end. I come back a few days later...they're still there. And I know they're gold-spammers since I'd gotten spam mail from them multiple times (and reported it). It seemed as though they were pretty scarce for awhile and now they've ramped up again. I guess they need Xmas spending money.
HarleysRule Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Hard to ban credit sellers in a F2P game, unless you want to keep free/preferred players from using general chat and email. I've reported email spammers and have gotten an email from the same toon a week later. BioWare doesn't care. Even when they do get around to banning sellers, as soon as they're banned, they just make a new account.
Eaglezone Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Reporting them does nothing but leave you with a bunch of open tickets. Then when you actually have a bug or problem you cant open a real ticket that is my reason to stop reporting them.
dscount Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Yea.. that rock formation they level up and such is FUN to mess with them. Take a Shadow into that location and PULL the MOB's up to them and vanish out... BWAHAHAHA You would think BW would have "PATCHED" that area by now since they have been at that location for MONTHS. Now they can likely hit 60 with level sync.
CarpeSangrea Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Are these bots the reason why heroic spawn rates are so abysmal?
NRieh Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Hard to ban credit sellers in a F2P game, unless you want to keep free/preferred players from using general chat and email. Hard to ban the players violating the rules? Really? It's not about stopping the issue entirely, but some basics like filtering URLs\masked URLs and reacting to the reports seems like a good start to me.
Shayddow Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 <<Hard to ban credit sellers in a F2P game, unless you want to keep free/preferred players from using general chat>> There are 2 major things spammed by credit sellers. Chat and mail - so, do the following: CHAT: If they wanted to do so, they could hire someone to monitor chat. They'd basically just have to monitor starting worlds and fleet. And then anytime someone tried selling credits over chat - ban. Char deleted. And same goes for the mail spam from the credit sellers, although that would depend on reports from players. MAIL: Give people a way to filter their mail. <toggle on/off> So they'd continue to be able to get mail from 1. Game-sent <I.e. mission rewards/companions and stuff from SWTOR> 2. Their alts <legacy> 3. People they "friend". 4. People in their guild.
Storm-Cutter Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 ^ but then these spammers would be all over general chat like a rash. - There are also people using stolen credit cards to set up accounts - likely they buy CM items using fraudulently acquired money. then sell items to turn the credits into IRL "laundered" cash (by spamming) in order to fund people trafficking, drug running, organized crime and the like. If you buy from these people, you're probably only 1 or 2 steps removed from some of the worst criminal activity on the planet. - Think about that. If you need credits, buy CM packs from BW to sell - or spend a few hours earning it by just playing the game.
LeeLoou Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 The problem is not only people selling their in-game credits to the farmers, but hackers that take over accounts. I had my account hacked and they went in and emptied all my credits and sold all my armor and weapons, basically anything that could be sold they sold. I got most of the things back on my main but on several others I was not so lucky. Why they picked my account I don't know because they couldn't have gotten more than a million between all the characters combined but if they do it enough it adds up I guess. Also, it happened while I was on a several month break so they had to know my account had been inactive for a while. I still think its someone that works for ea/bioware otherwise how did they know my account was inactive and get my log in information and get past the security key?
MeNaCe-NZ Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Anyone else noticed the prices you get in the mail or on fleet have reduced by like 300% over the past month or less? Either credit supply has gone through the roof somehow ( botting etc. ) or demand is way down meaning possibly less people are playing now even after the supposed saviour of a buff to companions ... torstatus tends to support this trend as numbers aren't picking back up after the buff. It's funny that you can somewhat judge the health of an MMO by how much credits sellers are selling credits for.
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