Nommaz Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Those saying yay its challenging again, seriously what is challenging about 2h's (which are NOT end game)? This game has never been challenging at least outside of PvP (which is bad as well according to some) and ops, annoying, irritating, time consuming yes but not challenging. Challenge happens in real end game, having to cc an extra mob, or watch that you don't pull a pat is not challenging its common sense. The fact that before you were able to breeze though it and now you cant just makes it tedious and a grind, again not a challenge. So I ask you honestly, what challenge? I'd really like to know what you find challenging?
chantiris Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 The question was never whether or not it was challenging, post nerf the game was mindless. It required no input from players to complete story content. Hope that clears things up.
positronics Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 It's still mindless, it's just mindless and takes a lot more time.
chantiris Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 And yet people are still complaining about it being too hard. Lmao.
EightSided Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Those saying yay its challenging again, seriously what is challenging about 2h's (which are NOT end game)? This game has never been challenging at least outside of PvP (which is bad as well according to some) and ops, annoying, irritating, time consuming yes but not challenging. Challenge happens in real end game, having to cc an extra mob, or watch that you don't pull a pat is not challenging its common sense. The fact that before you were able to breeze though it and now you cant just makes it tedious and a grind, again not a challenge. So I ask you honestly, what challenge? I'd really like to know what you find challenging? Ummm, Yea. You haven't read anything about whats going down except for 'We like' or 'We hate it' have you. What you posted has nothing to do with what's actually gone down since yesterday...XD Might want to read a few threads and get updated.
Nommaz Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 If people (not all) see something as hard, they generally just don't do it, "its too hard" However if its seen as challenging they generally will, as they know how to "it was a challenge but I got it done" But in GAMES people don't want it hard, and few actually want it challenging, for proof of that look at the new hard core games that just fail, they just want to play, and this was what we had until Tuesday. The difference between now and before was that those that did want a challenge or hard stuff to bang their head against could have made one for themselves, now we don't have a choice. As I said before the nerf, people complain its too easy, so the difficulty is boosted and then the forums are flooded with people that just want to play complaining, this happens every single time, in every game that does it. Next what normally happens is we loose customers and it goes too far back the other way. But B/Ware are not know for reversing stupid decisions, so we shall see.
Nommaz Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 Ummm, Yea. You haven't read anything about whats going down except for 'We like' or 'We hate it' have you. What you posted has nothing to do with what's actually gone down since yesterday...XD Might want to read a few threads and get updated. How about you enlighten me as I specifically aimed it at a certain group of people and not everyone? Or did you miss the very first line where I stated the people I was targetting.
storm_maker Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 -snip Challenge happens in real end game, having to cc an extra mob, or watch that you don't pull a pat is not challenging its common sense. The fact that before you were able to breeze though it and now you cant just makes it tedious and a grind, again not a challenge. -snip- Might get flamed for this but the average, or below average SW:Tor play doesn't do this, and then some.
EightSided Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 How about you enlighten me as I specifically aimed it at a certain group of people and not everyone? Or did you miss the very first line where I stated the people I was targetting. It's not really about companions being nerfed. Or content really. Companions are the most notable effect, but not the root cause of what happened. It's about Biofail taking a total 180 from what they said about the solo game. It's about Erics companion nerf post coming AFTER data was leaked to players, less than 20 hours before the patch dropped. Its about their lack of response, their head in the sand attitude. Do you know its been 34 hours since the patch dropped and they STILL haven't fixed the download speeds? People have been downloading the patch for 34 hours! They say nothing, nada, zilch. There's a lot more going on than just companions. They're just the tip of the iceberg.
Nommaz Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 It's not really about companions being nerfed. Or content really. Companions are the most notable effect, but not the root cause of what happened. It's about Biofail taking a total 180 from what they said about the solo game. It's about Erics companion nerf post coming AFTER data was leaked to players, less than 20 hours before the patch dropped. Its about their lack of response, their head in the sand attitude. Do you know its been 34 hours since the patch dropped and they STILL haven't fixed the download speeds? People have been downloading the patch for 34 hours! They say nothing, nada, zilch. There's a lot more going on than just companions. They're just the tip of the iceberg. Thats what all the other threads are about, my thread right here is not about any that its asking why the people who are happy and now find it challenging do so.. I let my thoughts on all the other stuff on the appropriate threads. See this first bit right here: Those saying yay its challenging again, seriously what is challenging about 2h's (which are NOT end game)? Thats what the thread asked, not about all the other stuff.
positronics Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Nommaz, are you playing a tank? Try the high level H2s on a DPS thats not maxed out gear wise. Lemme know how it goes for you. This patch blows.
Nommaz Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 Nommaz, are you playing a tank? Try the high level H2s on a DPS thats not maxed out gear wise. Lemme know how it goes for you. This patch blows. I agree with you it does, and no I am not. I think you must have read my post wrong lol, check out the rest og my posts, I am right there with you.
Fuzzionlol Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 You know how they sometimes put people in different groups in math for example in school depending on their aptitude? The people that complained and said that it's finally challenging again are those who was in the lowest group and struggled, probably. Now they need to find a way to get over it, so they have become masochist and thinks that because they like making easy games grindier they can make up for all of that.
Kolbeinn Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 It only ever was about certain people not feeling like they were being cattered to, but now that they know they can do something others fail to they get to feel like special snowflakes. That's all it ever was about.
JamieKirby Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Well for me, i am not too fussed about challenge, i find it irrelevent, 9/10 the rewards NEVER equal the challenge, i am not against challenge, as long as the rewards match the challenge. For example, if we had the access to make instanced quests as challenging as we want and the rewards change to balance it out, you could give the heroic quest npcs 2x the health, 2x the damage or something like that as long as the rewards increase with the same multiplier. There is no point in challenge, if the rewards are little to no different then an easier setting, it is why i never play single player games on anything higher than the easiest setting (when there are choices) because the game is the same regardless, rewards are the same, so i don't see the point in it. Thats my opinion on challenge.
positronics Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) It only ever was about certain people not feeling like they were being cattered to, but now that they know they can do something others fail to they get to feel like special snowflakes. That's all it ever was about. Good analysis. SWTOR was never a hard game. Even the Ops fights are like 'stand here and not here, do this when it does this. Set your 1-0 rotation like this. Rinse/repeat' Wowzer! Mad skills there! So hard and challenging!! It's really about the people who obsessively spend hours a day for months feeling much better than the casual masses. That's why they're so happy with the nerf. And that's why BW will lose huge portions of its sub base. Servicing a dwindling and whiny grinder class, at the expense of its quieter casual masses. Edited November 19, 2015 by positronics
Kolbeinn Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 My only complaint about the whole situation is that the same people who are happy about the nerf are so entitled and deluded that they don't even realize it's because there's ten times as many "filthy casuals" as there are people like them playing this game and paying that TOR hasn't shut down yet. If they were the only players they'd number in the couple thousands, and this would have been dead and buried somewhere in ROTHC.
RogerApple Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Exactly Pro Nerf crowd is giddy with excitement trying to rub this in all our faces. I don't think they'll be acting the same way when people leave. You can't force people to group who don't want to. You can't force people to grind and not have fun on this game. You have options when playing a video game. Maybe this is why MMO's in general are dying. I know a bunch of people will unsub thanks to vocal minority.
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