denavin Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 It certainly may be a bit more challenging than before but you can complete them. The intent is that you can complete any [Heroic 2] with your Companion counting as one of the two. If you find this isn't true for any Heroics tomorrow, let us know. -eric Its not! Incase you missed it I'll repete it... It certainly may be a bit more challenging than before but you can complete them. The intent is that you can complete any [Heroic 2] with your Companion counting as one of the two. If you find this isn't true for any Heroics tomorrow, let us know. -eric Its NOT!
Jeronas Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Vote with your wallet and cancel your sub! I sure as hell did! As companions are about as useless as they are again before patch 4.0 ! This is typical Bioware balancing ********! They are completely useless at it and went way overboard again with the nerfs without even testing!! My companions now do about half the damage of my Jedi Guardian in tank spec + defense mods! Even when set to DPS role! A complete joke! Totally useless. Feel completely baited into resubbing. Finally enjoying the leveling experience again and then they pull this kind of **** on us a month later! Edited November 18, 2015 by Jeronas
Senkoau Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Same here there are some i can complete and some I can't. I know some of it is me still learning the game but when you walk into a heroic with no way to avoid agroing 4+ elite gold mobs + their support a companion at a lvl apropriate for that planet has no way of keeping up in terms of dps/heal. I know since I've been pouring companion gifts down Kira's throat and using her for dialogue options to up her approval and she's still lvl 16. Previously I did die on some of the harder ones but now I've walked away from 2 heroics already on one planet. Please consider all "GITgud You noob" comments made you have already convinced me to cancel my subscription I'm just running it out so there's no need for them. I'm just providing feedback that other new players not put off by the forums here as I was will probably be put off by this if they try the wrong heroic.
Stephanielynn Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Vote with your wallet and cancel your sub! I sure as hell did! As companions are about as useless as they are again before patch 4.0 ! This is typical Bioware balancing ********! They are completely useless at it and went way overboard again with the nerfs without even testing!! My companions now do about half the damage of my Jedi Guardian in tank spec + defense mods! Even when set to DPS role! A complete joke! Totally useless. Feel completely baited into resubbing. Finally enjoying the leveling experience again and then they pull this kind of **** on us a month later! The game is crashing for me now,.. click start, goes to splash screen for about a sec,.. boom, crashes to desktop.. great job BIO! along with what said above.. Just canceled my sub.
MuratReis Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 This is really funny. Bioware markets the game heavily towards non-MMO players and makes the game basically play like a non-MMO. A few weeks later they decide it should be harder - as MMOs tend to be -- and sweep the rug from underneath their new player base! I could do a better job of making design decisions!
MaximusRex Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 MMOs are hard? I don't know what MMOs you've been playing.
Alec_Fortescue Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) This is so funny and sad at the same time because people predicted exactly what's gonna happen. If something feels overpowered, bioware nerfs it to the ground when they finally do. Just buff back the companions to 4.0. I fail to see how it was a problem!!!!! Edited November 18, 2015 by Alec_Fortescue
dvmcm Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 On my Sorc, I went out to test things out after the patch, doing the more 'challenging' H2s. I'm in 5 piece comm 220s rest 216s (except for relics still 192s). Hilt and offhand are both 220. Every piece is augmented. My Companion, Talos (love this ****er for some reason) is rank 50. Can I complete them all? Yes. Of course. Was it tough at times? A bit. What you say? A bit? LTP! I'm not an idiot (I swear!). I have many characters and have read and learned all their rotations etc. There were so many times Talos just *********** stood there. I was at 25% health after a fight and mfer just stood there. No healing. No nothing. Just stood there looking creepy and dumb. There were definitely times I was certain I would die. 'Almost' die in mostly 220s, grinding rep that Eric said would be doable for most players seems off to me. Not complaining. Just my observation. -Danielle /posting in other relevant threads
Callaron Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) So far I'm still good on doing heroics, my health's dropped fairly low a couple of times, but... I've survived them all. Of course I'm also a "Legendary" player, which means I have a ton of presence bonuses, so I can imagine these things getting quite hard on players that don't have this. It largely feels like they aimed the entire nerf at the people who have Legendary status + datacrons, while ignoring the impact it would have on less "established" players. Edited November 18, 2015 by Callaron
Wazlak Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I'm very causal, and pretty much a solo player due to time and family. I just tried some SF heroics and died. I have a 65 Jug win 208 with a 17 Lana healing. I already have the One and Only achieve, but wanted to see the effect of the recent changes. The trash was ok, and the paladin too. But now can't get past the 4 knights. Lana wasn't healing much, and I'm not doing enough dps to clear them quickly enough. I understand they needed to be reduced, but the question was how much. I was really having a lot of fun playing the expansion and going through the content, even solo. If this is how it is now, then for me the fun factor has been reduced quite a lot, and I don't just want to log in to find I am blocked in doing any of the things I could have done.
Bodabass Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 This is Bioware's NGE, nothing more to say.
Duck_of_Death Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 If you find this isn't true for any Heroics tomorrow, let us know. Not getting paid= not doing your work. All I say, now you have to check every Heroic, whereas before you only had to rename them from 4 to 2. 4 Elites, 3 Strong and 1 Elite ( especially if the chainstun you like on the Hoth H2 with the Sith), 3 Elite and one Strong are not doable. Every group where each of them puts a sticky grenade thing on you at the start of the fight- it is very hard to recover from that burst damage now. I wouldn`t go to Makeb now, where every group puts at least 2 debuffs and 3 DoTs on you ( I always think I am Onyxia when on Makeb " More Dots!" ) So we now have a story with nearly no replayability and a tedious Heroic grind. A sure recipe for success!
FenyxSprig Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I couldn't get in last night, so I was in a peach of a mood starting out today. I tried 3 heroics, what had been the easiest one, a moderate one, and a hard one (this was before the patch). Easy one, no problem. Moderate, huge problem. Hard one, completely undoable. I couldn't even get close to doing it. After that, I tried my char who was leveling on Makeb. I got wiped out. As it is, the game is not only un-fun but it's unplayable (for me). I was so disgusted, I just logged back off again. I clearly won't be playing until they fix this. I'm thrilled some people have no problems with it. I have massive problems with it and I didn't have these problems before 4.0. I never had problems leveling before. I appreciate wanting to take the edge off the comps abilities before but this is just way too much. Tactical nukes have a gentler touch.
PallyHk Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 On my Sorc, I went out to test things out after the patch, doing the more 'challenging' H2s. I'm in 5 piece comm 220s rest 216s (except for relics still 192s). Hilt and offhand are both 220. Every piece is augmented. My Companion, Talos (love this ****er for some reason) is rank 50. Can I complete them all? Yes. Of course. Was it tough at times? A bit. What you say? A bit? LTP! I'm not an idiot (I swear!). I have many characters and have read and learned all their rotations etc. There were so many times Talos just *********** stood there. I was at 25% health after a fight and mfer just stood there. No healing. No nothing. Just stood there looking creepy and dumb. There were definitely times I was certain I would die. 'Almost' die in mostly 220s, grinding rep that Eric said would be doable for most players seems off to me. Not complaining. Just my observation. -Danielle /posting in other relevant threads Most people do not have a level 50 influence companion (it is a huge grind or a giant money sink) nor they have 220s. Well, I have a level 65 dps char with 216 gear, level 23 influence Healer comp. I can barely get through the Heroic 2+ missions (I'm not talking about star fortress) which give me the stuff I need for the allience grind. I have to wait for ages between fights to get my defensive cooldowns all off the CD between them. Before KOTFE, my char had 192 gear and Old Quinn healed better. I didn't even have to forcefeed him gifts. So its not me being a bad player, since I never had trouble during Shadow of Revan. I'm not subbing again. I just bought the 60 days for levelling alts, but ... I can't do that now. I don't have the money to do what BW and elitist scum wants, to spluge money into cartel coins, than sell those for credits which I can buy gifts with so I can raise a healer to influence 50 just so I can do content again. This is the worst thing they ever did to their game.
Ferretfur Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I couldn't get in last night, so I was in a peach of a mood starting out today. I tried 3 heroics, what had been the easiest one, a moderate one, and a hard one (this was before the patch). Easy one, no problem. Moderate, huge problem. Hard one, completely undoable. I couldn't even get close to doing it. After that, I tried my char who was leveling on Makeb. I got wiped out. As it is, the game is not only un-fun but it's unplayable (for me). I was so disgusted, I just logged back off again. I clearly won't be playing until they fix this. I'm thrilled some people have no problems with it. I have massive problems with it and I didn't have these problems before 4.0. I never had problems leveling before. I appreciate wanting to take the edge off the comps abilities before but this is just way too much. Tactical nukes have a gentler touch. All they need to do is return some of the reduced effectiveness (so yes, a boost) and it'll all be peachy. They don't have to completely put them back to how they were, but they did cut a bit too much. Now will they admit they got it wrong and boost companions a little again (maybe 25% or so)...that remains to be seen.
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