Rhyltran Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Who do you think emerges the victor? Palpatine but it's close.
tcgtqu Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Whoever is wearing the plot armour at the time of the duel.
CaulderBenson Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 It's close either way, and I love both characters but in a straight up fight I'd go with Vitiate/Valkorion at this point. That's just my opinion, I don't really care one way or the other though.
Ausstig Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Legends Palps? It would be very close. Sheeve? Valkorion by a mile. Edited November 17, 2015 by Ausstig
RodneyMcNeely Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Sheeve? Valkorion by a mile. Sorry for getting off topic, but what does "sheeve" mean?
that_Spartan_IV Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Darth Sidious. Legends Sidious would win easily. Canon Sidious still wins because Vitiate isn't canon anymore
renatolnsp Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Valkorion, obviously. Palpie couldn't kill Luke with consecutive loads of force lightnings, Valkie finished a Dark Councilor and one of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy with just one blast.
RayceUlrand Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Valkorion, obviously. Palpie couldn't kill Luke with consecutive loads of force lightnings, Valkie finished a Dark Councilor and one of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy with just one blast. Wasn't Palpatine torturing Luke before outright killing him? Valkorian didn't want to waste time convincing someone who didn't accept his offer, Palpatine was making Luke suffer for not striking his father down.
peter_plankskull Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Decades of a fleshed out character with constant over exaggerated stories VS a character who hasn't got his full showing, intentions, and only been around for 4 weeks, not exactly fair....
Canareth Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Pretty sure Valk vape'd the entire Dark Council once.
Audoucet Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Canonwise, Palpatine is the strongest Sith ever.
Ausstig Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Sorry for getting off topic, but what does "sheeve" mean? It is Palpatines' cannon first name.
Morrolan Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 How can Palpatine be stronger than Valkorion/Vitiate who has destroyed and absorbed the force of at least 2 planets easily, who can split his consciousness into more than 1 body, who has basically transitioned into a being of pure force/energy at this point?
Rhyltran Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 How can Palpatine be stronger than Valkorion/Vitiate who has destroyed and absorbed the force of at least 2 planets easily, who can split his consciousness into more than 1 body, who has basically transitioned into a being of pure force/energy at this point? In the EU Sidious can leave his body at will. Was capable of creating wormholes that could destroy entire planets. Was feeding off the life force of the billions of people on Biss. Capable of moving so quickly that Leia couldn't follow him with her eyes and force lightning strong enough to turn even other force users into ashes. Not to mention was a complete master of all seven forms of lightsaber combat. I think you underestimate EU Sidious severely.
Audoucet Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 In the EU Sidious can leave his body at will. Was capable of creating wormholes that could destroy entire planets. Was feeding off the life force of the billions of people on Biss. Capable of moving so quickly that Leia couldn't follow him with her eyes and force lightning strong enough to turn even other force users into ashes. Not to mention was a complete master of all seven forms of lightsaber combat. I think you underestimate EU Sidious severely. And he contained more than half of the Dark Side, according to Bane's doctrine. There were some other dark siders, but not actual Sith. Oh, and well, Battle Meditation...
Morrolan Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 In the EU Sidious can leave his body at will. Was capable of creating wormholes that could destroy entire planets. Was feeding off the life force of the billions of people on Biss. Capable of moving so quickly that Leia couldn't follow him with her eyes and force lightning strong enough to turn even other force users into ashes. Not to mention was a complete master of all seven forms of lightsaber combat. I think you underestimate EU Sidious severely. And then got beaten by Anakin and Luke. That sort of thing is why the EU was set aside. In terms of what could be canon now there is no contest.
Kaedusz Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) edit: nevermind. Edited November 20, 2015 by Kaedusz
Audoucet Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 And then got beaten by Anakin and Luke. That sort of thing is why the EU was set aside. In terms of what could be canon now there is no contest. Palpatine, is the embodiment of the Dark Side, but still a normal human being. Anakin is the actual Force itself made flesh, and Luke was the strongest Jedi EVER, and the son of the Force made flesh. And yes, that was exactly the sort of thing why the EU was set aside, but Valk is, EU. And even when the old Canon hierarchy was still here, SWTOR was a lesser level of Canon, than the novels. So however we look at it, Palpatine is more powerful.
Kaedusz Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Vitiate was more powerful even before ziost + kotfe. After these 2, they are not even in the same category. Edited November 20, 2015 by Kaedusz
DrFaroohk Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I feel like Palpatine gets blown way out of proportion by people trying to outdo the previous story. The palpatine you read about in EU doesn't even need a death star.
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) I feel like Palpatine gets blown way out of proportion by people trying to outdo the previous story. The palpatine you read about in EU doesn't even need a death star. DE Palpatine perhaps not, but ROTJ sure. It's also not like Valk isn't getting blown up either here considering TOR and the expansion, when in the Revan novel he was nowhere near the power he has now, yet was still the most powerful dude in the Sith Empire. Although overlooking the fact, the Death Star was more than just a super weapon and more than just used for destroying planets. It was a mobile battle station, it's main task was to instill fear to keep the galaxy in line with the Empire. It's ability to destroy a planet, was just an added secondary bonus feature in the grand scheme of things in what it was designed for. Edited November 20, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi
SteelieCZ Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 In the EU Sidious can leave his body at will. Was capable of creating wormholes that could destroy entire planets. Was feeding off the life force of the billions of people on Biss. Capable of moving so quickly that Leia couldn't follow him with her eyes and force lightning strong enough to turn even other force users into ashes. Not to mention was a complete master of all seven forms of lightsaber combat. I think you underestimate EU Sidious severely. Well that just sounds like the greatest Gary Stu ever. Comparing these two makes no sense. Valkorion is inside his own canon, and even 3 thousand years apart from Palpatine. I'm not choosing a side here, though I'd be on Valkorion's. I just find these discussions redundant, and wanted to give my 2 cents.
Rhyltran Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Well that just sounds like the greatest Gary Stu ever. Comparing these two makes no sense. Valkorion is inside his own canon, and even 3 thousand years apart from Palpatine. I'm not choosing a side here, though I'd be on Valkorion's. I just find these discussions redundant, and wanted to give my 2 cents. SWTOR is not canon. It's canon in the way Fan-fiction is canon. To be fair neither is EU Sidious. They're both equally as non-canon. They're both EU. That being said, I'm not a fan of EU Palpatine nor am I a Valkorion fan. Edited November 20, 2015 by Rhyltran
Kaedusz Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) SWTOR is not canon. It's canon in the way Fan-fiction is canon. To be fair neither is EU Sidious. They're both equally as non-canon. They're both EU. In technical terms yes,since the Disney changes. However being a character in a game, especially a RPG and story driven one, brings respectability to the story. And that story is perfectly valid, all it needs is the ok from Disney to be considered canon. Comics on the other hand are a lower form of media. EU Sidious also can't be redeemed in any way because it can't coexist in the same continuity with the new movies, and that makes him fan fiction in the truest sense of the world. Not to mention that EU Sidious had a fan fiction vibe about him from the start, because of the power disparity between what he shows in the movies and the EU. Edited November 21, 2015 by Kaedusz
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