yoomazir Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) Hey guys, returning player, I was wondering, I finished the Kotfe story with my main character (a bounty hunter) and to be honest I felt the BH didn't really fit in the story, for those that played other classes, who do you think fits well dialogue wise in this new campaign. I was thinking starting either a freshly lvl60 Warrior or Agent. Edited November 15, 2015 by yoomazir
Audoucet Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 General consensus is JK/SW, agent being one of the worst, because you never actually use your agent skill set.
hopperwolf Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 Smuggler kinda fits in a Han Solo with the Force and no idea what Hell he is doing kinda way. But when I played as a SW it was incredibly jarring that a 8-10 ft wall and maybe 12 droids/knights would be enough to register as a "I can't when" situation.
Audoucet Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Well actually, my main being a dark side Sith Warrior, I don't really see the problem... I'm the Wrath, I'm not Darth Chuck Norris. 12 light saber wielding elite Force User should, be a no win situation. Even game play wise, I don't know, maybe I'm a very bad player, but I don't think I can handle alone 12 elites without my companion. And er, 10 ft is, like, 3 meters ? Yeah, it would take a lot of time to go through that... Edited November 16, 2015 by Audoucet
Tarkashae Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Smuggler kinda fits in a Han Solo with the Force and no idea what Hell he is doing kinda way. But when I played as a SW it was incredibly jarring that a 8-10 ft wall and maybe 12 droids/knights would be enough to register as a "I can't when" situation. I saw it as more of a manipulation attempt from Valkorian.
RinjiRenee Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Don't know why Agent would be one of the worst. They have been cut off completely from their Intelligence resources. Also seems weird to harp on their lack of skill set use, when we're also witnessing the same thing with other classes (like the Jedi and Sith). Agent felt completely fine for me. In fact, in terms of the story itself, with SCORPIO and upcoming chapter, it seems like the story is leaning TOWARDS Agent... Edited November 17, 2015 by RinjiRenee
AKHadeed Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I felt like it was a fairly solid fit for my agent, too. Voices in his heads, attempts at manipulation, everything he's sacrificed for falling apart... Yeah, pretty much Tuesday. Conversely, even being as rowdy as I could, my Wrath felt a little subdued. I guess you can't gnaw on the walls QUITE as much this time around. Though she ingested some scenery.
AndreiBolkonsky Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I personally decided to play it as a vanguard. None of my jedi would ever ally themselves with the sith to defeat another empire or put jedi and sith together in one force enclave, too tempting for the padawans. The warrior and inquisitor could work, but it seems that their power has been reduced to Lana Beniko's level. Non force users feel better in my opinion, it feels like you're dealing with things that you don't understand and are way out of your league, and makes sense to end up accepting Valkorion's power. Out of the 4 non force using classes I think the trooper is the one who better fits the position of Commander.
Jedi_riches Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) My personal belief is that there are 3 tiers of who is best for KoTFE, basically all force users come top: Tier 1 Knight - They defeated the Emperors voice once already, overcoming the emperors brainwashing (I don't know if the emperor knows how?) Warrior - Former Emperors Wrath, chosen by the emperor for some reason (I am not sure if its ever explained why you are chosen though) Tier 2 Consular - They already have defeated the emperors "children" Inquisitor - High ranking member of the Sith council (arguably, they are the most appropriate vessel for valky having the previous experiences with binding force ghosts to himself) Neither of these have any direct connection with the emperor which is why they are in tier 2. Tier 3 All none force users - I cannot believe that even with the emperors spirit inside them that they would not get carved up in less than 10 seconds fighting Arcann. In fact I am half tempted to not even run KoTFE with my none force users. infact SOR is probable the last content I will do with these, at least with Revan you have all that "help" Edited November 19, 2015 by Jedi_riches
SithKoriandr Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 One does have to wonder why Arcann doesn't pull a vader and just force grab the blasters out of the non force users hands.
Canareth Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) I saw it as more of a manipulation attempt from Valkorian. It is. He doesn't care if Lana lives or dies and he may or may not know her fate (he does foresee stuff). And he is trying to get a grip on you with what happens if you take his power twice and then decline in the Arcann fight. It is more of a "this is easy and certain" option than a must. Lana's out of time for a Force User to stomp on the Knights and deal with the wall. - For fit...while the Knight is the longstanding hero with the relationship with Valk, the plot itself (so far) fits Consular/Inquisitor the best: -- They are the only two that can plausibly lie about Valkorion's power. -- For the same reason, they're appealing hosts for Valk if that is ultimately what he is planning. -- They're both more political which fits the Alliance building, something that the Wrath is probably terrible at. -- They have some (Consular) or a lot (Inquisitor) business being with Marr. -- They both use lightsabers (Chapter 1 ending). -- They're powerful Force users with unique abilities which makes some of the dialogue choices not suicidal. -- Their romantic interests left a lot to be desired unless you were a Light Male SI, so Lana/Koth/Theron are appealing coworkers. -- There's no aspect or plot point they're really "wrong" for. Edited November 19, 2015 by Canareth
Audoucet Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Except the fact your Inquisitor doesn't seem to remember his own powers.
Kaedusz Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Warrior and Knight, for obvious reasons. Edited November 20, 2015 by Kaedusz
_Kezza_ Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I like having my Sith Inquisitor because it fits them quite well, however I feel under powered compared to what I used to be even without the ghosts. Also near the end of Chapter 8 I feel that the Inquisitor should have been able to handle the power. However definetly in the beginning with Darth Marr the Inquisitor feels right at home especially with the line "I feel we can press the dark council into line" instead of "I can press the council into line"
Saelinne Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Except the fact your Inquisitor doesn't seem to remember his own powers. So much this...imo if the emperor is just looking for new host the inquisitor will be horrible....very alluring mind you, but horrible choice. She/he know how to not only bind but is also sturdy/tough enough to control multiple ghosts.... so...maybe she/he will not have the power to bind the emperor but imo it is very risky for his part.... ....that is somewhat good reason for him to stay away from the JC as well....especially if he needs to seduce him/her to use his power to take control. As the JC is powerful enough that he/she might choose not to.... Also near the end of Chapter 8 I feel that the Inquisitor should have been able to handle the power. Excellent point! The only...hmm...explanation I could think of is that we don't see their HP at cutscenes...maybe everyone else (when using the emperor's power) got -90% hp and the inquisitor got -50%? ....because that was the whole point of Belsavis - that we can handle that kind of power... Edited November 22, 2015 by Saelinne
Chaloss Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 I still think Inquisitor works best from Imperial side, have not done Rep on all classes so wont comment that much. Spoilers ahead for Inquisitor story mostly. Note that this is just on most general level, you can easily make any force character fit the story if you use your imagination. Other classes might have more difficult time with it prior to Kotfe at some points, but in Kotfe you get Valkorian get out of jail free card. First of all remember that all characters were suffering from carbonite poisoning (if I recall term correctly), not from being reawakened. First one is far more serious (it was slowly killing you over time) and is much more long term effect than latter which is most likely just few days at most perhaps? So if you have problem with being depicted weak then that is perfect excuse for it and that applies to all classes. Inquisitor is the only Imperial character definetly on leaderhip position. BH, IA and even Warrior come off more as specialists in their trade to me. Furtheron existance of Ashara helps to make it more plausible for Jedi to work with Inquisitor. Inquisitor got Ashara before becoming even member of Dark Council and did not turn her into Sith at any point which should make case for SI being able to work with Jedi to anyone doubting it. Other imperial classes examples are dependant on player choices. Inquisitor also I think has nice progression with enemies: Darth Zash, Darth Thanaton, Dread Masters, Revan, Emperor ghost (in lack of better term coming to mind right now) and now Emperor family. Also force ghosts are very familiar subject for Inquisitor if want to play prior contact before Yavin 4 (yes, all classes came into contact with Emperor before Kotfe) with SW. Note that Valkorian does get into Inquisitor through different means than what Inquisitor used before. More importantly Inquisitor does rebuild body to be able to house all the force ghosts so that makes case for him being superior host compared to other player characters.
AngFour Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 I thought the story worked surprisingly well for the Agent. It seemed like a natural progression based off their past. First they were the nameless ghost, but then they got outed by Hunter and everyone knew their name and aliases. Then Intelligence got disbanded and they were drafted into the military. By Makeb, everyone had dropped the Cipher Nine designation and were calling him/her "Commander" which goes through SoR, where the Agent rallies both Empire and Republic together to fight against Revan. The Agent is adaptable to their situation. It's part of their training. So now they're the leader of The Alliance and infiltrating Star Fortresses (not to mention Zakuul) to blow them up. I realize that all the classes, by the end, are following the same story. But if you look at it solely from the Agent's perspective, it's a gradual, and natural, change from "Ghost" to "Commander Shepard." Besides, with Valkorion in the Agent's head, the agent pretty much rolled their eyes and went, "Great. Yet another unwanted voice in my head." The Agent is relatively unfazed by the events taking place because, as I already mentioned, they are trained to be adaptable.
Master-Nala Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 IMO, the story is written for the Jedi Knight first and foremost. Vitiate/Valkorian has always had a man/normal crush on the Jedi Knight. And the stories pretty much flow from what happened before. The only reason the Jedi Knight doesn't make sense is that they should have been able to slap Arcann silly. But bad story is bad and all that.
Chaloss Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 IMO, the story is written for the Jedi Knight first and foremost. Vitiate/Valkorian has always had a man/normal crush on the Jedi Knight. And the stories pretty much flow from what happened before. The only reason the Jedi Knight doesn't make sense is that they should have been able to slap Arcann silly. But bad story is bad and all that. I am going to disagree about that. I just finished JK and to me felt disconnect between Emperor there and Kotfe. Also I would not say Emperor has crush on JK, felt more like JK had one on Emperor.
Cythereal Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 The Jedi Knight is also an utterly terrible class story in general and the Emperor is a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Bounty Hunter works surprisingly well in my opinion. Finding, tracking, and taking down people impossible to get to, people who can slip out of any situation, the most fearsome warriors in the galaxy who have killed everyone they've fought, and people who most believe don't even exist is the Bounty Hunter's job description and one the Hunter has backed up with confirmed kill/captures on "impossible" targets. Arcann's not the first utterly full of himself Force lord who's picked a fight with the Bounty Hunter, nor is he the first to learn what a mistake that is. He's probably not going to be the last, either.
EdwinLi Posted December 5, 2015 Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) The Jedi Knight is also an utterly terrible class story in general and the Emperor is a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Bounty Hunter works surprisingly well in my opinion. Finding, tracking, and taking down people impossible to get to, people who can slip out of any situation, the most fearsome warriors in the galaxy who have killed everyone they've fought, and people who most believe don't even exist is the Bounty Hunter's job description and one the Hunter has backed up with confirmed kill/captures on "impossible" targets. Arcann's not the first utterly full of himself Force lord who's picked a fight with the Bounty Hunter, nor is he the first to learn what a mistake that is. He's probably not going to be the last, either. Not to mention Agent works as well due to how currently certain Agent companions are tied into Main Characters for KOTFE. Though this remains until Bioware decides to include other companions from other classes as Main characters but with Scorpio and Kylio as major characters in the storyline the Agents fit just right into the story with all his surprise reunion momenets and having actually known these characters enough for them to join the Alliance. Edited December 5, 2015 by EdwinLi
Sith-Viscera Posted December 5, 2015 Posted December 5, 2015 Hey guys, returning player, I was wondering, I finished the Kotfe story with my main character (a bounty hunter) and to be honest I felt the BH didn't really fit in the story, for those that played other classes, who do you think fits well dialogue wise in this new campaign. I was thinking starting either a freshly lvl60 Warrior or Agent. Your right. There are no other Classes that fit this new Story besides the ones that are Force using classes. BH, AGENT, SMUGGLER and the rest of the none force using classes doesn't fit at all. But i guess this is where imagination comes into play. Other wise, spin it in your head, how ever you want it to make it fit in..........
EdwinLi Posted December 5, 2015 Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Your right. There are no other Classes that fit this new Story besides the ones that are Force using classes. BH, AGENT, SMUGGLER and the rest of the none force using classes doesn't fit at all. But i guess this is where imagination comes into play. Other wise, spin it in your head, how ever you want it to make it fit in.......... You do know in all the fights between Arcaan we are not winning the fight but the only time we win is if players accept Valky's help. Even as a force user Arcaan appears hardly hindered by any of our attacks while we are basically struggling to survive the fight and being constantly thrown around like a ragdoll. That is basically very non-force user type of events and people complain about this being a constant thing because their character is a force user. Edited December 5, 2015 by EdwinLi
Sith-Viscera Posted December 5, 2015 Posted December 5, 2015 You do know in all the fights between Arcaan we are not winning the fight but the only time we win is if players accept Valky's help. Even as a force user Arcaan appears hardly hindered by any of our attacks while we are basically struggling to survive the fight and being constantly thrown around like a ragdoll. That is basically very non-force user type of events and people complain about this being a constant thing because their character is a force user. Ok you are right, we do get our butts handed to us. But when given the option in dialog, u only get one chance. I mean u get one chance to pick and take Valkys help, yes or no. I dont recall getting a do over on my First and only lvl 60 i made when i refused his help. Since she is a Jedi sage. She wouldnt use his help and she still won the battle, if i recall. My main character Sith-warrior a Jugg, he did accept his help cause he is driven by Power, Unlimited Power. And both toons chose different paths and still won. Of course my Jedi had a harder battle but still, she won. For me it makes more sense that Valky would need a Force user to handle his heighten massive FORCE POWERS. A BH or AGENT or SMUGGLER, their bodies, i see them not handling that kind of power to survive Valky Channeling it through them... So for ME, it just makes more sense and more believable to the story line. And before u go off saying how do i know. Well i have a toon in every class but Trooper, and that will be my last one ill play through b4 i leave the game for good. Which at the rate of my star wars addiction will be about year 2025 or when i just stop breathing. What ever comes first. lol
ZanyaCross Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Warrior - Former Emperors Wrath, chosen by the emperor for some reason (I am not sure if its ever explained why you are chosen though) Actually I think it was the Hand that chose you. Vitiate was trapped on Voss at the time thanks to the great canned ham. So much this...imo if the emperor is just looking for new host the inquisitor will be horrible....very alluring mind you, but horrible choice. She/he know how to not only bind but is also sturdy/tough enough to control multiple ghosts.... so...maybe she/he will not have the power to bind the emperor but imo it is very risky for his part.... That fact this is never even addressed is a pretty major blunder with the story. yeah, I don't think the Inquisitor has the power to trap something as powerful as Vitiate, but he should have the option to threaten him with it, even if it only gets a laugh out of the Emperor.
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