Moshijklmnopqrs Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Prepare to see a bunch of games where someone on your team or other team has another account they made to lose for them in solo ranked cause theyre desperate for wins and incapable of winning legit. The free 60 tokens combined with how easy it is to reach 65 will make the solo ranked impossible to play cause of all the pos shady players that exist. I can see this ruining solo ranked more so than ever. Edited November 12, 2015 by Moshijklmnopqrs
csant Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Then don't give a **** about solo... or at least being top 3. lol
Moshijklmnopqrs Posted November 12, 2015 Author Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Then don't give a **** about solo... or at least being top 3. lol :rak_02::rak_02::rak_02: Edited November 12, 2015 by Moshijklmnopqrs
Lhancelot Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Takes all of 1 hour to get from 60 to 65. Can't wait for all the people who are going to make new accounts so they can lose on purpose for their main account. They'll get away with it to cause BW has always failed to take care of it. Coming from player whose top 3d so many times Ive lost count and streamed it all while laughing at everyone who has to cheat and do shady stuff to get their top 3 titles or queue sync. TL;DR Prepare to see a bunch of games where someone on your team or other team has another account they made to lose for them in solo ranked cause theyre desperate for wins and incapable of winning legit. The free 60 tokens combined with how easy it is to reach 65 will make the solo ranked impossible to play cause of all the pos shady players that exist. My problem with ranked solo is more than the fact people have found ways to manipulate it for high ratings, it's how lopsided the power disparity is between the classes. The 4v4 solo ranked scene only exists for a very small number of class builds out of the whole group. This is stupid. I'd think this issue might have been looked into further but as large patches come and go, the same classes pretty much dominate while the same useless ones in solo ranked remain useless. On to your point. Pointing out another way people will cheat to win in solo ranked is fine, but how can BW stop it? Even before instant 60s was here, people trolled and cheated for high ranked rating. It's like that big dirty lake that also happens to be the only pool of water the country kids can swim in... Some avoid it because of the filth, while others overlook the negative, and swim in it anyway, enjoying it for it's filthy, wet fun. To me, that's what ranked is on this game. A filthy pool of water, that only a few people dare swim in. If they really want more people to swim in it, they need to clean it up a bit.
Moshijklmnopqrs Posted November 12, 2015 Author Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) My problem with ranked solo is more than the fact people have found ways to manipulate it for high ratings, it's how lopsided the power disparity is between the classes. The 4v4 solo ranked scene only exists for a very small number of class builds out of the whole group. This is stupid. I'd think this issue might have been looked into further but as large patches come and go, the same classes pretty much dominate while the same useless ones in solo ranked remain useless. On to your point. Pointing out another way people will cheat to win in solo ranked is fine, but how can BW stop it? Even before instant 60s was here, people trolled and cheated for high ranked rating. It's like that big dirty lake that also happens to be the only pool of water the country kids can swim in... Some avoid it because of the filth, while others overlook the negative, and swim in it anyway, enjoying it for it's filthy, wet fun. To me, that's what ranked is on this game. A filthy pool of water, that only a few people dare swim in. If they really want more people to swim in it, they need to clean it up a bit. Operative by no means was a "dominating solo ranked class" by any means whatsoever, I just pulled it off. Yes, people have always cheated for rank. If youre a player whose lived and breathed solo ranked like myself then you would know JUST ONE PLAYER using another account to throw games for himself, devastated the queues. Now that getting 65 is a joke, it'll legit be 10x worse. I'm not having a debate I'm just pointing out whats going to happen this coming season cause I didn't even think about it till yesterday. I was like "Oh wow, solo ranked is gonna be 10x more of a joke than it was" P.S. I already had plans of not playing this season due to playing other games. Just giving heads up to people who haven't thought about it Edited November 12, 2015 by Moshijklmnopqrs
teclado Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) I don't understand how this would work, exactly. I could see somebody making a throwaway alt on pub side on 2nd account. But that wouldn't (negatively) affect everybody who is already playing imp side. I suppose that if they get a pop vs their main, they throw the match; pop vs others, actually try to win. But it's pub side - gonna lose. EDIT: I could see people intentionally losing when against friends, actually trying when grouped with them. But I think that this was already pretty easy to do with an alt that you didn't care about. I guess having a separate account for this would shield the main account from repercussion. But again, it's not like people weren't already doing this with x12 XP. Don't give it away if I am missing something - no need to give people ideas. I'm just not used to thinking that way, so I can't see it. Edited November 12, 2015 by teclado
Lhancelot Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Operative by no means was a "dominating solo ranked class" by any means whatsoever, I just pulled it off. Yes, people have always cheated for rank. If youre a player whose lived and breathed solo ranked like myself then you would know JUST ONE PLAYER using another account to throw games for himself, devastated the queues. Now that getting 65 is a joke, it'll legit be 10x worse. I'm not having a debate I'm just pointing out whats going to happen this coming season cause I didn't even think about it till yesterday. I was like "Oh wow, solo ranked is gonna be 10x more of a joke than it was" P.S. I already had plans of not playing this season due to playing other games. Just giving heads up to people who haven't thought about it I know man, I understand your concerns and I recognize you are a great player on ops in solo ranked. That's not the point of this though. I just like to find ways they can stop cheats or faults in the "system", because although it's rare, BW has taken some of those ideas and applied them. So, I am just trying to figure out a way they could stop the trolls in solo ranked. If you bring a problem to light, it's good to have a solution. For this one, I just don't know how they can stop people from cheating by throwing games in ranked. Many people come here, will attack your thread and tell you how solo ranked is BS anyway, it doesn't matter blah blah blah. I would rather have dialogue on how to make it better. Sometimes people come from other games and they have seen these types of problems and they know how other games fixed them so I try not to get into the whole debate of "why bother it's broken anyway". I only do solo ranked sparingly and do it for change of pace and it's good to be humbled sometimes, lol. But, I would like to see it improved with better class balance and the issue of cheating should be addressed. How do they stop the cheating, that's the more important question though.
FourPawnBenoni Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 This is why I support public shaming of those caught cheating in solo ranked and had action taken against them. Without communication of actual discipline happening no one will think anything is being done. We just have to "take their word for it" EA should make a list of those that get banned for throwing games and restore ratings to those that lost against them
Lhancelot Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 This is why I support public shaming of those caught cheating in solo ranked and had action taken against them. Without communication of actual discipline happening no one will think anything is being done. We just have to "take their word for it" EA should make a list of those that get banned for throwing games and restore ratings to those that lost against them People change names constantly on toons, it would be hard to hold people accountable simply by a name-and-shame policy. I would be fine with it, but people would find ways around avoiding the shame.
Sevarn Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 I've personally decided that I'm just not doing solo ranked this season. It's just not worth the frustration. Last season I had to deal with win traders, q syncers, game throwers, over 30% of my games being 3v4s and finally even if you manage to get a fair game, you still have the people who die instantly without popping a defensive, tanks who do 10k damage and less protection than my DPS guardian, healers getting globaled, DPS who can't focus, etc. Not worth the stress. Can't see this season being any better.
Morto Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Takes all of 1 hour to get from 60 to 65. Can't wait for all the people who are going to make new accounts so they can lose on purpose for their main account. They'll get away with it to cause BW has always failed to take care of it. Coming from player whose top 3d so many times Ive lost count and streamed it all while laughing at everyone who has to cheat and do shady stuff to get their top 3 titles or queue sync. TL;DR Prepare to see a bunch of games where someone on your team or other team has another account they made to lose for them in solo ranked cause theyre desperate for wins and incapable of winning legit. The free 60 tokens combined with how easy it is to reach 65 will make the solo ranked impossible to play cause of all the pos shady players that exist. lol wut and your TLDR is no cliffnote
Moshijklmnopqrs Posted November 12, 2015 Author Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) I don't understand how this would work, exactly. I could see somebody making a throwaway alt on pub side on 2nd account. But that wouldn't (negatively) affect everybody who is already playing imp side. I suppose that if they get a pop vs their main, they throw the match; pop vs others, actually try to win. But it's pub side - gonna lose. EDIT: I could see people intentionally losing when against friends, actually trying when grouped with them. But I think that this was already pretty easy to do with an alt that you didn't care about. I guess having a separate account for this would shield the main account from repercussion. But again, it's not like people weren't already doing this with x12 XP. Don't give it away if I am missing something - no need to give people ideas. I'm just not used to thinking that way, so I can't see it. It doesn't just have to be the opposite faction. If you queue as a tank or healer the other team can only get 1 tank or healer. Thus, you could queue your "other account" as a tank or healer and match yourself. Like I said, this has already been going on but with how easy it is to get 65 now. I just see it being on a entirely different level than it was. and leveling to 65 is even 10x faster than 12xp with the free 60 so cheaters or even people who've thought of it will be more motivated. Edited November 12, 2015 by Moshijklmnopqrs
Moshijklmnopqrs Posted November 12, 2015 Author Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) How do they stop the cheating, that's the more important question though. Ive put in screenshots of an entire guild admitting to queue syncing(which a lot of those players involved with the guild getting top 3 titles season 6). I would name the guild but BW would remove the post for "shaming" but it was 100% fact. They just don't have enough staff assigned to actively looking for cheaters. I mean it's so easy to spot whose doing the shady things. BW just refused to assign enough staff to look into them. Edit: I mean hell, one staff member assigned to watch my stream could see enough proof to wipe out sooooooo many people. Its just been clear down the years that they don't care Edited November 12, 2015 by Moshijklmnopqrs
teclado Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 If you queue as a tank or healer the other team can only get 1 tank or healer. Thus, you could queue your "other account" as a tank or healer and match yourself. Oh. I see...lame.
Alec_Fortescue Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 This is why I support public shaming of those caught cheating in solo ranked and had action taken against them. Without communication of actual discipline happening no one will think anything is being done. We just have to "take their word for it" EA should make a list of those that get banned for throwing games and restore ratings to those that lost against them That would be so wonderful.
Rilok_Singz Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Ive put in screenshots of an entire guild admitting to queue syncing(which a lot of those players involved with the guild getting top 3 titles season 6). I would name the guild but BW would remove the post for "shaming" but it was 100% fact. They just don't have enough staff assigned to actively looking for cheaters. I mean it's so easy to spot whose doing the shady things. BW just refused to assign enough staff to look into them. Edit: I mean hell, one staff member assigned to watch my stream could see enough proof to wipe out sooooooo many people. Its just been clear down the years that they don't care pvp in a nutshell
SlightlySychotic Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 I wouldn't be overly concerned. The expense of a second account alone is going to turn off most cheaters. Unless I'm wrong, you don't get a token until you've been subbed for a month. Even if I'm wrong, smart money says that the complimentary level 60 token is probably going to be a limited time offer and those tokens are going to be twenty to forty dollars depending on the sale. Most people aren't going to invest over seventy dollars to get easy rewards. They'll exist but they'll still be pretty rare.
DomiSotto Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 If people are that determined to cheat, they really do not need a L60 token. levelling is fast regardless. This should be the easiest win-trading scheme though to pick up statistically. The problem is more that the folks that got a loss in a fudged match are not going to have anything corrected for them, I guess. Honestly, the whole solo ranked concept is custom-made to create an unhealthy atmosphere. A pity.
Dethla-Hadyn Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 It's just preseason, but.. I prefer to see 4vs4 dps anytime, preseason or not. The disparity between healers on Harb, is mind boggling. On one side you'll have an experienced healing arena vet, and on the other, you'll have a keyboard turning operative that thinks he can stand in one place and out heal through the damage...no roll, no kiting, etc... Now more than ever, solo que is nothing but a dice roll. I'm not kidding. The relative skill levels on Harb have dropped to an all time low. Throw that in with guilds throwing matches for their friends, lmao, the "elite kidz" still have their arrangements and they still know how to manipulate the system. The latest trend is /stuck, so their buddies can complete their dailies on their alts faster. So many f*gs on Harb. It's pathetic. yeah... I'm really thinking of finding a new server soon. Harbinger is turning into a joke. It's all bioware's fault I'll add, for they have not abolished the current ELO system, for a tiered system that places players into groups determined by skill. On that note, the dedicated arena players have such a small number of members, I cringe to think how slow the pops must be on other servers. F*kc it. Dumb thread. Yolo always has been a joke. Always will be with this system in place.
DomiSotto Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) The disparity between healers on Harb, is mind boggling. On one side you'll have an experienced healing arena vet, and on the other, you'll have a keyboard turning operative that thinks he can stand in one place and out heal through the damage...no roll, no kiting, etc... Now more than ever, solo que is nothing but a dice roll. It is a preseason. When is it Okay to even try for the first time then? When you are a seasoned pro of... what? Regular arenas? I sort of was thinking of trying it out, but now I doubt it is such a great idea. Probably will be the same thing as during the season. You, guys, are hopeless. Complaining that people would cheat, and complaining about the only thing that might make such cheating impossible. Edited November 13, 2015 by DomiSotto
delta_leader_ Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 It is a preseason. When is it Okay to even try for the first time then? When you are a seasoned pro of... what? Regular arenas? I sort of was thinking of trying it out, but now I doubt it is such a great idea. Probably will be the same thing as during the season. You, guys, are hopeless. Complaining that people would cheat, and complaining about the only thing that might make such cheating impossible. You should try it now if you want to. It's preseasons only purpose, since the gearing now takes almost no time. Just ignore the haters.. Better to try it out and fail a couple of times now, then when rating starts. People still lose their **** when it comes to rating, thinking that a good solo rating will prove anything..
DomiSotto Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 What's the difference if people obviously do not want you there, season or preseason. Losing is such a horrible thing, that it cannot possibly be endured. You, guys, enjoy the trolls.
xX-Archangel-Xx Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) P.S. I already had plans of not playing this season due to playing other games. Just giving heads up to people who haven't thought about it And finally u understand that . Last seasn i reached tier 1, on tofn, and god only knows, how i gained 200+ rating in less than 4 days, when mv,,,,,,SOMETHING were in q Edited November 13, 2015 by xX-Archangel-Xx
omeru Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Prepare to see a bunch of games where someone on your team or other team has another account they made to lose for them in solo ranked cause theyre desperate for wins and incapable of winning legit. The free 60 tokens combined with how easy it is to reach 65 will make the solo ranked impossible to play cause of all the pos shady players that exist. I can see this ruining solo ranked more so than ever. With new toon+instant lvl 60 you see possible exploit but biofail see possible income, charging same guy with 2-3 subscribtion and selling him a few instant lvl 60 i doubt they will do anything about it since money will be involved.
Corran Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 there will always be cheaters in pvp. afkers. always. and what's with the commas every three words?
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