Letsjet Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 I really wish Engineering would be a viable option so Snipers could be more mobile, but like I asked, in 4.0, are a Mercs still a top 3 DPS in PVE? Where are Snipers?
TACeMossie Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 I really wish Engineering would be a viable option so Snipers could be more mobile, but like I asked, in 4.0, are a Mercs still a top 3 DPS in PVE? Where are Snipers? Top 3 for dummies are: Engineering (note: Roll isn't used because its a DPS loss) Annihilation Deception With AP PTs coming in a close 4th. When you go into a raid, its more like: AP PTs Snipers (Spec isn't really an issue) Probably any sentinel/marauder spec bar Concentration/Fury Probably shadows
Corran Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 sniper/gunslinger is what you will want to play if you don't have a dedicated group now. far easier to find a spot as dps, but with the caveat that dps is all you can do.
Letsjet Posted November 4, 2015 Author Posted November 4, 2015 I really want the most mobile ranged dps, and I have all eight classes (actually leveled) to 60-65, but have away for a few months.
Gyronamics Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Mercs are nothing special. Innovative Ordinance got a huge amount of damage buffs taken out of the tree so now it can't burst or do high sustained along with the bad target swapping and poor aoe. On single target it can do a fraction more than Arsenal but Arsenal can be much more flexible. Bottom line is I cba with IO when there's so little point. In a similar way, people are playing MM because Virulence is very meh. MM can burst harder than Arsenal and aoe better than Arsenal and sustain better than Arsenal. Defences are different between them as are mobility tools. Better is subjective. Sorcs... well we have maybe one sorc dps when we are at the bottom of the barrel for alts but what we really have sorcs for is healing. I've not seen a main sorc dps for some time even since the ability to have aoe reduction. Our usual setup is buckets of AP PT and MM snipers and I mean buckets because our main raid is 16m but we do 8m even more than 16m. Edited November 4, 2015 by Gyronamics
Eksenia Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 On the flipside, there's not really any major content now that really warrants stacking of fotms. As such, if you like merc, play merc. The fact that it will do a few hundred dps less will not make you dead weight and useless in the current pve content.
Volcan Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 I really wish Engineering would be a viable option so Snipers could be more mobile, but like I asked, in 4.0, are a Mercs still a top 3 DPS in PVE? Where are Snipers? Engineering is very viable in ops this go around.
Kaos_KidSWTOR Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Engineering is very viable in ops this go around. That's debatable. Engineering is good for bosses that don't move often, and that don't have Target Swapping often. Past that, MM all the way.
Dropfall Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Mercs are nothing special. Innovative Ordinance got a huge amount of damage buffs taken out of the tree so now it can't burst or do high sustained along with the bad target swapping and poor aoe. On single target it can do a fraction more than Arsenal but Arsenal can be much more flexible. Bottom line is I cba with IO when there's so little point. I keep reading this about IO, but I can't see where these damage buffs were taken out. And I disagree on the target swapping or AoE. If you know how to play IO well, you have no issues, and I find Arsenal tediously boring. Edited November 13, 2015 by Dropfall
Gyronamics Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) I keep reading this about IO, but I can't see where these damage buffs were taken out. You want me to publish my 4.0 merc guide which has a subsection of hidden changes or something? Maybe I will. Not that it matters, anyone actually interested in their class will have seen theory threads and examined their output on both dps options and clearly seen what changed. Glaringly obvious even without knowing the changes. And I disagree on the target swapping or AoE. You're wrong. Damage and resources vanish with a dead target, the more you swap the more pathetic your output becomes. AOE bonus for IO is dotspreading which requires 4 abilities and 7.5 seconds. Neither of those are the case for Arsenal and if you have been checking up on your output like a good merc you'll see that difficulty has nothing to do with output in 4.0 Edited November 13, 2015 by Gyronamics
Corran Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 That's debatable. Engineering is good for bosses that don't move often, and that don't have Target Swapping often. Past that, MM all the way. this is why the dps listing in that other thread should be taken with the proverbial salt grain. those numbers are on a dummy with no movement and assumptions made about available debuffs. they do not reflect reality.
Dropfall Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 You want me to publish my 4.0 merc guide which has a subsection of hidden changes or something? Maybe I will. Not that it matters, anyone actually interested in their class will have seen theory threads and examined their output on both dps options and clearly seen what changed. Glaringly obvious even without knowing the changes. You're wrong. Damage and resources vanish with a dead target, the more you swap the more pathetic your output becomes. AOE bonus for IO is dotspreading which requires 4 abilities and 7.5 seconds. Neither of those are the case for Arsenal and if you have been checking up on your output like a good merc you'll see that difficulty has nothing to do with output in 4.0 All I'm getting from your answer is 'blah blah, I'm a condescending *****' My DPS output in IO is higher than in Arsenal, and I'm talking both OPS and Dummy. Arsenal certainly came up in DPS by a ton, but I can't see where they "removed" buffs from IO. I'm not going to debate AoE or target switching with you. If you can't do it effectively that's on you. Me, I have no issues.
Lalainnia Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 IQ still does more damage gap between arsenal and IQ is just much smaller along with Arsenal bringing consistent armor pen debuff IQ crtical bonus damage to all its dots. As for aoe IQ will beat out gunnery if its prolonged aoe and you some how manage to get explosive dart and to a less extent fusion missile to hit all your targets then pray to rng to have sweeping gunfire proc the cylinder dot. Pretty much the hassle doesn't feel worth the effort and its not just arsenal and IQ having this issue its happened to other specs just the same
Gyronamics Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Indeed, why debate target swapping and aoe with someone when I have no idea what content they do. Carry on and be happy. Above all do not click on this link: http://parsely.io/parser/leaderboard/commando/all/1500000/all/live/1/ IQ still does more damage gap between arsenal and IQ is just much smaller along with Arsenal bringing consistent armor pen debuff IQ crtical bonus damage to all its dots. As for aoe IQ will beat out gunnery if its prolonged aoe and you some how manage to get explosive dart and to a less extent fusion missile to hit all your targets then pray to rng to have sweeping gunfire proc the cylinder dot. Pretty much the hassle doesn't feel worth the effort and its not just arsenal and IQ having this issue its happened to other specs just the same That CGC dot lost 20% damage and was given a 1s rate limit on how often it can proc, on top of having its chance to proc reduced. So the whole channel on 8 targets can only proc it a max of 3 times. And for those 3 procs you can pray. In real terms the CGC dot is doing 3.0 damage in 4.0 and outside the auto-proc from Mag Shot it's become unreliable. Meantime Arsenal gets ARpen on Sweeping Blasters due to the cylinder on top of higher crit chance, higher crit damage from the tree.... on top of the passive regen while IO gets resource problems from using it. It does proc like Unload but the cost is destructive. Edited November 13, 2015 by Gyronamics
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