Bounty Hunter seems to work really fine in KOTFE story

[jstankaroslo]

I'm in Chapter 4 now, and so far my male BH fits really well in the KOTFE story.

 

On my first KOTFE play through with my JK, although I love this character, the feeling of being significantly weaker than Valkorion family was a bit unsettling.

On the other hand my BH has no objections to kneel or to run -he's in no illusion that he stand a chance against main adversaries in the middle of their powerbase, and unprepared.

Don't know how's that gonna work in following chapters, but it fits well so far.

 

Any other classes that seem to work well in KOTFE?

Any that suck?

[DogMeat]

Agreed, BH story line is good.

I took the Kneel route, after all I am a BH for hire....

[Shayddow]

Yes, I liked the twists and turns the BH had. <She didn't kneel>.

I had wondered how they were going to handle the dream sequence fight in chapter 2 after going through it with my Sith classes - after all, my BH had fought many both Jedi as well as Darths in her career <1-50>.. and found myself fighting someone she really respects. <not going to put in who - might be considered a spoiler>

 

Although I shouldn't be surprised after previously doing BH flashpoint vs Shae during SOR - that is more or less how I play my BH.

 

I thought the dialogue she was given felt right for a Mando.

[Eoshadow]

I feel that the story was really designed around some force user (specifically a JK) in the main role, facing his own unexpected weakness (after being the hero of the galaxy) and tempted to utilize a dark/grey method to gain the power necessary to overcome the adversity or to remain true at the risk of dying and failing the entire galaxy (which of course won't happen) simply because this is just the star wars (and the games) modus operandi

 

Judging by the way the cut scenes are developed and seemingly the varying development that went into each branching, that seems to be the most "canon" run through of the story. All the other classes feel like the main story was adjusted in order to make them "fit" into it. Although I do appreciate the little unique variations that are given.

I always enjoy the imperial agent stories, and the Sith are pretty good (for the same reasons as the first paragraph). Haven't gone through the BH yet, but it sounds good

 

From that perspective the story telling and development (until the point at which it goes KOTOR non-speaking style, which is its own topic) for each character are enjoyable, it is just hard to imagine the fate of the entire galaxy resting on a "scruffy looking nerf herder" (smuggler) for instance. I think that is what made the origin stories, which gave each character a vital, but unique and separate, role in the fate of the galaxy. Probably not feasible in expansions due to cost.

 

The downside is that it is a cookie cutter role for every character, but the fun of the expansion is that you CAN play through the story with any character/class you like and have a viable story.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Eoshadow

[dacentabaal]

I'm halfway through on my BH.. (but completed on my Operative) It may just be me but I feel the "pew pew" classes don't feel right going through the story.. I mean shooting a poxy hand blaster at Arcann and he isn't deflecting them back with ease at me or just out right gutting me. I chose to go all LS choices and refuse Valkorians help on my shooters (granted you get impaled through the centre of your chest then walk it off and sleep for a day or so)

 

On my Sorc I knelt and every chance I got I used Valkorians help and was mean and DS all the way, only thing that bothered me that someone else touched up on in a previous post is how weak you are compared to the rest of the family yet if you opt to keep the spirits bound to you in the main class story you are technically the stongest sith out there power wise. (Second to Vitiate ofc, unsure what ending is actual game lore and also depending on Darth Jadus' ultimate fate also as he was the second power fullest) Just makes you feel like an insect in comparison and that you have to use Valks help to even scratch the surface

 

Also, was completely bummed that the Sith Warrior didn't get any additional dialogue or even recognition from Valkorian/Vitiate like previously in SoR where he got an extra mini clip/paragraph

Edited November 2, 2015 by dacentabaal

[OddballEasyEight]

I certainly don't feel my BH fit in.

 

First of all, my BH has killed tons and tons of force users throughout her storyline.

Secondly, during the battles all se did was pew-pew at arcann with her blaster. Not once did she use any gadgets like rockets, darts, flamethrower or jetpack. Hell, she didn't even show the slightest inclination of using any tactics at all.

 

But then, IIRC, the OP had a long long rant about how non-force users could never win over force users in a "fair fight".

 

Which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

[sojhill]

I like the new story arc can fit all of the classes. In Starwars universe, force is power. It's normal to every story content spin around force. In the end, force created all of the life in the universe. When it comes to BH or Smuggler, their way of life perfectly fits all around of the story. They have no moral code bind themselves to alliance.

 

Before pointing out the missed parts, i would like to my share tech- using perspective for SW.

 

First, you have gadgets. You can't force push, you throw a missile. You have to calculate your moves. While we calculating our actions, force users mainly mash buttons and get upperhand. This is makes force user classes popular. They are easy to play. Players can chose leap and rip rather than seek cover, use most viable skill rotation, when you lose high ground go for another cover (agent/smugg). If you are BH/Trooper; you have to use your rotations and calculate your energy well. Use your skills at choke points to avoid run-aways. You don't have mighty AoE area. You can have high armor but it doesn't mean you are a walking fortress.

 

Lets get the story arc. There is some parts that tech users can do better with their gadgets. Lets take BH for example. I agree about "Blaster pew pew" action is not enough. We may use some net, oil slick or rocket action at cutscenes. We need some dirty moves to get upper hand like throwing dirt, poison even headbutt and bite the hand. I like the new heavy armor designs(now they are adaptive i speak with the looks) rather than medium armors. Agent armors are still top of the ugliest armor list. We need some cloak and dagger stuff. Not another uniform. Specially with the basic PvP set. Dye it green and purple and become Luigi-space edition.

[Codedrago]

 

Also, was completely bummed that the Sith Warrior didn't get any additional dialogue or even recognition from Valkorian/Vitiate like previously in SoR where he got an extra mini clip/paragraph

 

There is plenty of extra dialogue for the warrior, especially in chapter two "I am not a soave to your will, I am no longer your Wrath!"

"You were always more then a title"

[jstankaroslo]

 

But then, IIRC, the OP had a long long rant about how non-force users could never win over force users in a "fair fight".

 

Which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

 

If by OP you mean me, than you must have mistaken me for someone else

[jstankaroslo]

I feel that the story was really designed around some force user (specifically a JK) in the main role, facing his own unexpected weakness (after being the hero of the galaxy) and tempted to utilize a dark/grey method to gain the power necessary to overcome the adversity or to remain true at the risk of dying and failing the entire galaxy (which of course won't happen) simply because this is just the star wars (and the games) modus operandi

 

Judging by the way the cut scenes are developed and seemingly the varying development that went into each branching, that seems to be the most "canon" run through of the story. All the other classes feel like the main story was adjusted in order to make them "fit" into it. Although I do appreciate the little unique variations that are given.

I always enjoy the imperial agent stories, and the Sith are pretty good (for the same reasons as the first paragraph). Haven't gone through the BH yet, but it sounds good

 

From that perspective the story telling and development (until the point at which it goes KOTOR non-speaking style, which is its own topic) for each character are enjoyable, it is just hard to imagine the fate of the entire galaxy resting on a "scruffy looking nerf herder" (smuggler) for instance. I think that is what made the origin stories, which gave each character a vital, but unique and separate, role in the fate of the galaxy. Probably not feasible in expansions due to cost.

 

The downside is that it is a cookie cutter role for every character, but the fun of the expansion is that you CAN play through the story with any character/class you like and have a viable story.

 

On my Jedi Knight I had an impression that cutscenes were especially designed for Guardian/Jugg. More so if it is true that shooting classes don't use their full arsenal in cutscened fights (BH and Commando just shooting their blasters?).

That being said, in first 3 chapters my BH fit better than my JK.

Why:

my JK is a very strong force user and arguably the best duelist there is. I would assume he would meet his match in Arcann and Veilyn, not be easily outclassed by them. Being a LS he would never

 

stab Valkorion in the back

 

and even being weakened by the carbonite he would have opened that door Beniko struggled so much with.

Also running in panic from Veilyn isn't a JK style. The same could be said for SW I suppose.

 

BH on the other hand: we knew we were strong, we knew we were deadly. And given the right planning we are able to take out almost anyone. But we're not in an illusion that we can fight our way out of the throne room, kill 3 most powerful force users we've ever seen and their minions just with our hand blaster.

Assassinate Valkorion? -could be done, but on our terms, not in handcuffs.

Kneel? why not, we don't care, if it's what it takes to survive. We take money from powerful figures, we take orders from powerful figures. If they go too far they will pay, just like Darth Tormen.

Escape -no problem. Not being that much interested in galaxy's fate: well we have more pressing issues at hand, like staying alive.

 

What I'm trying to say: with my LS JK I often felt out of character in KOTFE, like my Knight would never to that, never agreed to some etc. With my grey BH in first 3 chapters I have no such problems. He acts as he would have in those circumstances. That's why it fits for me. I guess I can live with few ill prepared fight cutscenes as long as my BH affinity stays the way I like it.

[MallorHan]

KOFTE story dont fit in non force classes, this story was made specifically for force classes. I dont see Vitiiate/Valkorion show interest in a BH or a Smuggler, that just doesnt make sense at all, i just hit space with these classes to rush to 65, because for me it's not canon.

The JK fits perfectly in the story, is like a continuation of the class chapters, after all the JK was the only one that had a face to face encounter with the Sith emperor.

 

Bioware in the future should do a story for force users and non force users

Edited November 2, 2015 by MallorHan

[sojhill]

KOFTE story dont fit in non force classes, this story was made specifically for force classes. I dont see Vitiiate/Valkorion show interest in a BH or a Smuggler, that just doesnt make sense at all, i just hit space with these classes to rush to 65, because for me it's not canon.

The JK fits perfectly in the story, is like a continuation of the class chapters, after all the JK was the only one that had a face to face encounter with the Sith emperor.

 

Bioware in the future should do a story for force users and non force users

 

You should think opposite. Without force, you become a legendary asset to end of a wicked era. Rather than brusting force, you outplayed both Republic and Empire with your wits. Your actions build an alliance with sworn enemies and relase Valkarion to full potential. If a "man" can do this much of impact to galaxy without force(A.K.A. power of the chosens), it is normal to peek his interest. He will wnat to know what is in your mind, how you survive both factions power struggle. You are a simple man yet you became a legend. How? What you have which other sronger rivals don't? It's a quite a thrill if you ask me.

[Djiini]

KOFTE story dont fit in non force classes, this story was made specifically for force classes. I dont see Vitiiate/Valkorion show interest in a BH or a Smuggler, that just doesnt make sense at all, i just hit space with these classes to rush to 65, because for me it's not canon.

The JK fits perfectly in the story, is like a continuation of the class chapters, after all the JK was the only one that had a face to face encounter with the Sith emperor.

 

Bioware in the future should do a story for force users and non force users

 

The Sith Warrior meets the Emperor face-to-face just as much as the Jedi Knight, lol, since you're using the Emperor's Voice as that metric.

[adormitul]

In shadow of Revan the JK and SW where the only that where addressed directly by Vitiate and I do not mean Ziost, I mean after we defeated Revan.

They are special compared to the rest.

[DarthTyranid]

In shadow of Revan the JK and SW where the only that where addressed directly by Vitiate and I do not mean Ziost, I mean after we defeated Revan.

They are special compared to the rest.

 

On my Wrath I am repeatedly telling the Emperor I am still loyal and still serve him whenever it gives me the chance. I am the Emperor's Wrath, not the Empires Wrath.

 

Bioware does not seem to understand the concept of true loyalty.

[Hathur]

I'm finding Smuggler feels WAAY out of place in this story. I love my smuggler, but let's face it the smuggler is just a really skilled with a gun... Valkorian's interest in the outlander (when a smuggler) seems really out of place when he talks about how important or powerful she is etc etc... when really, sh'es not... she's not some ultimate hero of the galaxy or whatever, she's just a really good mercenary who excels at illegitimate business... putting the weight of the galaxy on her / his shoulders just feels really weird.

 

It works with a Jedi / Sith or even the Trooper (I can the see the trooper being a powerful symbol and leader despite the fact they have no special superhuman abilities like jedi or sith).. but the smuggler doesn't fit the role at all so the whole playthrough in Kotfe has had me going: "Really... you all want me to save you all? Me, the smart mouthed gal with a penchant for groin kicking?... um, ok, i guess"

 

Great story with many of the classes, but smuggler isn't working well at all for me with it.

[Amadahy]

I second those who have said smuggler feels odd. I have taken both of my mains through KotFE, and she is the only one who doesn't quite fit. Don't get me wrong, I'm still playing her, but just a little off.

 

My Agent, on the other hand, fits in perfectly to the story. After all she has been through, and done, it seems appropriate that she would be the Outlander. Saved from the nightmare to save the galaxy, again.

[hadoken]

On my Wrath I am repeatedly telling the Emperor I am still loyal and still serve him whenever it gives me the chance. I am the Emperor's Wrath, not the Empires Wrath.

 

Bioware does not seem to understand the concept of true loyalty.

 

Yea they really tried to hammer in Ziost that you aren't anymore and should just be like everyone else. At least in this expansion you CAN sort of align with the Emperor again (by kneeling and accepting all his power whenever he offers).

[Billupsat]

I feel that the story was really designed around some force user (specifically a JK) in the main role, facing his own unexpected weakness (after being the hero of the galaxy) and tempted to utilize a dark/grey method to gain the power necessary to overcome the adversity or to remain true at the risk of dying and failing the entire galaxy (which of course won't happen) simply because this is just the star wars (and the games) modus operandi

 

Judging by the way the cut scenes are developed and seemingly the varying development that went into each branching, that seems to be the most "canon" run through of the story. All the other classes feel like the main story was adjusted in order to make them "fit" into it. Although I do appreciate the little unique variations that are given.

I always enjoy the imperial agent stories, and the Sith are pretty good (for the same reasons as the first paragraph). Haven't gone through the BH yet, but it sounds good

 

From that perspective the story telling and development (until the point at which it goes KOTOR non-speaking style, which is its own topic) for each character are enjoyable, it is just hard to imagine the fate of the entire galaxy resting on a "scruffy looking nerf herder" (smuggler) for instance. I think that is what made the origin stories, which gave each character a vital, but unique and separate, role in the fate of the galaxy. Probably not feasible in expansions due to cost.

 

The downside is that it is a cookie cutter role for every character, but the fun of the expansion is that you CAN play through the story with any character/class you like and have a viable story.

 

On the contrary to me it feels like it was designed with everyone in mind, and really it doesn't make sense from a design standpoint to design an expansion with only 1 class in mind considering that's potentially alienating 7/8ths of the playerbase if its rather obvious. The Bounty Hunter feels just as right in this expansion as the Jedi Knight or the Smuggler, some people however have 'emperor' tunnel vision since he was originally supposed to be exclusive to the Knight and Warrior storylines and therefore can't see any other class fitting the story.

[fdbgjfdhjgkjdhsg]

I need to try BH but so far I'm using a SI. The story works real well so far for a SI. You get the feeling that your character is a bit of a power hungry moron which is pretty much what he/she is throughout the entire game.

[Billupsat]

In shadow of Revan the JK and SW where the only that where addressed directly by Vitiate and I do not mean Ziost, I mean after we defeated Revan.

They are special compared to the rest.

 

As far I know, only the Sith Warrior got a special mention at the end of SoR. The Jedi Knight was just as ignored as the other six classes.

[jstankaroslo]

On the contrary to me it feels like it was designed with everyone in mind, and really it doesn't make sense from a design standpoint to design an expansion with only 1 class in mind considering that's potentially alienating 7/8ths of the playerbase if its rather obvious. The Bounty Hunter feels just as right in this expansion as the Jedi Knight or the Smuggler, some people however have 'emperor' tunnel vision since he was originally supposed to be exclusive to the Knight and Warrior storylines and therefore can't see any other class fitting the story.

 

It can always work out better for some classes than other. Writers aren't perfect, and it might be not possible to do a perfect story for all 8 different classes.

That being said, it worked IMO well for Jedi Knight, and it works even better for Bounty Hunter.

Non Force users aren't committed to light/dark dichotomy. For LS Jedi accepting Valkorion's offer would mean falling to the dark side. No such problems for Hunter or Trooper.

Sith accepting the offer would end up with another master above them. I believe Inquisitor is done with masters, they're Darths and their own masters now. No Sith who rose to power would accept a new master. Marr seemed to understand that. DS Wrath might be slightly different, as they see themselves as a tool.

 

So all in all non Force users are IMO better suited to all aspects of KotFE story. The destiny factor also comes in: you don't have to be a Force user to achieve incredible feats.

[adormitul]

As far I know, only the Sith Warrior got a special mention at the end of SoR. The Jedi Knight was just as ignored as the other six classes.

 

Yeah you are right I guess now we know who the true hero actually is on KOTFE. It does make sense in the end he saved Vitiate from his prison on Voss he defeated his enemies he is know for his martial prowess and power in the force and the best thing is he is capable thing that can not be said about the previous wrath also the emperor chose him to be his wrath for a reason.

Edited November 3, 2015 by adormitul