The problem is..

[BFBHitmarkers]

Today's generation of gamers.

 

I remember back in my day, buying a game..playing it..and being happy. Today's generation have such a sense of self entitlement.

 

It's a game, it's going to have bugs, it's going to have problems..deal with it. Am I irritated that when I try to commit my utility points in the middle of an operation, that it doesn't work? yes. Am I annoyed that people complained about the game being too hard, and now they are complaining about it being too easy? Hell yes.

 

But what I am most annoyed about is the amount of cry-babies on the forums.

 

First off, if you are F2P..shut yo dam* mouf..you have no opinion here.

 

Second, if you are a sub..and think threatning to unsub is going to change something..you have no power here. No one cares if you unsub..especially the devs.

 

This game is the way it is because of the majority of the PLAYERS..not the devs. I remember a time when SWTOR was on the brink of failing..and then they released the cartel market. All of a sudden..the game came back to life. The people that spend $100's on the CM are the reason half of the content does not work. The dev's don't have to put forth the effort..because they get most of their profit from the CM.

 

In the end..F2P, shut it..P2P unsub threats..no power/no care.

 

quit yer betch'n

 

---End Rant--

[Djiini]

That's why you only see whiners on the forums @ self-entitlement, it's all subs paying money. Everywhere else I see nothing but praise for the game and KOTFE.

[Eillack]

Back in the day, companies made sure their games had quality, and that if they screwed up, they were going to get an earful.

 

Now a days, companies just push anyone aside who doesn't like their half-finished or poorly implemented choices, and hope that the next short-term wave of unsuspecting gamers, make up for any loses.

 

But in regards to people unsubbing having no power....remember not long after launch and a huge chunk unsubbed, and BW had to quickly swap to F2P...?

Edited October 29, 2015 by Eillack

[BFBHitmarkers]

But in regards to people unsubbing having no power....remember not long after launch and a huge chunk unsubbed, and BW had to quickly swap to F2P...?

 

I'm referring to people thinking they have power by threatening with unsub on the forums. It's like they think by saying "unsub" that they are automatically going to have their greatest wishes granted

[Spyderwoman]

Its how kids are raised over last ten years...kids get away with so much that us older generation just shake our heads at. Self entitlement as its best. Its unfortunate indeed

[dbears]

@OP just FYI only some of the utilities are bugged. If you enable them one at a time you'll be able to filter out the ones that are currently bugged.

[TUXs]

But what I am most annoyed about is the amount of cry-babies on the forums.

 

First off, if you are F2P..shut yo dam* mouf..you have no opinion here.

 

Second, if you are a sub..and think threatning to unsub is going to change something..you have no power here. No one cares if you unsub..especially the devs.

 

quit yer betch'n

 

---End Rant--

Ironic...you calling other "cry-babies" while posting that huh?

 

F2P can't post on the forums...you should know that before incorrectly calling them out.

 

Subs = revenue. No revenue, no job...the Devs do care. They don't make what they make with the hopes of people not enjoying it. To assume that is just silly.

 

The only one I see "betch'n", is you.

[Sarfux]

It's called the self entitlement or "me" generation. Kids who are now coming into their teens or in their late teens were raised that way. Everything was about them and nothing was said to hurt their feelings or anything. So when something doesn't go their way as they grow up, they stomp around and throw a temper tantrum because they are used to being treated like something is owed to them. Therefore they are confused as to why it's not happening the way they want. It comes out as anger because they are very angry it's not going the way THEY want it to go.

 

There is a huge lack of patience these days also. Success takes time.

[GythralSWTOR]

Roflmao

[HanoverFist]

Everyone that posted here gets a trophy for participation in this thread. There are no losers , only winners.

 

/wink

Edited October 30, 2015 by HanoverFist

[SteveTheCynic]

So when something doesn't go their way as they grow up, they stomp around and throw a temper tantrum because they are used to being treated like something is owed to them.

A couple of years ago, I was in a McDonalds in a French railway station and I saw someone do just that. It was a perfectly-executed foot-stamping tantrum, like you rarely see.

 

She was about three years old, and she was wasting her effort, because her mother wasn't impressed at all. I felt like applauding the performance, "Bravo, petite! Bien joué", but I don't think the mother would have thanked me for it.

[Thunderstriken]

But what I am most annoyed about is the amount of cry-babies on the forums.

 

You've started a brand new thread complaining about complainers. Such ironic hypocritical originality.

[Thunderstriken]

It's called the self entitlement or "me" generation. Kids who are now coming into their teens or in their late teens were raised that way. Everything was about them and nothing was said to hurt their feelings or anything. So when something doesn't go their way as they grow up, they stomp around and throw a temper tantrum because they are used to being treated like something is owed to them. Therefore they are confused as to why it's not happening the way they want. It comes out as anger because they are very angry it's not going the way THEY want it to go.

 

There is a huge lack of patience these days also. Success takes time.

 

Such claptrap. Entitlement is the new buzzword everyone is tossing around in an attempt to distance themselves from reality, without really understanding what it means or if it fits in the context of what they are saying. "Oh, you want something? It's because you have an unfounded sense of entitlement! Grow up. When I want something it's because I've EARNED it."

 

Teenagers have ALWAYS been demanding and self centered. Grumpy old men have always been demanding and self centered as well. They feel their choices and actions in life have earned them everything under the Sun, and anyone who doesn't do exactly what they have done and think exactly as they think shouldn't have anything at all. So in their grumpy old minds they perceive everyone else as trying to steal a piece of what they've earned.

[Pagy]

First off, if you are F2P..shut yo dam* mouf..you have no opinion here.

 

Second, if you are a sub..and think threatning to unsub is going to change something..you have no power here. No one cares if you unsub..especially the devs.

1) f2p can't post here, and if you think they aren't entitled to opinions, then you're wrong

2) our money is the only reason and only thing bw SHOULD listen to. threats are empty unless people follow through. but if they dont care if people are cancelling subs then this game is already dead.

3) your post is dripping with entitlement, fyi. who are you to tell people what they should or shouldnt do, say and think?

[ZionHalcyon]

Today's generation of gamers.

 

I remember back in my day, buying a game..playing it..and being happy. Today's generation have such a sense of self entitlement.

 

It's a game, it's going to have bugs, it's going to have problems..deal with it. Am I irritated that when I try to commit my utility points in the middle of an operation, that it doesn't work? yes. Am I annoyed that people complained about the game being too hard, and now they are complaining about it being too easy? Hell yes.

 

But what I am most annoyed about is the amount of cry-babies on the forums.

 

First off, if you are F2P..shut yo dam* mouf..you have no opinion here.

 

Second, if you are a sub..and think threatning to unsub is going to change something..you have no power here. No one cares if you unsub..especially the devs.

 

This game is the way it is because of the majority of the PLAYERS..not the devs. I remember a time when SWTOR was on the brink of failing..and then they released the cartel market. All of a sudden..the game came back to life. The people that spend $100's on the CM are the reason half of the content does not work. The dev's don't have to put forth the effort..because they get most of their profit from the CM.

 

In the end..F2P, shut it..P2P unsub threats..no power/no care.

 

quit yer betch'n

 

---End Rant--

 

 

Too simplistic.

 

 

Sorry.

 

 

Compared to yesteryear, today's developers are under pressure by major studios to churn out profitable games, often at the sacrifice of quality. They are given working conditions and benefits that would not fly as humane in any other occupation, and their love of games is used against them.

 

So what we have now are generic, inferior products that all look alike, play alike, and don't really seek to innovate and be different. There are few "Perfect Dark"s or "Earthworm Jim's" anymore.

 

On top of that, you have growing hostility indeed from the player base for having inferior and unfinished products dumped on them, and the development teams, who can't blame their studios or else they will be out of a job, then turn and blame the players for essentially "being mean", which only further infuriates the players who payed money to play a good game, not an unfinished one.

 

Add to that the hostility over gamergate, where some women are indeed discriminated in the industry, but then other professional fame seekers are trying to capitalize and make things up about some of the treatment of women in the industry in order to get their own 15 minutes, and on top of that the "payola" style of reviews of games where publishers are paying off gaming mags for favorable reviews, and seeding game forums with schills to shut down any negative talk about their game, and what it all comes down it is a huge distrust of the entire industry.

 

Players don't trust developers, developers don't trust players and blame them for the mistreatment caused by their own producers, all while wondering if once a game is finished they will even have a job - there have been horror stories of entire teams being let go at a game's launch party for the team.

 

So, sorry, to simply blame the players is myopic. Its a crudhole industry. I am not someone who is normally pro-union, and I think with current labor laws, the idea of a union is passé given how corrupted and political they have become. However, if there is one industry left that can truly benefit from what a union was intended to be, it is the gaming industry.

 

I think if the working conditions and job security could somehow be forced to improve, it would lead to less cranky developers, it would force producers to better plan their releases rather than forcing people to work 80+ hour weeks to meet a holiday crunch, and in turn, the developers would be less apt to take out their frustrations on the players, who would generally be happier because they would be getting more complete games.

 

 

That's certainly a far better answer than your "its the players' fault".

Edited October 29, 2015 by ZionHalcyon

[jrwellworth]

I was gonna do a post with the whole Valkorian telling his sons the things they are entitled to from the trailer, but it's early, and my kids think they are entitled to breakfast. It's the thought that counts though right?

[ZeroTypeR]

Its how kids are raised over last ten years...kids get away with so much that us older generation just shake our heads at. Self entitlement as its best. Its unfortunate indeed

 

Pretty much.

[Ferretstalker]

The problem isn't the players, it's Bioware's inability to commit to their own product.

 

They could have made a wonderfully crafted story that worked off their MMO design, and instead chose to redo everything and start from scratch with what amounts to a singleplayer game with a chat room.

[Aries_cz]

The problem isn't the players, it's Bioware's inability to commit to their own product.

 

They could have made a wonderfully crafted story that worked off their MMO design, and instead chose to redo everything and start from scratch with what amounts to a singleplayer game with a chat room.

 

Which is what a great deal of players wanted...

[Qui_Jon]

Today's generation of gamers.

 

I remember back in my day, buying a game..playing it..and being happy. Today's generation have such a sense of self entitlement.

 

It's a game, it's going to have bugs, it's going to have problems..deal with it. Am I irritated that when I try to commit my utility points in the middle of an operation, that it doesn't work? yes. Am I annoyed that people complained about the game being too hard, and now they are complaining about it being too easy? Hell yes.

 

But what I am most annoyed about is the amount of cry-babies on the forums.

 

First off, if you are F2P..shut yo dam* mouf..you have no opinion here.

 

Second, if you are a sub..and think threatning to unsub is going to change something..you have no power here. No one cares if you unsub..especially the devs.

 

This game is the way it is because of the majority of the PLAYERS..not the devs. I remember a time when SWTOR was on the brink of failing..and then they released the cartel market. All of a sudden..the game came back to life. The people that spend $100's on the CM are the reason half of the content does not work. The dev's don't have to put forth the effort..because they get most of their profit from the CM.

 

In the end..F2P, shut it..P2P unsub threats..no power/no care.

 

quit yer betch'n

 

---End Rant--

First off free to play don't get to post on forums, so great of you to know nothing. As for us subscribers that are unhappy, well that is just to damn bad for you that you have to hear about it. Oh that's right you don't, if you don't want to read about it stop opening threads that are being critical of the current state of the game.

 

As for why this game is this way, it has nothing, and has never had anything to do with what players want. It has to do with what EA and BW want, which is more revenue. The original game design led to drops in subscriptions so they developed the F2P model with the cartel market. That model has still led to lower revenue now because free to play players really have no intention of ever subbing (which is the point of the system we have, give you enough to try the game out but take away enough that you eventually will sub to get a more complete experience) So as a result we get 4.0 which is basically a single player game charging you at MMO rates for playing it.

 

So sunshine think about this. The cartel market is not really driven by people that wanted to play for free and spend hundreds of dollars in the market a month. Its driven by those that already sub, and still continue to buy items for their own pleasure. So if those players do decide to stop playing then they are not only taking their subs but their spending in the market as well. So take it anyway you want but less players means less money in every form and from every source. So I find it funny this "don't let the door hit you.." attitude people have to saying they are upset by the current nature of this game after this expansion. It IS a dramatic change of direction and though sure right now server populations look up, they always do after an expansion. the question really is does this change in game style constitute a shift that will keep people playing 3-4 months from now. And many of us don't think it is, and know its not for us.