sentientomega Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Honestly, why are they even a thing anymore? There are only so many times you can run Black Talon/Esseles to bypass a nonsensical restriction... EDIT: Only purchasable gear or world drops OUTSIDE of LS/DS vendors... Edited October 26, 2015 by sentientomega
Nihilkult Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Now that's a suggestion I'm totally backing. I don't like having to make choices for my character based on "wait I don't want him to be less - Obscurity - because I want my fortress to be a Sith Academy". I don't want to be punished because I have a neutral character too. Even though ok, ds / ls stuff is not THAT relevant but still... Edited October 26, 2015 by Nihilkult
ChrispyBass Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 That alignment restricted gear doesn't even come into play when you've leveled your character. If the gear was an obstacle for progress of any sort, then sure I would agree. With how it works, it's unnecessary to remove it.
Aeristash Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Disagree. Some equipment in the starwars universe is inherently light/neutral/dark, such as the Solari crystal that can only be used by one in complete alignment with the light. Removing alignment restrictions off all equipment feels like killing off lore identity for the sake of efficiency, which I'm wholeheartedly against.
sentientomega Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Disagree. Some equipment in the starwars universe is inherently light/neutral/dark, such as the Solari crystal that can only be used by one in complete alignment with the light. Removing alignment restrictions off all equipment feels like killing off lore identity for the sake of efficiency, which I'm wholeheartedly against. Well, I'll give you that one. However: http://tor-fashion.com/lightsaber-of-vengeful-mastery/ If this saber model was easily obtainable for Reps as it is for Imps, I'd have no issue; the only easily obtainable Rep-side saber is Light II (2000 LS points, eight Esseles runs equivalent, slow as hell post-4.0) and for dark Jedi, a Dark I saber of the same model. Though maybe not anymore with the DS I saber though, since BW gimped vendors. I'll check that one out, it may not be there anymore. Those sabers I listed are not famous, nor infamous, in fact, the one in the link doesn't have an alignment, and again, if it was available to Rep players as easily as for Imps, likely we wouldn't be having this conversation. Edited October 26, 2015 by sentientomega
hadoken Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Those sabers are an artifact of when color crystals were alignment locked. They just never got around to unlocking the saber hilts along with them. I agree for those, they should have the restrictions removed. They're not iconic or lore based, it's an echo of an older, poorer, game design. Edited October 26, 2015 by hadoken
sentientomega Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Those sabers are an artifact of when color crystals were alignment locked. They just never got around to unlocking the saber hilts along with them. I agree for those, they should have the restrictions removed. They're not iconic or lore based, it's an echo of an older, poorer, game design. Yes, at the very least, all gear should be gated only by LS/DS I, as at least one alignment level either way can be a fair indication of where a character is headed. Edited October 26, 2015 by sentientomega
sentientomega Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) http://tor-fashion.com/vile-strategist-lightsaber/ Is no longer obtainable, I repeat, NO LONGER obtainable. The Black Talon/Esseles vendors (Special Goods)a need to add each other's weapons to each other's vendors, so that no matter the faction, we can all get some nice low-level weapons. Failing any of this, we need to be able to customise max alignment from the level 60 character creation screen, so our chars can start out as they probably would start KotFE, Dark V, or Light V. Edited October 26, 2015 by sentientomega
Aeristash Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Yes, at the very least, all gear should be gated only by LS/DS I, as at least one alignment level either way can be a fair indication of where a character is headed. Agreed.
SteveTheCynic Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Well, I'll give you that one. However: http://tor-fashion.com/lightsaber-of-vengeful-mastery/ If this saber model was easily obtainable for Reps as it is for Imps, I'd have no issue; the only easily obtainable Rep-side saber is Light II (2000 LS points, eight Esseles runs equivalent, slow as hell post-4.0) and for dark Jedi, a Dark I saber of the same model. Though maybe not anymore with the DS I saber though, since BW gimped vendors. I'll check that one out, it may not be there anymore. Those sabers I listed are not famous, nor infamous, in fact, the one in the link doesn't have an alignment, and again, if it was available to Rep players as easily as for Imps, likely we wouldn't be having this conversation. Forgive me for being overly dense or something, and anyway for having completely missed your point here, but my experience is that every force-using character is, these days, given moddable lightsabres of the types and number needed for his class. (Mara/Sent and Sorc/Sage = 1, Jugg/Guard = 2, Sin/Shadow = 1 normal + 1 double-blade). Why is anyone fussing over these sabres? (More important is why I keep getting level 27 Dark-II relics dropping pub-side...)
sentientomega Posted October 27, 2015 Author Posted October 27, 2015 Forgive me for being overly dense or something, and anyway for having completely missed your point here, but my experience is that every force-using character is, these days, given moddable lightsabres of the types and number needed for his class. (Mara/Sent and Sorc/Sage = 1, Jugg/Guard = 2, Sin/Shadow = 1 normal + 1 double-blade). Why is anyone fussing over these sabres? (More important is why I keep getting level 27 Dark-II relics dropping pub-side...) I like the look of the hilt in the link, it's really the only saber model I've ever truly felt comfortable with, that particular one in the link has just the regular standard sound; unlike the ones we get with our insta-60s, for Rep saber-wielders, I have to do 8 Esseles runs to get meet the Light II requirement for the most easily obtainable of these, 14 common crystals for the most easily obtainable Imp one. This latest suggestion of mine that I'm about to mention may help story immersion, if BW:A allowed us, when making a fresh 60, to pick Dark V or Light V (by the time you do everything up to KotFE, provided you're consistent, you'll typically reach one of these long before reaching SoR, even) as an alignment level, before we began; it could reflect the unseen path our characters traveled.
SteveTheCynic Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 I have to do 8 Esseles runs to get meet the Light II requirement Justify your assertion that it takes 8 runs, please. Do you always finish Tython with exactly neutral status? Yes, there are imbalances between factions, and between classes. An SI cannot easily get Dark I on Korriban, while an SW can, for example. Another example: before 4.0, Troopers and Smugglers had access on their starter world to three H2+ heroics that all gave 3 basic comms, something that no other classes had (Jedi had NO comm-giving heroics). During 12xXP, my Sorc made level 16 on Korriban just by doing all available quests once each, with no foe-grinding. None of my other classes made above level 15, and a few only managed level 14. However, this particular imbalance of gear availability seems a bit odd.
sentientomega Posted October 27, 2015 Author Posted October 27, 2015 Justify your assertion that it takes 8 runs, please. Do you always finish Tython with exactly neutral status? Yes, there are imbalances between factions, and between classes. An SI cannot easily get Dark I on Korriban, while an SW can, for example. Another example: before 4.0, Troopers and Smugglers had access on their starter world to three H2+ heroics that all gave 3 basic comms, something that no other classes had (Jedi had NO comm-giving heroics). During 12xXP, my Sorc made level 16 on Korriban just by doing all available quests once each, with no foe-grinding. None of my other classes made above level 15, and a few only managed level 14. However, this particular imbalance of gear availability seems a bit odd. The Esseles gives 250 LS points spread across two parts, 150, then 100, over the course of the flashpoint; you misunderstand, I'm talking about instant 60s, who have never physically been to Tython, and are made, starting out with a totally neutral alignment. Therefore, from 0 to 2000 (Light II) makes 8 Esseles runs, each yielding 250 LS points. Again, this has nothing to do with Tython, this has everything to do with an instant-60's starting alignment, which is 0.
SteveTheCynic Posted October 28, 2015 Posted October 28, 2015 The Esseles gives 250 LS points spread across two parts, 150, then 100, over the course of the flashpoint; you misunderstand, I'm talking about instant 60s, who have never physically been to Tython, and are made, starting out with a totally neutral alignment. Therefore, from 0 to 2000 (Light II) makes 8 Esseles runs, each yielding 250 LS points. Again, this has nothing to do with Tython, this has everything to do with an instant-60's starting alignment, which is 0. OK, yeah, sorry. I mis-read what you were talking about. I know SLS gives 250 Light, but I was thinking about adoptive Tythonians rather than insta60s. On your comment on the ease of getting Light/Dark V before SoR: my Commando (now 65, finishing up a left-over purple quest on Ilum before going to Zakuul) got Light V while on Voss without farming SLS nor any other flashpoint. She did get light points from BBA hits when they were available, and I was only preferred the whole time. (Voss was hard work, because I was under-level the whole time with an inadequately developed rotation and marginal gear. These days I'm a bit stronger... In the solo-mode Battle for Ilum FP, I was ripping aggro from the Jesus Droid ffs! This is worth doing in boss fights, because the droid is over there beating on the boss, and now the boss has broken off the fight to come and beat me up, and now the droid has taunted it, so it's on its way back and it still isn't fighting!)
sentientomega Posted October 28, 2015 Author Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) What I could use is a list of solo mod FPs that give alignment, aside from BT/Esseles, and exploration missions and heroics that give an alignment; it's light alignment points I'm looking for... The only alignment guides I've read are way too old, about 3-4 years out of date. EDIT: Okay, on my guardian, fresh 60, I got Light II in a couple of hours, through 1 Esseles run (250), and spamming those Diplomacy missions while doing heroics, one of which got me an extra 50 LS points. Now at +2038... Edited October 28, 2015 by sentientomega
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