Ferrnitty Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 mk-8's going for 90k is a riot. Hell mk-10's were only 40k prior. Opportunist are horribad. It's one thing to make a profit and another thing entirely to do what's happening now. And then for every guy selling to price fix. Man that's bad on another level entirely. I know I'm gonna get flamed by the it's not hard at get money guys but.......by saying that you more than prove my point. Setting mk-8's at the same price mk-10's were you would still be making a profit handoverfiste!
Jooks Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I do not understand your rage, it is perfectly simple economics at this point. Demand is far higher than supply at the moment. If they are selling quickly at the price you say why would/should crafters sell for half the price?
thereter Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Yeah, im definitely gonna keep selling them for 90k. I saved up 3 stacks of mk-10 because i knew this would happen. Dont get mad because you didn't prepare. Edited October 26, 2015 by thereter
Ferrnitty Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 I have multi-millions saved from fairly pricing mats it's not an issue to me I'm just disgusted by the mentality. My toons are fully augd despite the rise in price. All I'm saying is one can still turn a profit not gouging. There's no rage in my post.
psandak Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Ferrnitty, One man's gouging/over pricing is another man's value for quicker acquisition. An individual should not judge what items have what value. The market does that naturally through supply and demand. high demand = high value low supply = high value high demand AND low supply = exponentially higher value. The last statement is where we are currently, and so value extremely high.
Jooks Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) There's plenty of rage in your post. You can't simply state the cost of materials is free because of the cost involved and farming them because then you have the opportunity cost of selling the materials you gathered instead of crafting a kit so basically the material cost is the same whether or not you gathered it yourself or bought them off the GTN. If you simply bought the necessary materials for one MK-8 off the GTN to craft it, right now on the Harbringer GTN it would cost 35k in materials. So if people sold them for the previous price of about 40-43k the profit margin is not that great. This does not take into account the time to actually craft all the necessary components. Edited October 26, 2015 by Jooks
Ferrnitty Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 There's plenty of rage in your post. You can't simply state the cost of materials is free because of the cost involved and farming them because then you have the opportunity cost of selling the materials you gathered instead of crafting a kit so basically the material cost is the same whether or not you gathered it yourself or bought them off the GTN. If you simply bought the necessary materials for one MK-8 off the GTN to craft it, right now on the Harbringer GTN it would cost 35k in materials. So if people sold them for the previous price of about 40-43k the profit margin is not that great. This does not take into account the time to actually craft all the necessary components. As previously stated 0 rage but plenty of disgust. I'm well aware of the time and effort required in crafting. This does not mitigate the gouging observation I alluded to.
Khevar Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) As previously stated 0 rage but plenty of disgust. I'm well aware of the time and effort required in crafting. This does not mitigate the gouging observation I alluded to. More likely what is happening is: 1. Someone makes X item. 2. Shift clicks on name in GTN search. 3. Sorts by price descending. 4. Lists for next lowest price. No grand conspiracy, malicious intent or greedy tasteless capitalism is required. When people aren't willing to pay that much, supply starts to grow, and people have to keep lowering and lowering the price to actually get a sale. Since that isn't happening, it simply means a high-demand item. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that the MK-8 market is doing as well as it is -- everyone that had already augmented their gear prior to 4.0 didn't need to purchase any new kits. Everything I've been wearing on all of my toons was already augmented with the "auto translation" of MK-10 to MK-8. Anyway. "Price gouging" is actually rather difficult to do on such an easy-to-make item. Many (if not most) of the customers could probably make their own, but choose not to simply out of convenience. Edited October 26, 2015 by Khevar
joenewbie Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) "fair" pricing is an odd thing with virtual currency. If all was fair we'd just put it in the window and accept whatever automatic price comes up for the items. I don't think anybody does this unless they're in a hurry. What I try to do is figure out how much I spent to make the thing add 20% to that to make it worth my time, and then I check the GTN for how much the thing is actually going for, before I make it with the purpose of doing so for profit. If I'm not going to make my 20% off the top, I simply don't make it, but if the thing is selling for 100% more than what it costs to make, I have room to undercut others on price, but I usually am only aggressive about that when I can sell a stack in bulk. If I can sell 20 of a thing in one shot, that makes it easier on me rather than having to post 20 items on the GTN I can just stack and sell them all at once... so I discount that, as long as I'm still making enough to make it worth making. I'm good to go. Two things mess this up, supply and demand, the market will right itself eventually. Because X is going for a lot more than it's worth, more crafters will make it and thus drive down the price, there is always a lag between when the profit is highest and when the supply starts driving the price down, that's when you can do best... in the lag. Some people make 500 of the thing and flood the market, at that point it's no wonder the value drops like crazy. I make 20 of a thing, throw it in my storage, and then sell 2 at a time. So as not to put all 20 out there at once. It's artificially controlling the supply to keep the value higher. It's no different than in the real world how oil, or gold or diamonds have their values manipulated.. .diamonds especially... they're not rare, they're plentiful, but you wouldn't know it to look in a jewelry store window would you? It's why our currency is fiat rather than tied to the gold standard anymore, the value of gold could be manipulated to hurt the economy so they aren't "gold backed dollars" anymore. Simple economics. Edited October 26, 2015 by joenewbie
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