mahoneygang Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 http://i.imgur.com/cVxH34n.jpg The ELO-system is simply not viable for a game like swtor. I decided to play my 1st 10 solo ranked matches and it gave me a rating which i had to work 150 matches for last season. Rating should not be dependant on first 10 matches but just let everyone start with 1200 rating. With the current system bads who have luck on their side can get higher rating than they should have, its easier for wintraders to have high rating, and it does not encourage people to play a lot of matches which means the ranked queues will be less populated. TLDR: make ppl start at 1200 rating not 800 or 1700 after 10 matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackNader Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Huge flaw lol. Get in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahoneygang Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Huge flaw lol. Get in line. What are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 What are you referring to? there are a lot of problems with ranked and class balance in general for pvp presently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahoneygang Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 there are a lot of problems with ranked and class balance in general for pvp presently. This is true, however i think its more important to fix stuff that makes most people NOT play ranked, whatever that is. Both are important issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwei Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 They should implement a 1v1 pvp, then ELO would be worth something here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 TLDR: make ppl start at 1200 rating not 800 or 1700 after 10 matches I think it's a huge flaw in the system that people start with a 1200 Rating in Pre-10...at least that is how the matchmaking system perceives them. That's the beginning of the mess right there. Everyone knows that without X-Server, SWTOR PvP doesn't have the populations on any server to support proper ELO matchmaking in Yolo, let alone 4s. The system should be scrapped completely and replaced with one that just bases Ratings on Wins earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLaaNie Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 What does "ELO" stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butwaldgrim Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 What does "ELO" stand for? I believe the devs call it "Electric Light Orchestra". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teclado Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Just require more than 10 matches to get a rating. More like 50 - 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkiestj Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 there are a lot of problems with ranked and class balance in general for pvp presently. biggest problem is matchmaking not being cross-faction. I must have had 5-8 matches in a row where I (a bad guardian tank, now rated in the 800s) faced no-russian (#8 shadow/assassin on bastion) as my opposite. Did I mention that for several arenas we kept getting the same sage healer who had no crystals equipped in MH or OH? I'm pretty bad but my rating on imp side is not nearly as bad as pub side despite the fact that I use the same gear and play the same class. Of course the fact that I have not been queue sync-ing nor dodging (e.g. I didn't stop queuing when I kept getting the no crystals healer) is probably has a big impact. If we had cross faction matchmaking then at least no-russian could get our crystalless healer half the time. It is what it is. If I cared more I probably would be queue syncing and dodging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teclado Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Playing the queue dodge game probably has more of an effect on one's rating than actually being good does. What does "ELO" stand for? Allow me to google that for you. Edited March 5, 2015 by teclado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackmac Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I was going to make a post about exactly the same thing. I think the biggest flaw is the rating assignment after the first ten matches. I started going through my servers players and comparing their starting rating to their final rating. It isn't exact science because the leaderboards do not show the actual rating after 10 matches but from the graph you can estimate it based off their rating of the first day. The main thing I noticed is that 90% of the players stay within 150 points of their beginning rating. So the real skill of the players is determined by how much rating they actually gain after the first 10 matches. In short, your rating in and of itself means nothing except how lucky you were, how well you were able to q-sync for those first 10 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratovulkumen Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 ppl get what they deserve , get over it..Dont QQ..dota 2 has same thing too,also most of the other online games too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackmac Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 ppl get what they deserve , get over it..Dont QQ..dota 2 has same thing too,also most of the other online games too. Let me translate: I have a high rating, I'm better than you, I'm god's gift to pvp. The system clearly isn't broken because it put me where I should be, the top. Even if the system is broken, so are other games' so why fix this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saikochoro Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) They should implement a 1v1 pvp, then ELO would be worth something here While I would like this I can foresee what would happen. Sins and operatives would win. Their stealth and escapes do give them advantages in 8v8 and 4v4, but those advantages are mitigated somewhat with all the commotion of ongoing battles. Those advantages are most relevant in a 1v1 situation. Edited March 6, 2015 by Saikochoro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRaika Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Yolos without mixed faction are a total joke. There are times when you know you should q pub and times when you know you should q imp. Most of us don't try to cheat the system but it is rather easy to do if you try which means some will. If we are not getting x server then mixed faction is desperately needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinre_the_Jedi Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I agree, I'm tired of losing 20 points a game on a loss and winning +3 elo on a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratovulkumen Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Let me translate: I have a high rating, I'm better than you, I'm god's gift to pvp. The system clearly isn't broken because it put me where I should be, the top. Even if the system is broken, so are other games' so why fix this one? Hey dog,i started with 1200ish rating,and i never say im good or anything like this..im just saying,i played dota2,heroes of newerth,they all have this system..if u are a good player,u can get ur rating up even u start with 1k rating..if u r noob and just had luck in first 10 games,u will drop ur rating after this..there is nothing to fix about elo system..they must fix class balance..now **** of my face Regards,sorry for my bad english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratovulkumen Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) I agree, I'm tired of losing 20 points a game on a loss and winning +3 elo on a win. How can u be so brainless plzzz,u have 2k rating and u get 1.500 rating enemies and u want +15?? No logic on this,İf u are facing waaay lower rating players than urs ofc u must get low rating.and if u lose to those noobs ofc it drops -20...i wish u guys had more IQs than a monkey to understand this system no lifer emos Edited March 6, 2015 by muratovulkumen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offence Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 ppl get what they deserve , get over it..Dont QQ..dota 2 has same thing too,also most of the other online games too. You lost your credibility when you wrote dota in the sentence lol , dota is like chess a counter-play game it has nothing in common with the issues at hand in swtor get a clue boy, they must fix ranked matchmaking first, FOTM class stacking , there are so many running issues atm it's not even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDotter Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Can't compare LoL/Dota cause it it has a relevant player base where 2k players play 1900-2100 players and elo "rating" decay is a thing. For this to potentially happen need all pvpers on same server or cross server. This is how rating works. Better to to start off wins as the gain/loss you get means more in the first few matches. IE: I go 8-2 in my LoL placements ( from previous season diamond tier) I need to be in plat/diamond mmr or i'll stomp 1200-1800 rating matches. This whole issue is compounded by the lack of player base. At best cross server gives three thousand players you'd still have to match ratings 300-400 apart or the Q time would be like master/challenger tier in LoL. Edited March 6, 2015 by JDotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinre_the_Jedi Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 How can u be so brainless plzzz,u have 2k rating and u get 1.500 rating enemies and u want +15?? No logic on this,İf u are facing waaay lower rating players than urs ofc u must get low rating.and if u lose to those noobs ofc it drops -20...i wish u guys had more IQs than a monkey to understand this system no lifer emos Well look at you, you're a fiesty one aren't you But I'm referring to how I can fight Stalkuh, or Moshclaw, or Fig or Jakedepaoli and lose -20 rating, and win the next match and win +5. They're all 2200-2400, so your logic is flawed. Also, before you decide to insult people, maybe you should work on your grammatical skills first, it'll make you seem more intelligent and less like the "brainless plzzzz" that you claim others are. Kthx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azurestone Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Elo system works really weird for your first 20 or so games. I recall last season, the first game I lost out of the initial 10s gave me a -27. Also it ****s up your rating really hard if enemy team won with a player with very few games, especially if said player has not yet complete the initial 10s, because players who don't have initial 10s still have a rating, sometimes a very low rating. Specifically, a player who's 1-0 have a 1200 rating and 0-1 a 1100 rating, and even though they don't have an actual rating, the system will think you just lost to a 1100 play and give you a huge rating loss. With that being said, I find rating system to be not too bad most of the matches. What I really don't like is how sometimes I would get surprise -18 from a 3v4 match because rating loss is spread among all players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 At best cross server gives three thousand players you'd still have to match ratings 300-400 apart or the Q time would be like master/challenger tier in LoL. This is also a huge flaw in the matchmaking. The PvP populations are so anemic matches are happening that shouldn't happen at all. A Rating difference of 300-400 is a HUGE difference between participants in the current Ranked environment. Who arbitrarily decided that a matchup with those differentials is acceptable in the first place? Was in a match last night in which every opponent we faced had a 1700+ Rating. The best Rating on my team for that match was 1300, we had a noob with no gear (so 1200-ish) who hadn't completed 10 matches yet, and one person with a 850 Rating. So 1300-1240-1200ish-850. How bad do you think our team got stomped? And I lost 10 Rating for that complete waste of time. Sorry, but that's a matchup which simply shouldn't happen at all in any sort of matchmaking system. I would rather have no Ranked pop at all than end up in a match like that. It's full retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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