Anyakaschala Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 So you're doing something like PT h4 quest. You're heals, and someone invites to your group someone thats flagged. You're going to get flagged, that's a given. But you're not in pvp gear because you're not pvping or haven't pvped on that toon. And along comes a non-flagged sniper, full power-ups and ambushes the **** out of you, guaranteed crit, can't do anytihng about it, he has pvp gear on, and you don't, so he not only gets that guarantted crit, he gets a massive bonus damage boost to go with it. Seriously, can we change something about this scenario? I'm sure I'm not the only one that's had to deal with this kind of BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djiini Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I do think it's pretty dumb that, if you're not willing to be set for PVP or can't sneak around, you lose out on a lot of reputation in this event. It wouldn't be as bad as if it didn't only come around every, what, 8 months? Seeing the Gree Enclave Rep titles, I beelined for this event, but quickly dropped it due to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emeraldon Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yeah it's such a greek tragedy to get jumped in a contested zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyakaschala Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yeah it's such a greek tragedy to get jumped in a contested zone. that's the thing though, i wasn't in the contested zone. Just doing PT in the non-pvp area, the guy that joined us was flagged, got flagged due to tag healing. So yeah, I hear ya, and I wouldn't be saying anything if was actually in the contested area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rankyn Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 If you don't want to be flagged, don't heal the flagged player. Someone will get booted from the group. Maybe you, maybe them. Contested Zone != PvP Zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundown Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well, it all goes down to the fundamental question: should there be any way to get flagged for PVP on a PVE-Server besides a) going into corresponding areas (e.g. Outlaws Den, enemy bases or other PVP-Areas) or b) manually switching on the PVP-flag. I see why it is a problem if you don't get flagged when supporting a flagged group member (in that case by healing), because you could use that to attack groups in PVP and be yourself not attackable, but I would turn it around and unflag said guy rather than flagging the supporter. Or maybe make the groupleader decide the group type and have a pop-up upon invitation. It would also prevent people from griefing (yes, I call it that) in PVE-areas by standing around the pylons hoping to be attacked accidentally or by AOE-bugs (AOE should not attack the PVP-guy, but I've seen it happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghisallo Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) There is a dang easy way to fix this on a PvE server...other games do this common sense bit...if you are not flagged you can't heal someone who is flagged vs you healing them and getting auto flagged. There is a reason people roll on PvP servers... People want world PvP. A reason people roll on PvE servers (usually) they don't want to be forced into world PvP. Having a healer get flagged is silly. I have had pugs that were either morons and accidentally flagged or purposefully trolling flag after I have HoTs rolling on em. Next thing I know I am flagged and getting ROFL stomped, initially going "***" and then finally say "oh....you jerk." Edited February 26, 2015 by Ghisallo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_riches Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) The last time I played this event, never had any problems, the only time I was ever flagged for PvP was when I chose to enter the PvP area to do those 2 quests (was successful once but the second time there was a group of campers who were going after anybody who got close). I cant's hate anything this time since I cannot play, my internet is down (at my end) and I gotta fix it (inbetween working, and I don't have any spares lying about) Edited February 26, 2015 by Jedi_riches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghisallo Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Well then you have done what I usually do...run in guild groups or have gotten very lucky. I can't tell you how many times in PUGS I got flagged by healing to hear "oh sorry I accidentally flagged" by a pug who at least claimed they accidentally tab targetted to a flag opponent. I THINK they fixed the AoE thing that people used to exploit all the time but I can't personally confirm it. That may also be an issue. Edited February 26, 2015 by Ghisallo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_riches Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well then you have done what I usually do...run in guild groups or have gotten very lucky. I can't tell you how many times in PUGS I got flagged by healing to hear "oh sorry I accidentally flagged" by a pug who at least claimed they accidentally tab targetted to a flag opponent. I THINK they fixed the AoE thing that people used to exploit all the time but I can't personally confirm it. That may also be an issue. If I remember correctly, 1 was a guild run the other was a PUG, but we all knew what we were doing so flagged members stood in starting area until they unflagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoraan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Yes, grouping with someone who is flagged is bad for the healer. Fortunately there is an easy fix. Just tell whoever is flagged to enter the GSF tutorial and immediately exit battle. TA-DA, flag gone. Takes 30 seconds (depending on your machine) and you don't even have to travel back from a safe zone. That's at least something the GSF tutorial is good for. (I call that creative use of game mechanics.) Edited February 26, 2015 by Shoraan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JouerTue Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 aaaaaaah gree tears:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghisallo Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, grouping with someone who is flagged is bad for the healer. Fortunately there is an easy fix. Just tell whoever is flagged to enter the GSF tutorial and immediately exit battle. TA-DA, flag gone. Takes 30 seconds (depending on your machine) and you don't even have to travel back from a safe zone. That's at least something the GSF tutorial is good for. (I call that creative use of game mechanics.) You shouldn't have to engaged in the "creative" use of game mechanics for such a thing. What is funny is that I even know a couple people who count on this issue to get PvP when bored. I had a buddy if mine spitting with rage when I said "yeah man you are so leet. Standing there stealthed waiting for someone in PvE gear to get accidentally flagged in their PvE gear so you can ambush em while fully PvP geared out. Your the 12 grader stealing the 4th graders lunch money man". His reaction and me giggle because he couldn't dispute the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachannal Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, grouping with someone who is flagged is bad for the healer. Fortunately there is an easy fix. Just tell whoever is flagged to enter the GSF tutorial and immediately exit battle. TA-DA, flag gone. Takes 30 seconds (depending on your machine) and you don't even have to travel back from a safe zone. That's at least something the GSF tutorial is good for. (I call that creative use of game mechanics.) You just made me weep tears of joy...or pop a chub, not sure which. Maybe a bit of both? Either way - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedip_enguin Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 aaaaaaah gree tears:D They taste sooooooo good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) If you don't want to be flagged, don't heal the flagged player. Someone will get booted from the group. Maybe you, maybe them. This, right. I've done it about 6 6imes on different characters this event and have yet to get into a group with a flagged player. If that were to happen, whether I am the healer or not, it's "See ya." Not like there's not another chance to group again within 30 seconds. And as for 2 of the quests being in the PvP area, there ain't no law says you have to do them. Sounds like some folks are saying "OK, since I can't get max rep from all the dailies, I'm not gonna do any of the dailies." That's pretty childish. Contested Zone != PvP Zone. This, wrong. Edited February 26, 2015 by branmakmuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rankyn Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 This, wrong.By that, I mean a "contested zone" is not the same as a "PvP" zone. It simply means that you are operating in an area of mixed-faction players. A PvP zone is one in which you are flagged for PvP by entering it. Most planets in the game are contested zones. There are relatively few PvP zones. But if you are flagged in a contested zone, you are open to attack by other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daewan Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I got into a group to do the heroic, and politely asked them if they minded that I was still flagged. They were not okay, so I asked them to wait a few minutes for the flag to go away. We all agreed, and did our own things for about two minutes, and then it cleared. We did the heroic, no problem. Easy as pie. How is this an issue? I'm not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalLowlife Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 So you're doing something like PT h4 quest. You're heals, and someone invites to your group someone thats flagged. You're going to get flagged, that's a given. But you're not in pvp gear because you're not pvping or haven't pvped on that toon. And along comes a non-flagged sniper, full power-ups and ambushes the **** out of you, guaranteed crit, can't do anytihng about it, he has pvp gear on, and you don't, so he not only gets that guarantted crit, he gets a massive bonus damage boost to go with it. Seriously, can we change something about this scenario? I'm sure I'm not the only one that's had to deal with this kind of BS. This is pretty much my experience from my first and last time trying out the Gree event. Add in PvP cats hiding in stealth waiting on me to use my lightning storm attack....and you'll understand why I don't even participate in the event anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 By that, I mean a "contested zone" is not the same as a "PvP" zone. That's pretty much the only kind of zone to refer to as "contested." What other kinds of "contest" is there? The race to get to a quest objective first? If that's the case, then every non-instanced quest area is a "contested" area. In the Gree event, there is no more "contest" between players of opposite factions than there is between players of the same faction, unless you call ganking flagged players outside of the PvP area a "contest." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAAmecanic Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I do think it's pretty dumb that, if you're not willing to be set for PVP or can't sneak around, you lose out on a lot of reputation in this event. It wouldn't be as bad as if it didn't only come around every, what, 8 months? Seeing the Gree Enclave Rep titles, I beelined for this event, but quickly dropped it due to this. Pretty much any World area on JungMa (PvP server) is like this. Its freakin stupid to allow PvP gear to be worn outside of PvP arenas. All this does is lead to gankfests. I wouldn't mind PvP in the open world if everyone had the same gear...that's is why I joined a PvP server. But when Im in a predominately PvE area....I would prefer my PvE gear. Had I known PvP gear would make it impossible in open world to have a fair fight, and my guild selected JungMa, I would have gone to a PvE server. EDIT: Gree is a bit different...at least the PvP area is well defined if I recall (got max rep with Gree and never went back). Yavin 4 is the one that sticks in my craw. Edited February 26, 2015 by FAAmecanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Pretty much any World area on JungMa (PvP server) is like this. Its freakin stupid to allow PvP gear to be worn outside of PvP arenas. All this does is lead to gankfests. I wouldn't mind PvP in the open world if everyone had the same gear...that's is why I joined a PvP server. But when Im in a predominately PvE area....I would prefer my PvE gear. Had I known PvP gear would make it impossible in open world to have a fair fight, and my guild selected JungMa, I would have gone to a PvE server. This is the whole problem with a PvP stat. It's a dumb idea. and one big reason I don't PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyakaschala Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 I did get a modicum of revenge, at least in my mind. Got in another group with a diff toon, who was flagged. Another imp decided to try and gank him. We all flagged and kicked him to the curb. He came back, and tried to gank me, but I'd put on my pvp gear, and not only did we beat him to the curb again and again and again, we did it while fighting the 3 golds and the champion spawned and we took care of that at the same time. Imp got the message after the 4th death because we saw him pop up, and he jumped off the cliff to get away from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmeseReb Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 PVE server ruleset in this game is dumb. I much prefer the PVP one because of scenarios like the OP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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