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The Dreadful Slot Machine Incident


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Hi everybody,

 

sorry if I am a bit late for the party, but I was on a longer trip and could not post earlier. Anyhow, here is my point of view about the whole affair.

 

I am one of the people who consider themselves a crafter but not a mat tycoon trying to squeeze maximum profit from the GTN with every banana peel I find on the ground while travelling the planets. I craft for myself and some friends (without charge, not even mats, since usually I have no clue how expensive a level 10 augment slot is after all is done).

 

I am also a casual player. Due to a busy real life, I can usually only play on weekends, not during the week except a few holidays. But I cannot spend my entire spare time on-line in this universe, so yes. Levelling my first character to 50 took me almost a year after release. Just so you know, how casual I am when I use that term.

 

To compensate a little, I do buy cartel packs and occasionally sell parts of the contents on the GTN. Most of the time I just get crap that sells for a couple of thousand creds at most. I did sell the occasional purple mount for 2 million, but they really are rare. I do use the emotes, pets, mounts, for myself, too. So I am not rich in game either. But oh, cartel packs also grant some scraps these days. But not really a big lot and you have to pay real money to win.

 

I was relieved I got one of the slot machines still in its original glory. I bought 3 packs of coins and was able to get enough mats to finally augment 3 of my toons. Not more. Not less. I did not impact the market at all (other than not having to pay the outrageous prices set by the monopolist mat tycoons), I did not "abuse" anything in my opinion.

 

I left the machine alone and after two more days it got nuked to become just another useless decoration. I was quite disappointed, when I found out. At first I thought, it was a bug.

 

Then I read the forums. Big flame war going on. However, it seemed to me, the faction complaining and demanding a nerf the most, where the ones who excessively used the machine (or even several at the same time) to gain thousands and thousands of mats over the period it was available, then hooting on the forums how awful it was they just got thousands and thousands of mats and OMG the MARKET, how where they supposed to keep extorting the casual and not so greedy players, if the machine was available to the general public, etc.

 

Heck. One of them even posted screen shots of an entire maxed out inventory full of slot machine tokens and later the rewards he or she got for it. What the deuce ...!

 

So with the nerf, those shameless opportunists got to make the biggest profit out of it. Casual players like myself get the maximized punishment instead: Invalidate value from real cash cartel coins AND get kicked in the groin for not setting up a clickbot for a week to squeeze the max out of those machines. Some even in good faith that it was announced on the forums by some Bioware Community person, the machines where working as intended and they would maybe adjust some rates after evaluation.

 

Adjust? More like downgrading from a suite in the Ritz Carlton to standing naked in the icy winter rain and being handed a paper towel for compensation.

 

Thanks, EA for adding that 0.00000001% chance to get the super mount to make the machine more fun though! That really made my day. Totally worth the subscription!

 

jp

 

TLDR: Opportunistic mat tycoons got the biggest profit out of the machines, casual subscribers got screwed over.

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So with the nerf, those shameless opportunists got to make the biggest profit out of it.

 

Yes. Exactly this.

 

And now guess who are the ones who are trying to troll every complaint thread after they achieved their wanted nerf? Things like "Get over it." etc. Honi soit qui mal y pense. ;)

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Oh look, it's another slot machine thread :)

 

http://prntscr.com/5xijvx :p

 

Thank you for posting those two alternatives that I can play in my browser for free that are both better than watching the slot machine burn my in game currency for a few bleeps and playing the "screw you" sound over and over. How kind and considerate of you.

 

What a gentleman!

 

Cheers

 

JP

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TLDR: Opportunistic mat tycoons got the biggest profit out of the machines, casual subscribers got screwed over.

+1

 

I should add that I didn't think the drop rates of the initial machine were well considered (there really should have been a differing ratio in the rate of green, blue, purple Jawa tokens), but the fix went overboard.

 

Personally I feel the best solution for an item open to abuse by those players willing to click for hours at a time (or set up a 3rd party macro to do it for them) is to set a usage limit on it. This allows the drop rate on rewards to remain high enough to appeal to casual users, but not be open to easy abuse and saturate the market.

 

Unfortunately many who have appeared on these threads about the Contraband Slot Machine seem to overlook the fact that their release and initial drop rates suggests developers that are not aware of how their own game works.

 

Hopefully it's a lesson learned :)

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Yes. Exactly this.

 

And now guess who are the ones who are trying to troll every complaint thread after they achieved their wanted nerf? Things like "Get over it." etc. Honi soit qui mal y pense. ;)

 

Indeed. And EA actually sends a PR drone to the forums to tell us, they did it to correct an imbalance of the market. Laughable. Companion missions are delivering much too little reward, they should have pushed those instead of nuking the machine. Problem solved.

 

The way it is now, this game is getting more and more unattractive to casual players.

 

I fact, while they are at it, how about selling gold via the Cartel Market to dry out the annoying coin spammers? "We did it for the peace in general chat"

 

JP

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I've said it before but since you're "late to the party" I'll say it again. Only a moron would think the drop rates would stay anywhere near where they were. You had a week, 7 full days, to abuse it. Most people did, therefore getting WAY beyond their moneys worth. Now, it is a net loss no matter what, it's a SLOT MACHINE. If a casino had a broken machine that triggered a jackpot 1/4 spins and you go back the next week and never get the jackpot are you actually going to be surprised? Common.. sense..
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I'm one of those who ended up with stacks and stacks of mats...

 

By the end of it, I have thousands and thousands of purple mats... now that the prices have recovered, I'm making a killing...

 

Yet... I think it is wrong what happened and I would like the drop rates returned to something reasonable.

 

I don't need more money in this game, I'm already filthy rich, another hundred million credits does me no good.

 

So as one of those master crafters and mat barons, I vote that the casual gamers get what they want and return the slot machine to useful.

 

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TL;DR - It is just a game, it should be fun to play, not a "for profit trading engine for the few"

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I've said it before but since you're "late to the party" I'll say it again. Only a moron would think the drop rates would stay anywhere near where they were. You had a week, 7 full days, to abuse it. Most people did, therefore getting WAY beyond their moneys worth. Now, it is a net loss no matter what, it's a SLOT MACHINE. If a casino had a broken machine that triggered a jackpot 1/4 spins and you go back the next week and never get the jackpot are you actually going to be surprised? Common.. sense..

 

You are the one who lacks common sense... If the machine was more or less guaranteed to NEVER JACKPOT AGAIN, the casino would go out of business.

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I'm one of those who ended up with stacks and stacks of mats...

 

By the end of it, I have thousands and thousands of purple mats... now that the prices have recovered, I'm making a killing...

 

Yet... I think it is wrong what happened and I would like the drop rates returned to something reasonable.

 

I don't need more money in this game, I'm already filthy rich, another hundred million credits does me no good.

 

So as one of those master crafters and mat barons, I vote that the casual gamers get what they want and return the slot machine to useful.

 

---

 

TL;DR - It is just a game, it should be fun to play, not a "for profit trading engine for the few"

 

Better yet just have a vendor that sells every green mat for 500 credits, every blue for 750 and every epic for 1500. I mean, why have anyone have to put effort or time into anything at all. While we're at it just have everything be green, what's the point of rarity anyhow. Yes, I also have more credits than I need because I craft everything and there's nothing worth buying, my only annoyance is the lack of logic revolving around this whole "issue"

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If a hundred million credits does nothing for you - may I invite you to support those less fortunate?

 

I run a small charitable service for the war orphans on Balmorra - for just 3.2 million credits a day, YOU can help stop the suffering. Help pay for training for the local Balmorran resistance groups- right now, standard tactics have them literally standing there waiting to be killed - with your donation, we can train them to walk, look around, and even alert other people when they see massive lightning storms no more than 10 feet from them.

 

Wont you help these poor children?

 

In game mail my toon, Pi'card - Ebon Hawk - and together, we can help stem the suffering.

 

And such.

 

DPS Jugg

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I run a small charitable service for the war orphans on Balmorra - for just 3.2 million credits a day, YOU can help stop the suffering. Help pay for training for the local Balmorran resistance groups- right now, standard tactics have them literally standing there waiting to be killed - with your donation, we can train them to walk, look around, and even alert other people when they see massive lightning storms no more than 10 feet from them.

 

Wont you help these poor children?

 

 

 

But....I'm the one that CAUSED the suffering....

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I've said it before but since you're "late to the party" I'll say it again. Only a moron would think the drop rates would stay anywhere near where they were.

And only a bigger moron would think anyone else seriously thought they were not going to adjust the drop rates of Jawa Junk, as the patch notes stated, but that they were also not going to pound the machine into utter pointlessness.

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Indeed. And EA actually sends a PR drone to the forums to tell us, they did it to correct an imbalance of the market. Laughable. Companion missions are delivering much too little reward, they should have pushed those instead of nuking the machine. Problem solved.

 

The way it is now, this game is getting more and more unattractive to casual players.

 

I fact, while they are at it, how about selling gold via the Cartel Market to dry out the annoying coin spammers? "We did it for the peace in general chat"

 

JP

 

I am pretty sure they never actually posted anything about it. they made an offhand statement at the $30 a head cantina even in san antonio but thats all. evidently swtor isnt worth taking time away from shadowrun.

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Better yet just have a vendor that sells every green mat for 500 credits, every blue for 750 and every epic for 1500. I mean, why have anyone have to put effort or time into anything at all. While we're at it just have everything be green, what's the point of rarity anyhow. Yes, I also have more credits than I need because I craft everything and there's nothing worth buying, my only annoyance is the lack of logic revolving around this whole "issue"

crafting missions are NOT effort. you can do them in your sleep. real sleep. wearing your darth vader underoos and everything. so get over the "effort" thing.

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And only a bigger moron would think anyone else seriously thought they were not going to adjust the drop rates of Jawa Junk, as the patch notes stated, but that they were also not going to pound the machine into utter pointlessness.

 

And only the biggest moron would think that this is BW's fault and not the fault of the incredibly vocal group on the forums that nobody was standing up against.

 

Hey, I can belittle people's opinions too!

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And only the biggest moron would think that this is BW's fault and not the fault of the incredibly vocal group on the forums that nobody was standing up against.

 

Hey, I can belittle people's opinions too!

Let's put it all in order:

 

1. It was reasonable to expect a nerf of some kind because it clearly was too good at first.

2. The patch notes stated that the Jawa Junk rate would be lowered.

3. It was reasonable, based on the official patch notes, to expect that only the Jawa Junk's drop rate would be lowered.

4. The machine was gutted to the point of being a decoration that charges 750 creds to flash lights and go "beep beep" at you (once you have max rep).

5. Many people are upset, justifiably and reasonably so, given 2, 3, and 4.

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Better yet just have a vendor that sells every green mat for 500 credits, every blue for 750 and every epic for 1500. I mean, why have anyone have to put effort or time into anything at all. While we're at it just have everything be green, what's the point of rarity anyhow. Yes, I also have more credits than I need because I craft everything and there's nothing worth buying, my only annoyance is the lack of logic revolving around this whole "issue"

 

Oh fair enough. Whining opportunists, however, did not stop clicking the machine over and over for hours, burning thousands of coins and piling up heaps of rare purple scrap in the process. The casual user just got the mats required for crafting the items they desired and went on playing the game.

 

Now, don't get me wrong. I could not care less about how many mats people have and how they use them. Craft, sell, toss down the waterfalls of Makeb, whatever rocks their boat. However, the opportunistic mat tycoons do care about how many mats I have. If I have enough to not bother with their outrageous prices, because the mats are oh so precious, it supposedly hurts the economy. What the fragg?

 

I'd be all hush and quiet if they bind all mats to character on pickup. That way, crafting is fair and we can all grind together. But allowing one group to stockpile heaps of rare stuff and then tell the others "if you got the mats the easy way, too, well that would hurt the economy", that is just lame.

 

Leave the casual players at peace. If you don't like short cutting mats off the slot machine, just don't use it! There is absolutely no difference on your gameplay, when other people get their mats in a different way than you do.

 

And EA, please, do you honestly think people not clicking a few buttons to manage companions, then wait an hour, click again to get the mats is more emerging than clicking repeatedly on the slot machine? What difference does it make to you?

 

Puzzled

 

JP

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How about instead of starting yet another thread about a topic that has been by so much that all has been discussed already, you go read those other threads and find your answers there? It was only dreadful because BW did something dumb and people overreacted like a bunch of 5 year olds when BW had to basically fix their mistake. That's all there is to it.

 

Any question you ask here has already been answered at least 10 times and frankly I get a bit tired of seeing this subject yet again.

 

I know I shouldn't keep it alive by posting in it but I will do so one time in the hope that you get that this topic is in the past now and you can read all about it already so really...there is no point in going over this yet another time just cause you're not willing to read the existing pages and pages of nonesense on this subject that you are only adding to with this thread.

 

That's my opinion on this. Good luck with your thread but I am convinced it will yield absolutely NOTHING new to what has already been said about it.

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Good luck with your thread but I am convinced it will yield absolutely NOTHING new to what has already been said about it.

 

Thank you for your good wishes. I have read quite a few of the other threads, I never saw the issue of tycoons being able to keep their non-exploited-machine goodies while all the ones just using The Machine [TM] in moderation got punished by the nuke.

 

To drag yet another controversial issue into this: Imagine all people that used the Ravenger exploit where allowed by EA to keep all the spoils unchallenged but they'd decrease the drop rate of loot in that operation to the number they reduced the mats on the slot machine, because they dug into their "big data" and analysis showed, there was too much loot from that operation in the economy of the game. :eek:

 

Can you imagine the poop storm super cell over the forums here if that happened? Well, with the machine, that is exactly what happened.

 

It actually annoys me enough to start yet another thread over it. If you don't like it, well, don't read it.

 

Cheers

 

JP

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Then I read the forums. Big flame war going on. However, it seemed to me, the faction complaining and demanding a nerf the most, where the ones who excessively used the machine (or even several at the same time) to gain thousands and thousands of mats over the period it was available, then hooting on the forums how awful it was they just got thousands and thousands of mats and OMG the MARKET, how where they supposed to keep extorting the casual and not so greedy players, if the machine was available to the general public, etc.

 

 

*wonders what Forums JP was reading as it certainly was not SWTOR forums*

 

I have yet to play a slot machine even once but knew THE FIX (not a nerf, not remotely a nerf) was incoming and needed.

 

I read the complaints and what I saw (not how it appeared to me but how it WAS) was you had

 

-the faster, easier, dumb it down crowd wanting it back to stupid level pay outs. (most vocal but really wasnt a huge amount of them, same 50-60 posters filling up every thread with what really seemed like copy paste responses to make it appear like a larger group then it was)

 

- You had the mass majority that was upset with EA bait and switch but understood the FIX was required. Its how it was done that bothered them, not that it was done.

 

- another group that never used slot machines (myself) but knew the FIX was needed and required and wasnt surprised by EA bait and switch as they have done it before numerous times. (Old saying comes to mind: Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me)

 

- and a few few (biggest minority) who are as you described, used the slot machines to their full extent and then demanded the fix go in

 

But no matter how you slice it, 3 different groups knew the FIX was needed. Their agendas to reach the outcome were different but the outcome was required. Trying to paint them all as people who utilized the slots to get rich and then demanded it be taken away from everyone else is complete and utter donkey dodo.

 

The most selfish people in this topic were those demanding the slots be returned to previous pay outs (even though they knew full well it was not good for game to do so) and no amount of spin changes that fact..

 

It wasnt black and white like you claim OP and the slots needed to be FIXED

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