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Deshade's master= Tulak Horde

Emperor's master= Marka Ragnos

 

Couldn't think of who the other two are off the top of my head, but one of them is probably Exar Kun.

 

 

Exar Kun = Seeker of Forbidden Teachings

Naga Sadow = Dark Side Magician

 

Sadow is the ONLY ONE you can't left-click upon.

 

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Deshade? Srsly? Too lazy to look through your own game to see you spelt it Dashade the entire time?

 

 

Also, somebody explain what the ghost of Marka Ragnos is doing on Yavin, lightyears away from his tomb? Having friendly chats with Vitiate?

 

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Deshade? Srsly? Too lazy to look through your own game to see you spelt it Dashade the entire time?

 

Take a look at the date of the achievements BTW. ;)

 

I did report then. Guess there wasn't enough time to amend it.

 

Also, somebody explain what the ghost of Marka Ragnos is doing on Yavin, lightyears away from his tomb? Having friendly chats with Vitiate?

 

Wondered about that as well, unless we're to assume Tulak died in Yavin 4 as well. Seems like a stretch to me.

 

BTW, where's Freedon Nadd? Did Exar Kun truly destroy his spirit or are we bound to Dxun next? :D

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Also, Marka Ragnos was a Master to Lord Vitiate? Some cool implications there.

 

One thing is to be made Lord, while another is to be his apprentice I guess.

 

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Well we know Ragnos' spirit should be on Korriban, and Hord's tomb is on Korriban while his remains are somewhere else entirely. So... I have no idea what's going on. Maybe Revan and Vitiate have a pull on ghosts? Next thing you'll know Aloysius Kallig will be standing in the starting area waving at Inquisitors for no reason.

As for Freedon Nadd, I have no clue. Maybe he was a victim of the Emperor's ghost exorcism campaign?

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Well we know Ragnos didn't die on Yavin, and Hord's tomb is on Korriban while his remains are somewhere else entirely. So... I have no idea what's going on. Maybe Revan and Vitiate have a pull on ghosts? Next thing you'll know Aloysius Kallig will be standing in the starting area waving at Inquisitors for no reason.

 

From Yavin to Hoth seems like a stretch indeed. :p

 

Also, as mentioned earlier...

Vitiate was Ragnos' apprentice?

 

I was under the impression Ragnos had just made him a Lord, according to the Revan novel, that Ragnos had been his Master at some point.

 

I did the implications though. :D

As for Freedon Nadd, I have no clue. Maybe he was a victim of the Emperor's ghost exorcism campaign?

DON'T SHATTER MY DESIRES. :mad:

 

I need whatever lame excuse to get to Dxun eventually. C2-D4 mentioning Queen Lina of Onderon by itself won't do. :p

 

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Oh, I want full-out war on Onderon with a descendant of Freedon Nadd involved. I really want that. And going to Dxun would be nice, too, even if it's just an Operation. And I'd like to meet the misinformed general C2-D4 spoke of. :p

 

 

As for Vitiate and Ragnos - it says Ragnos was his Master, not that Vitiate was his apprentice. The difference being a Master not as a teacher, but as the one giving you orders. Vitiate being Ragnos' apprentice would odd from the time perspective anyway - he was basically still a child when he killed his father and was brought before Ragnos, and it's stated that Ragnos named him Lord thereafter, in recognition of his strength, at like age 13 or something. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think 13 year-olds qualify for the trials...

 

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Oh, I want full-out war on Onderon with a descendant of Freedon Nadd involved. I really want that. And going to Dxun would be nice, too, even if it's just an Operation. And I'd like to meet the misinformed general C2-D4 spoke of. :p

 

We are in accord. :D

 

 

As for Vitiate and Ragnos - it says Ragnos was his Master, not that Vitiate was his apprentice. The difference being a Master not as a teacher, but as the one giving you orders. Vitiate being Ragnos' apprentice would odd from the time perspective anyway - he was basically still a child when he killed his father and was brought before Ragnos, and it's stated that Ragnos named him Lord thereafter, in recognition of his strength, at like age 13 or something. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think 13 year-olds qualify for the trials...

Depends on how you see it really. :D

 

The way Nyriss spoke the tale, it always sounded to me like a mix between history and legend and as such, maybe some of the details became sketchy along the way.

 

In other words, while she claims that Marka Ragnos made Vitiate a Lord following the latter's rapid ascendance, the events that follow are murky at best; you really don't know much about what happened between then, and the time gap preceding Ragnos' death.

 

In other words, judging from this image -- plus the extrapolation above -- it is possible that Vitiate was an apprentice to Marka Ragnos in the dark arts, Lord or not.

 

I for one don't dislike the thought. :o

 

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I for one don't dislike the thought. :o

I don't dislike the thought either - although then again, it would be nice if somebody would care to tell us the stories of Marka Ragnos and Tulak Hord - including the actual height of their power - at some point EVER (I actually have little doubt they will find their way back into canon, eventually). Tulak Hord has been a mystery for over a decade. All we know is that he looked like Shredder and was powerful. Also, I just realised that the name for the Ragnos ghost achievement is a stupid pun.

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I don't dislike the thought either - although then again, it would be nice if somebody would care to tell us the stories of Marka Ragnos and Tulak Hord - including the actual height of their power - at some point EVER (I actually have little doubt they will find their way back into canon, eventually). Tulak Hord has been a mystery for over a decade. All we know is that he looked like Shredder and was powerful.

 

In addition, Tulak Hord -- as well as Aloysius Kallig -- owned and used a lightsaber presumably CENTURIES before they became standard-fare amongst the Sith.

 

Also, I just realised that the name for the Ragnos ghost achievement is a stupid pun.

 

It made me giggle to be honest. :D

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In addition, Tulak Hord -- as well as Aloysius Kallig -- owned and used a lightsaber presumably CENTURIES before they became standard-fare amongst the Sith.

 

 

 

It made me giggle to be honest. :D

The pun's not that great, and the others aren't puns, so it's inconsistent. Kinda meh. :p

 

More things about Tulak Hord - Khem Val calls him conqueror of the Dromund system. So, he has to be really, really old. And Darth Marr has his lightsaber. EDIT: Or had. Who knows.

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The pun's not that great, and the others aren't puns, so it's inconsistent. Kinda meh. :p

 

Or maybe we just can't see them. :o

 

More things about Tulak Hord - Khem Val calls him conqueror of the Dromund system. So, he has to be really, really old. And Darth Marr has his lightsaber. EDIT: Or had. Who knows.

 

Except for my main on the Red Eclipse, I change lightsabers every so often. Maybe Marr does it too. :p

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Except for my main on the Red Eclipse, I change lightsabers every so often. Maybe Marr does it too. :p

I was thinking more of him gifting it to his favored apprentice that we haven't met yet - I'd kinda like that. Lachris being his only apprentice ever seems off, considering others have entire entourages.

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It would explain where the backbone Talos doesn't have went. :D

He's got more backbone than Bioware gave him dialogue for in the expansion... :p

 

No, seriously, consider this. Marr has the most important Sphere of Influence. What members have we met? Marr, Lachris, that random dude that escorted him from his shuttle to the conference room on Makeb, and we have accounts of Talos' brother. Amazing. That's like no people. In the most important Sphere. Absurd.

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He's got more backbone than Bioware gave him dialogue for in the expansion... :p

 

No, seriously, consider this. Marr has the most important Sphere of Influence. What members have we met? Marr, Lachris, that random dude that escorted him from his shuttle to the conference room on Makeb, and we have accounts of Talos' brother. Amazing. That's like no people. In the most important Sphere. Absurd.

 

It isn't like most of the sith NPCs hand you a business card telling you what sphere they actually belong to, so we might have met plenty of them and just weren't told because it wasn't really relevant.

 

Also, it is probably pretty safe to assume that a lot of the sith you see on Yavin are part of his sphere since they are part of his personal super loyal assets.

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It isn't like most of the sith NPCs hand you a business card telling you what sphere they actually belong to, so we might have met plenty of them and just weren't told because it wasn't really relevant.

 

Also, it is probably pretty safe to assume that a lot of the sith you see on Yavin are part of his sphere since they are part of his personal super loyal assets.

I was referring to people of relevance to the story rather than unnamed ones. Sorry if I was unclear.

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He's got more backbone than Bioware gave him dialogue for in the expansion... :p

 

You really need to question whoever chose to recall his VA to utter three to four sentences, only to keep him silent throughout the rest of the expansion.

 

Unbelievable. :rolleyes:

 

No, seriously, consider this. Marr has the most important Sphere of Influence. What members have we met? Marr, Lachris, that random dude that escorted him from his shuttle to the conference room on Makeb, and we have accounts of Talos' brother. Amazing. That's like no people. In the most important Sphere. Absurd.

 

That dude was voiced by Adam Leadbeater, the VA for Pierce, the SW companion. :p

 

Seeing they didn't recall him for SoR, you can pretty much assume the character presumably died in action, like the droid that belonged to Beryl Throne, voiced by Tom Kane. Or...

Crysta's daugther, which is voiced by Laura Bailey, same VA for Kira. Beats calling the one for Crysta, right?

In other words, they're effectively killing off characters -- or droids -- due to the fact they can't recall their respective VA's. Win?

 

:D

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I would think these cameos are supposed to be non-canon.

 

I fail to see why they would be.

 

Naga Sadow and Exar Kun are surely canon, and their spirits being around -- in some shape or form -- certainly fits. Tulak Hord is a wild card but then again, no knows for sure where he physically perished.

 

Marka Ragnos, on the other hand, as the achievement alludes to, was apparently a Master to Vitiate, in addition to have him made a Lord -- the last bit, as per the Revan novel. Maybe they shared a Force-bond or something akin to it, Sith-wise? Dunno.

 

Regardless, taking into account their appearance, plus the fact both Charles Boyd and Eric Musco did confirm they talk with the people from LucasArts on a regular basis, it can ONLY be canon.

 

At least as far as "canon" goes nowadays. :p

 

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Also, if it makes any difference, upon right-clicking on them, you receive a buff that reads "Echo of the Force" or so.

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