I hate the chancellor

[Ghisallo]

PS I am not a fan of Saresh either. I think she is too fanatical about her Anti-Imperial Sentiments. Example she was only willing to help Makeb and its people when she thought a planet and it's resources would be available for the war effort. That said she is the duly elected Supreme Chancellor and so should be respected when you are dealing with her in a professional capacity.

[Darth_Wicked]

Speaking of those geno harden *** hats my bounty hunter still has a score to settle with them. No one not so subtly threatens to murder a player character and gets away with it. Seriously we need to be able to blast this chick and her little assassin guild friends.

 

Fairly sure the timing was no coincidence on that one BTW.

 

I think that was actually my favorite part of the expansion on Republic side: Finding out that the Saresh was evidently kept completely in the dark about what was happening, and Satele's response to her angry ranting being, "That's nice dear, but Commander Malcom and I know what we're doing.".

 

It's probably not the wisest response, particular given that relations between the Order and the Republic aren't at a tremendous high point, but man did it feel good seeing her put in her place.

 

I am actually expecting that to play a role in the events to come, presumably following the demise of the Sith Emperor.

 

Though Saresh herself was the one to announce that the Emperor was dead, both Satele and Jace Malcolm were standing beside her, with the former going so far as to state it was a joined SiS and Jedi committee to conclude that the "galaxy's greatest villain [was] gone forever".

 

And now, considering the events transpired in SoR, we had the Jedi Grand Master going temporarily rogue, the Supreme Commander backing up her decision, plus Theron as a link to the SiS -- who is also their son. To add injury to insult, the Emperor was NOT truly dead all along.

 

The writing is on the wall.

 

The GenoHaradan wish to expand, a return to glory, to the times of Xim the Despot and what not. Their puppet will bend or break, as will everyone else.

 

 

TL; DR:

REPUBLIC CITIZENS, HAVEN'T I TOLD YOU...?!!!????

 

THE JEDI ARE TAKING OVER -- PLUS THE SIS AND THE RELIEVED FROM OFFICE SUPREME COMMANDER.

 

Have no fear however. The GenoHaradan will protect us.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Darth_Wicked

[Ghisallo]

The GenoHaradan would be a bunch of idiots if they did that. They are already wealthy beyond measure and for all intents and purposes the power behind the throne. When people speak of the GenoHaradan being the puller of strings they are laughed off as crackpot conspiracy theorists. If they tried a return to the days of the despot successfully they would LOSE power and influence because they would have to go hands on in terms of governing (thus expending resources) and even to succeed they would have one HELL of a fight to get there. Currently through careful manipulations and playing Kingmaker they already basically control everything without the headaches that come with openly holding the position of power.

 

The Emperor was killed (for all intents and purposes) the first time around. If not for thousands of deaths in the fighting he would still be dead. If anything this event can be twisted to heighten the war effort and strengthen Saresh's position. She, in public, ignores Satele's slap and then I see a speech like this...

 

The Sith Emperor is so powerful in the darkside of the force that so long as the Empire and his servants exist he can even be brought back from the brink of death. He was willing to sacrifice thousands of lives to power his resurrection. His ultimate desire is to sacrifice all life in the Galaxy to power a rise to true immortality. He is not simply the Republic's greatest foe, he is evil beyond measure, the foe of life itself.

 

We stand united in the face of this threat. Our military is strong, and the Jedi Order stands with us, now more than ever. We will not be fooled by his dark magic again. We are resolute in our certainty that the forces that serve him will not be able to stand against us. We will yet prevail, tyranny will always fall before Freedom. May the Force be with us all."

 

Those watching the Holonet cheer, Republic Armed forces recruiting records are broken, Military budgets soar, the Jedi become the heroes of new holo-novels. The march of war continues under Supreme Chancellor Saresh.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Ghisallo

[Darth_Wicked]

The GenoHaradan would be a bunch of idiots if they did that.

 

Dunno why.

 

They are already wealthy beyond measure and for all intents and purposes the power behind the throne.

 

Perhaps they don't believe the Republic can sustain itself any longer, as a Democracy.

 

When people speak of the GenoHaradan being the puller of strings they are laughed off as crackpot conspiracy theorists.

 

Which only works to their advantage. Also, reading stuff attentively usually helps.

 

If the GenoHaradan was to be brought to the fold in a more meaningful fashion, they would still retain their secretive status.

 

If they tried a return to the days of the despot successfully they would LOSE power and influence because they would have to go hands on in terms of governing (thus expending resources) and even to succeed they would have one HELL of a fight to get there.

 

Survival has a way of bringing people together. One only has to look to the Empire, following the fall of Malgus the Betrayer, plus the major Sith in-fighting preceding.

 

The Emperor was killed (for all intents and purposes) the first time around. If not for thousands of deaths in the fighting he would still be dead. If anything this event can be twisted to heighten the war effort. I see a speech like this...

 

INCORRECT.

 

The Jedi Knight killed the Voice of the Emperor in Dromund Kaas, NOT the Emperor himself, and even the Voice part is debatable. Being "weakened" and "killed" are NOT one and the same.

 

"the Sith Emperor is so powerful in the darkside of the force that so long as the Empire and his support systems exist he can even be brought back from the brink of death. We stand together in the face of this threat. Our military is strong, and the Jedi Order stands with us, now more than ever. We will not be fooled by his dark magic again. We are resolute in our certainty that the forces that serve him will not be able to stand against us. We will yet prevail, tyranny will always fall before Freedom. May the Force be with us all."

 

Propaganda. Drivel.

 

You can only pull that kind of stuff so many times before it becomes stale. Saresh did it one time too many already.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Darth_Wicked

[Ghisallo]

I edited my original response. When you already hold the power without the baggage there is no reason to accept the baggage. You would have to do a MAJOR logical leap to make the GenoHaradan suddenly see the Republic as no longer being viable, since the Republic is now striking back quite effectively. They also likely remember why they went into hiding in the first place. Taking power openly didn' work out well.

 

Actually after the Jedi Knight won against the Emperor one of the Devs said specifically that the Knight killed the Emperor...period dead stop. I'll find the reference again but it has been linked recently in one of the "who is more powerful" threads. The voice possess the full power and intellect of the Emperor. As such the Emperor was killed, in body. When his body was killed it shocked his spirit so bad he went basically into a Coma. This is why I said "for all intents and purposes". If you are only spirit, and in a coma for that matter, you may as well be dead as you can't interact with the physical world. The only way to come out of that Coma was by feeding on the death and conflict while resting in a place of power. I think this is a semantic argument tbh so probably best to let it slide away imo.

 

And not really propaganda drivel. Jingoistic yeah but they honestly did think he was killed. they had no clue that he was powerful enough that his spirit could hang on and that he had a resurrection plan. They also know that he wants to eat the Galaxy. All of these factors make him an even bigger threat than before.

 

In a time of war when you are winning battles and/or there is still a threat, a greater threat even, speeches like this work wonders...ask FDR and Truman. Hell one could argue FDR did this for all 4 of his Presidential terms. I think you greatly underestimate the power of good speech writing in times of conflict. Reagan during the cold war is another great example. I dislike her character A LOT but that doesn't mean she is not a shrewed politician AND her "style" is actually what the masses typically want in a time of war. Saresh may go down but it is not going to be because the Emperor returned. Maybe if the GenoHaradan were actually exposed, as was here involvement with them? BUT atm all we know about the GenoHaradan is that they HELP the Republic. You could probably just spin them into a "force for good" even..." While the Jedi stand in the light the GenoHaradan look into the shadows" kinda thing.

 

Wouldn't be the first time Bioware Retconned their own stuff.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Ghisallo

[Darth_Wicked]

Actually after the Jedi Knight won against the Emperor one of the Devs said specifically that the Knight killed the Emperor...period dead stop. I'll find the reference again but it has been linked recently in one of the "who is more powerful" threads.

 

I believe that was Hall Hood.

 

He didn't write the SW story however, which clearly states the Emperor was weakened, NOT dead. Also:

Hall Hood was Lead Writer back then. It would seem he recanted his original statement, via the game itself.

 

In other words, you are incorrect.

 

The voice possess the full power and intellect of the Emperor.

 

It has -- or had -- attached to it the Emperor's consciousness. Whether it housed his full power is debatable.

 

As such the Emperor was killed, in body.When his body was killed it shocked his spirit so bad he went basically into a Coma. The only way to come out of that Coma was by feeding on the death and conflict while resting in a place of power.

 

The vessel housing the Voice of the Emperor was defeated, which is different. Straight from the game itself:

The unexpected blow was a shock. The Emperor's consciousness was wrenched from his Voice. He now slumbers, gathering his strength.

 

The Imperial Guard has moved the Emperor's body.

 

Whether the Voice truly died or NOT is debatable, as stated earlier.

 

And not really propaganda drivel. Jingoistic yeah but they honestly did think he was killed. they had no clue that he was powerful enough that his spirit could hang on and that he had a resurrection plan.

 

Doesn't change the fact it was a monumental frack up, especially considering they announced it to the galaxy at large. Someone must take the fall for it, and I doubt Saresh has any interest in doing that.

 

This makes him an even bigger threat than before. In a time of war when you are winning battles and there is still a threat speeches like this work wonders...ask FDR and Truman. Hell one could argue FDR did this for all 4 of his Presidential terms. I think you greatly underestimate the power of good speech writing in times of conflict.

 

As stated earlier:

You can only pull that kind of stuff so many times before it becomes stale. Saresh did it one time too many already.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Darth_Wicked

[Darth_Wicked]

You would have to do a MAJOR logical leap to make the GenoHaradan suddenly see the Republic as no longer being viable, since the Republic is now striking back quite effectively. They also likely remember why they went into hiding in the first place. Taking power openly didn' work out well.

 

The game would like to have a word with you:

The Republic’s overall advancement has slowed somewhat. It has become a victim of its own success, spreading resources too widely to continue pressing against the Empire in more than a handful of areas.

 

Despite the popularity of Saresh’s strategies, they appear to be untenable in the long term. The Republic’s production capacities (particularly foodstuffs, energy, and war materiel) are already nearing their maximum capacity. The Empire’s defensive maneuvering has dragged out conflicts in multiple areas, while third-party activities are also taking a toll, particularly increased starship piracy in the Abrion sector. Absorption of the bulk of the Hutt Cartel’s assets after the Makeb debacle brought only short-term gains, and only after the substantial expense necessary to bring those Cartel operations in line with Republic interests and legal codes.

 

Also...

Asset R-31 was killed while attempting to negotiate the purchase of potentially-incriminating holorecords from Chancellor Saresh’s time on the planet Taris. The seller was also killed. As with past efforts along these lines, GenoHaradan assassins are the most likely culprits.

As stated earlier, provided the GenoHaradan FAILS to cover her back adequately, I doubt she'll go down without putting a fight.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Darth_Wicked

[Ghisallo]

As for you can only do it for so long that is why I noted FDR and in my edit Reagan because FDR did it for over a Decade and Reagan for almost a decade. Hell Churchill pulled it off why England was basically losing There is also the political dynamic of a "war time president", rarely will people change leadership, especially when thus far Saresh's administration has been successful more often than it has failed. I know that it contradicts your desire but that is how it works in politics if we look at history.

 

There is also no reason for anyone to take a fall because there is nothing to fall over. I mean let's be honest, how many people would say honestly

 

You should have considered that the emperor's spirit is nigh unkillable, that it would have been taken to a planet saturated in the dark side, to a temple made with sacred geometry, wherein lay a device that can feed the energies of battle and death to revive him!!!! The fact the Darth's themselves were saying the Emperor was dead and started to fight for control doesn't matter....you should have considered the fantastic!!!

?

 

The people are very tolerant of mistakes when they are A) understandable and B) opposed by enough successes, which Saresh has as much as we may all dislike her and feel that she is profiting from the success of others.

 

As for Hall Hood I don't think he recanted nor that I am incorrect...as I said in my edit I think we are arguing a matter of semantics more than reality. As I said "he was killed for all intents and purposes" As you quote states "he was defeated in body.". He was spirit and in a coma to boot, completely incapable of interacting with the physical world. Without the battle he would still be in this state. So for all practical purposes he was dead. Since this seems to be a battle of semantics it seems a waste of time imo.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Ghisallo

[Darth_Wicked]

I know that it contradicts your desire but that is how it works in politics if we look at history.

 

Aside from some poorly contextualized real-life examples, you haven't really shown anything.

 

No offense.

 

There is also no reason for anyone to take a fall because there is nothing to fall over.

 

The Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, all-fearful of the Makeb debacle --

-- chooses to address the galaxy at large, with the Supreme Commander of the Republic military at her side, in addition to the Jedi Grand Master.

 

The order of business? To announce that the Sith Emperor is dead.

 

* quite a few months pass *

 

As far as the Republic is concerned, the war is NOT going as well as expected,

and Makeb was still, as initially stated, a debacle.

 

And you claim no heads need to roll? Or someone to take the blame?

 

You are one sympathetic voter, one might add.

 

As for Hall Hood I don't think he recanted nor that I am incorrect...

 

You claimed he was dead earlier, basing your findings on someone who didn't even write the SW story to begin with. Afterwards, as per the game itself, it seems he recanted his initial statement.

 

As such, you are incorrect.

 

as I said in my edit I think we are arguing a matter of semantics more than reality. As I said "he was killed for all intents and purposes" As you quote states "he was defeated in body.". He was spirit and in a coma to boot, completely incapable of interacting with the physical world. Without the battle he would still be in this state.

 

Coma ≠ Dead

 

Also:

The Imperial Guard has moved the Emperor's body.

- - - -

So for all practical purposes he was dead. Since this seems to be a battle of semantics it seems a waste of time.

 

You may wish to keep telling yourself that.

 

In light of what the game shows however, that is clearly NOT the case.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Darth_Wicked

[Ghisallo]

How are they poorly contextualized? Having been a History/Poli-Sci Major I am pretty sure using them is pretty solid.

 

I think you miss the strengths, and weakness yes, of Jingoism or underestimate the gullibility of the masses.

 

You really put a spin on the quotes BTW. The Republic is indeed a "victim of it's own success" but it is still had that rapid stream of successes and then is still being successful, just not as often. Also yes it is close to max manufacturing capacity. It isn't there yet though. If she continues with her policies, without accessing addition resources, she will indeed start suffering loses and confidence in her will wane. Until then though she can be Jingoistic to her hearts content and the people will lap it up.

 

Saresh can be as Jingoistic as she wants until that over extension becomes evident to the people. It isn't yet.

 

Also I never just claimed he was dead... Go back you will see my "all intents and purposes" codicil.

 

Additionally I think you misinterpret Hood's comment. At the time of his talking the Emperor was indeed dead. Yes when Makes gets launched in 2.0 we have the quote you note. Bioware is not beyond retconning and this is what happened. Even then that quote could have been for story reasons either yes...laying the foundation for 3.0 or simply people whose power relied on the Emperor's existence trying to maintain their power in his absense.

 

As for Makeb yes to HER it was a debacle. She hoped that Makes would extend the stretched Republic resources. However she realizes it isn't a debacle when she states

 

"With our new friends wealth and warships we have gained a substantial advantage over the empire."

 

This is a win...she still get wealth and ready built ships for the Republic AND can sell "see I ordered the rescue of an entire planet...aren't I great!!!"

 

All that said...

 

I acknowledge that her idea of the complete destruction of the Empire from without is currently a losing scenario. The nature of the war has changed to one of attrition to an extent and the Republic lacks the resources to outright eliminte the Empire in that kind of war. However the dynamics that spiral from an overextension have not become readily evident. No lost star systems or major battles, no wide spread rationing etc.

 

Now these things may happen if the war keeps on its current course. If that happens the Jingoism may fail. I just think you are getting ahead of yourself because the events that are necessary to make it fail haven't happened yet. There is yet to be any clear cut defeats to make it occur.

 

You seem to be using a combination of your personal view (Makeb "debacle") and meta knowledge (the soon to be over extended economic status) to come to a desired conclusion.

 

What is odd though is that you don't use another bit of meta. The reason her announcement that the Emperor is dead, or even Satele saying the same at the end of JK chapter 3 is not going to be a factor is because it is a retcon. Bioware is not going to have a retcon undermine a key NPCs because it would mean complications for the JK as a character as well. I will bet you a years subscription that they are not even going to address it.

 

When Saresh is written out (and I am sure she will be at some point) it will be for another reason. Since JK got to beat the Emperor maybe the Agent gets an assassination mission. Maybe she resigns in disgrace when it is revealed she knowingly worked with a league of assassins. Maybe she gets caught on tape ranting about how she is actually pissed one of our characters saved a worlds population like she did in private on Makeb. Maybe it comes out that she had approved the program Garza got nailed for.

 

Whatever the reason it's not going to be the announcement that the Emperor was dead.

[Ghisallo]

PS (to avoid edit confusion) I could see the GenoHaradan be involved in taking her down as a liability but not the way you do I think. They are to me like the Star Cabal. They are, and always will, work behind the scenes. However the revealed themselves to both Saresh and our characters. So I could see a storyline where Saresh and her policies are creating a liability. They want to stay in the shadows...they need a free Republic to operate in to maintain impunity and if they think she is endangering that they off her. Then not only will the characters be searching for the people who offed her, they will want to kill the players because they don't want any lose ends and in knowing about them the characters are just that

 

As for the Empire they would want to go after the GenoHaradan because even if they are a "dark" organization, they help support the Republic from behind the scenes. Both sides would have a motive to go after them.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Ghisallo

[Kol_Sinde]

Awww is the little Mandalorian upset that there is an order of Assassins out there that are potentially MORE dangerous and that the Republic has a leader with a spine? Heaven forbid.

I don't think I understand your post in context to what I said.

[Ghisallo]

I don't think I understand your post in context to what I said.

 

Was just making a joke is all

[wolfshadowhunter]

I dislike the chancellor more than any enemy that we face in any story line. I've hated her since taris. She's so smugg and manipulative. What I would love is a chance to be able to kill her with any class republic or empire. You think it will ever happen?

 

I agree, I was so mad with her at the end of the trooper story when she turn the prisoner I had spent chapter 3 trying to capture over to the empire without completely considering the consequences or the feelings of the people that worked so hard to catch him. General Gaza was mad with her as well. She just totally acted like she new what was best because she was chancellor but she didn't necessary because it was a military matter. Also she could be quite horrible to the people working for her on Taris like keeping a guy and his people in quarantine but he did want to risk his life for her. I can thing of a word to describe her and it began with B and sounds like witch. However sadly I doubt we will get the chance to get rid of her.

[wolfshadowhunter]

I think that was actually my favorite part of the expansion on Republic side: Finding out that the Saresh was evidently kept completely in the dark about what was happening, and Satele's response to her angry ranting being, "That's nice dear, but Commander Malcom and I know what we're doing.".

 

It's probably not the wisest response, particular given that relations between the Order and the Republic aren't at a tremendous high point, but man did it feel good seeing her put in her place.

 

Yep what he said. Can we see more line like this in the game

[Beniboybling]

REPUBLIC CITIZENS, HAVEN'T I TOLD YOU...?!!!????

 

THE JEDI ARE TAKING OVER -- PLUS THE SIS AND THE RELIEVED FROM OFFICE SUPREME COMMANDER.

 

Have no fear however. The GenoHaradan will protect us

 

Game Update 4.0, calling it now.

If anything this event can be twisted to heighten the war effort and strengthen Saresh's position. She, in public, ignores Satele's slap and then I see a speech like this...

I disagree really, the Republic had already been emboldened by the Emperor's announced death, the operation on Yavin 4 was effectively a covert one, and I suspect that both the Empire and the Republic will keep it that way, neither party will benefit from going public. I highly doubt the knowledge that a galaxy consuming mad man is back and loose will do much for morale, and if the Empire at large learns they are fighting against their own Emperor, expect dissent.

 

Concerning the GenoHaradan, I think expecting some kind of rise to power is jumping the gun a bit. For starters the GenoHaradan are already in a good position, and everything they are doing is really business as usual:

...The leadership of the GenoHaradan recognized the potential for their own organization to thrive under the Republic’s loose democracy, and chose to support the fledgling government from the shadows. Though only a select few are aware of them, GenoHaradan agents have continued to eliminate threats to the Republic throughout the Great War, and they remain one of the Republic’s most effective allies–although their motivations remain anything but patriotic.

 

--Taken from SWTOR Codex: The GenoHaradan

Readopting the position they served under Xim the Despot would be counter-intuitive, because as his name suggests Xim was running a totally different kind of operation, a despotism, an authoritarian state in which secret police was a viable government organisation. If Saresh or anyone else attempted to establish a secret police under the Republic, there would be outrage, uproar, and overthrowal. It runs completely counter to the Republic's democratic principles, the GenoHaradan works most effectively at arms length, firmly in the shadows, and needs to be kept that way.

 

But as I say this is just business as usual, Saresh is not the first to rely on the GenoHaradan, and she will not be the last, the only event I see coming to the fore is the possibility of Saresh being exposed, and both hers and the GenoHaradan's position being challenged, and the GenoHaradan possibility being struck at as a result.

 

That said the GenoHaradan themselves aren't really that bad, and I find it unlikely anyone of import will attempt to disrupt the profitable relationship they are having with the Republic, only Saresh's actions are out of line.

 

But yeah, I wouldn't expect some kind of power play any time soon, they're in a good place, it just isn't there style.

 

P.S. Wicked I understand (I believe) that English is not your first language, but you really need to understand what the definition of "for all intents and purposes" means, because you've got the wrong end of the stick there.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Beniboybling

[Ghisallo]

Game Update 4.0, calling it now. :DI disagree really, the Republic had already been emboldened by the Emperor's announced death, the operation on Yavin 4 was effectively a covert one, and I suspect that both the Empire and the Republic will keep it that way, neither party will benefit from going public. I highly doubt the knowledge that a galaxy consuming mad man is back and loose will do much for morale, and if the Empire at large learns they are fighting against their own Emperor, expect dissent.

 

Oh I agree both sides want it to stay that way. My theory was specifically directed at the theory I was responding to, that if it became public it would mean the end of Saresh. If anything it would empower her if spin correctly.

 

However yep, both would want to keep it secret... Marr most especially. If it became common knowledge in the Empire, the daggers would definitely get drawn among the Sith as Dark Lord s trip over each other to prove they are loyal to the emperor.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Ghisallo

[Darth_Wicked]

I think people around these parts are either hell bent interested in twisting what I said earlier, or just NOT reading altogether -- among other things.

 

So, in the interest of clarity, I shall re-approach what I said:

I am actually expecting that to play a role in the events to come, presumably following the demise of the Sith Emperor.

 

Though Saresh herself was the one to announce that the Emperor was dead, both Satele and Jace Malcolm were standing beside her, with the former going so far as to state it was a joined SiS and Jedi committee to conclude that the "galaxy's greatest villain [was] gone forever".

 

And now, considering the events transpired in SoR, we had the Jedi Grand Master going temporarily rogue, the Supreme Commander backing up her decision, plus Theron as a link to the SiS -- who is also their son. To add injury to insult, the Emperor was NOT truly dead all along.

 

The writing is on the wall.

 

The GenoHaradan wish to expand, a return to glory, to the times of Xim the Despot and what not. Their puppet will bend or break, as will everyone else.

 

 

TL; DR:

 

^^ Though the latter part was in jest, the former surely wasn't.

 

It is a FACT that Satele, with Theron at her side, the latter a disavowed SiS operative, decided to form a temporary alliance with Darth Marr of the Dark Council, only informing Saresh of what went down on Yavin 4 following the end of hostilities with the Revanites, and the reawakening / resurrection of the Sith Emperor.

 

In other words, for all intents and purposes -- and I'm fairly sure the usage here is correct, unlike what someone tried to imply earlier -- Satele went rogue, albeit temporarily.

 

This puts a damper on things, especially considering Supreme Commander Malcolm, for whatever reason, chose to side with Satele in her assessment that an alliance or truce was needed; in addition, there's the FACT that Saresh, in order to cover for the Makeb debacle -- as she called it -- chose to announce to the galaxy that the Emperor was dead, something that was... inaccurate.

 

There are several other things to consider.

 

The war, as far as Saresh's leadership is concerned, is NOT going well. AT ALL.

 

The Republic has overextend itself in several scenarios, the "alliance" with the Hutt Cartel was far less profitable that initially anticipated, in addition to the FACT nothing of value was retrieved from Makeb to fight the Empire.

 

To be blunt, Saresh's last clear triumph was one initiated by her predecessor, Dorian Janarus, which was still Chancellor around the time the Republic started to divert its resources to push back the Empire from Corellia. Even today, according to material pre-SoR, the Empire still maintains a presence on the planet.

 

In addition to all the above, the GenoHaradan still has to cover for whatever wrongdoings she may have committed, going so far back as to her governorship of the planet Taris.

 

Also...

Which only works to their advantage. Also, reading stuff attentively usually helps.

 

If the GenoHaradan was to be brought to the fold in a more meaningful fashion, they would still retain their secretive status.

^^ This much should be obvious really.

 

My point is that the situation is getting to a point where, as alluded to in SoR, Saresh has to rely on people she can't trust. That includes the Grand Master of the Jedi Order and its former lover, which is NOW the Supreme Commander. That was some nice forethought on her part BTW.

 

To conclude:

 

 

• Under her leadership, the Republic is reaching a breaking point, as far as its resources are concerned, and NOT only the Empire is troublesome.

 

• The Grand Master of the Jedi Order, later on with the support of the Supreme Commander, went rogue, even if temporarily, going so far in as to establish a truce or temporary alliance with a DC member.

 

• Makeb, which was supposed to be a MAJOR victory for the Republic, was a debacle, precariously shoved aside by this other MASSIVE announcement that turned out to be erroneous as well.

 

• Her questionable past, going so far back as to her governorship of Taris, is bound to get back to her.

 

So, either Saresh has the greatest fortitude to ever grace a Supreme Chancellor or, sooner or later, she'll break. Whether the GenoHaradan comes out of the shadows or not is of little consequence.

 

What matters is if Saresh will go down willingly, something I truly doubt, NOT to mention she'll most likely expect support from her patrons.

 

On another note, as mentioned earlier in another thread, it is highly possible that, as far as the larger galaxy is concerned, the Jedi Knight did strike the Emperor down all along, and no one will ever know the wiser.

 

However, Ziost -- or whatever is bound to come next -- may show differently.

 

Fin.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Darth_Wicked

[Leaveshill]

Ill.

The voice possess the full power and intellect of the Emperor. .

 

<Sorry to Necro a part of this thread that might be irrelevant at this time, as you've moved on to other subjects, but I just thought I should leave this here, as this statement is incorrect and the game itself shows it.

 

(Tol Braga's words about the Emperor, to the JK, before the JK leaves for Dromund Kaas. (4:32)

4:32.

"Even in his weakened state, you're no match for him"

The Emperor is clearly weakened, and even if he do possess the full power, which we do not know for certain, he's still weakened. Had he been at his full power, then guess what. The JK would die horribly. He has, as far as I'm concerned, not gained strenght since the last time? If he has, then it's not much. The Emperor was at his lowest when he met the JK. It's still impressive to be sure, but it's a part of the game and lore that the Emperor is weakened when he faces the JK.

 

Had the Emperor been at his highest, then the JK would die horribly. He has no defense whatsoever against Sorcery. S/he's not Barsen'thor nor Darth Nox, capable of force-barriers and other types of defence against sorcery. Meaning that the JK cannot, under any circumstances, defend against the Emperor at his peak. How can he defend against what happened at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOaSnzcVZwM (1:20; The first confrontation with the Emperr).

I'm not saying that Nor or the Barsen'thor had a chance either, but at least they have some knowledge about sorcery and defence. The JK's lightsabder cannot defend against such power, and I'm 100% sure that the JK didn't gain that much power in the short time between chapter 2 and 3.

 

Edited February 23, 2015 by Leaveshill

[wolfshadowhunter]

<Sorry to Necro a part of this thread that might be irrelevant at this time, as you've moved on to other subjects, but I just thought I should leave this here, as this statement is incorrect and the game itself shows it.

 

(Tol Braga's words about the Emperor, to the JK, before the JK leaves for Dromund Kaas. (4:32)

4:32.

"Even in his weakened state, you're no match for him"

The Emperor is clearly weakened, and even if he do possess the full power, which we do not know for certain, he's still weakened. Had he been at his full power, then guess what. The JK would die horribly. He has, as far as I'm concerned, not gained strenght since the last time? If he has, then it's not much. The Emperor was at his lowest when he met the JK. It's still impressive to be sure, but it's a part of the game and lore that the Emperor is weakened when he faces the JK.

 

Had the Emperor been at his highest, then the JK would die horribly. He has no defense whatsoever against Sorcery. S/he's not Barsen'thor nor Darth Nox, capable of force-barriers and other types of defence against sorcery. Meaning that the JK cannot, under any circumstances, defend against the Emperor at his peak. How can he defend against what happened at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOaSnzcVZwM (1:20; The first confrontation with the Emperr).

I'm not saying that Nor or the Barsen'thor had a chance either, but at least they have some knowledge about sorcery and defence. The JK's lightsabder cannot defend against such power, and I'm 100% sure that the JK didn't gain that much power in the short time between chapter 2 and 3.

 

Yea your not wrong as a knight if the Emperor had used the lightning move again you would so be finished, the Emperor nearly killed Revan in the Revan book with his command of the force. Back to the Chancellor thought she total always acts like she knows what best but in shadows of Revan the galaxy would have been destroyed if she'd had things her way and not temporarily allied with the Empire.

Edited February 23, 2015 by wolfshadowhunter

[Leaveshill]

Yea your not wrong as a knight if the Emperor had used the lightning move again you would so be finished, the Emperor nearly killed Revan in the Revan book with his command of the force. Back to the Chancellor thought she total always acts like she knows what best but in shadows of Revan the galaxy would have been destroyed if she'd had things her way and not temporarily allied with the Empire.

 

Chancellor Saresh might think she knows what best, but the problem is that she doesn't always see things in a neutral way, and yes she'd probably kill the entire galaxy if she got her way. She's after all a shady character at best, but well, let's hope we get to kill her once!

Or at least let someone do it.

Maybe the BH can get a second "kill the Chancellor" quest.

 

[Darth_Wicked]

Maybe the BH can get a second "kill the Chancellor" quest.

 

 

I had second thoughts about Janarus for a second, but Saresh?

 

That one I wouldn't.

 

[wolfshadowhunter]

Chancellor Saresh might think she knows what best, but the problem is that she doesn't always see things in a neutral way, and yes she'd probably kill the entire galaxy if she got her way. She's after all a shady character at best, but well, let's hope we get to kill her once!

Or at least let someone do it.

Maybe the BH can get a second "kill the Chancellor" quest.

 

yep, I kind of thing she can only see things from her prospective, she never considers that someone might had a different view point to her about how to do thing and the might be right

[Leaveshill]

I had second thoughts about Janarus for a second, but Saresh?

 

That one I wouldn't.

 

Same. Killing Saresh would probably be the most satifsying kill in game, at least from my POW. At least how the game stands now, I can't see a person I'd prefer to end.

 

yep, I kind of thing she can only see things from her prospective, she never considers that someone might had a different view point to her about how to do thing and the might be right

I don't think she cares, even if she knows. Her behaviour seems to be rather dark, but well, it'll be interesting to see how her role in SWTOR unfolds. She might be the brutal warleader, or she might be something darker. We'll see!

[Darth_Wicked]

yep, I kind of thing she can only see things from her prospective, she never considers that someone might had a different view point to her about how to do thing and the might be right

 

Saresh is, first and foremost, a politician and like any other politician, she has an agenda.

 

As seen

, at the end of RotHC, she claims that even though the Sith Emperor is dead, "the Dark Council remains the true political power in the Empire". In other words, she's setting her eyes on its members and their followers.

 

Comes SoR, and what happens in her watch?

 

The Grand Master of the Jedi Order establishes a truce or alliance with a Dark Council member, to prevent Revan from reawakening / resurrecting the Sith Emperor -- the same Emperor she claimed was dead, as part of an announcement to cover up what she considered to be a debacle, namely the Makeb crisis.

 

With all that said and done, what are her options exactly?

 

If she feigns ignorance after being informed of what happened, she's a weak leader, seeing her underlings and / or allies do their thing behind her back; if she doesn't feign ignorance and pretends to have known all along, then she has to admit she committed a GRIEVOUS ERROR, when she stated the Emperor was dead when it wasn't.

 

In addition to that, the truth about Makeb would probably come to the spotlight, not to mention its covering up.

 

Bleak picture.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Darth_Wicked