Branosaros Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Right. I've just finished Shadow of Revan with my Agent, and Sith Intelligence has been formed with Lana Beniko as the new minister, with you retaining some control, through your own skill if not through the grant of power from Darth Marr. My question is: What next? Will there be slight class stories again? Will it be that Lana just says different things to the new Sith Intelligence Commander? I am rather excited to see how this will work. Also, perhaps we can learn more about Lana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YichenQin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 You surely will learn more about Lana even you are not agent. Form you post, I guess you give the codex to the sith. So I think you should be work with her very well. Then again, I believe Lana's appearance will focus on event that relate to the emperor. Other than you will have to work with other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galdos Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 You surely will learn more about Lana even you are not agent. Form you post, I guess you give the codex to the sith. So I think you should be work with her very well. Then again, I believe Lana's appearance will focus on event that relate to the emperor. Other than you will have to work with other people. I can confirm the OPs event occurs even if you dont give it to the Sith. I sent it to the Republic (and defected) and had the same results. Marr is not recreating Imperial Intelligence as much as he is simply placing a new commander in charge of Sith Intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos_KidSWTOR Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I gave the codex to the Sith on my Operative and, Marr places you under a Sith in the new intellegence with that option. If you break the codex (Neutral option) He places you in command, and idk about the Light side option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The problem is: What happened to Jadus if you chose to join him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Basically i deleted all my agents(fully pvp geared for 55) and started over so i can give the Black Codex to the Sith. I was gonna do that anyway some time in the future cus it turned out that the Sith= Darth Marr and he is awesome.(my agents are very old,finished the story when the end game was Illum) But the Lana thing tipped the scales. I am leveling a brand new Operative atm. Edited December 11, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarisman Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 What I want to know is what happened to Darth Zhorrid. When Lana Beniko was placed in charge of Sith Intelligence by Darth Marr, I thought, "Wasn't Darth Zhorrid already in that position?" I tried looking it up on Wookieepedia, and it says that Darth Zhorrid was once the leader of Sith Intelligence and Lana Beniko replaced her. However, Zhorrid's article states that she is still on the Dark Council and Lana's article states that she is part of the Sphere of Military Offense. I just want to know definitively what Darth Zhorrid's status is. As of now, I believe that Darth Zhorrid is still on the Dark Council and Lana Beniko has Keeper's position. Also, I don't know why no one has asked this question before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenixmirage Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 What I want to know is what happened to Darth Zhorrid. When Lana Beniko was placed in charge of Sith Intelligence by Darth Marr, I thought, "Wasn't Darth Zhorrid already in that position?" By the end of chapter 1 she suffered a humiliating beat-down at the hands the other members of the Dark Council--that's the writing on the wall, right there. Then, if you side with Jadus, he sends you to go kill her. So by chapter 2 Zhorrid is, if not very likely dead, then very actually dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghisallo Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Right. I've just finished Shadow of Revan with my Agent, and Sith Intelligence has been formed with Lana Beniko as the new minister, with you retaining some control, through your own skill if not through the grant of power from Darth Marr. My question is: What next? Will there be slight class stories again? Will it be that Lana just says different things to the new Sith Intelligence Commander? I am rather excited to see how this will work. Also, perhaps we can learn more about Lana. Retain just some power? I used the Codex for myself... I am the Imperial Ghost... Lana is Head of Sith Intelligence and I am still the Ghost, a free agent serving the Empire as I see fit..... muhahahahaha now time to start laying the ground work for the Chiss Ascendancy to take over... Edited April 21, 2015 by Ghisallo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Loto Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I gave the codex to the Sith on my Operative and, Marr places you under a Sith in the new intellegence with that option. If you break the codex (Neutral option) He places you in command, and idk about the Light side option. Isn't it really weird that he puts you in a higher position for breaking the codex than giving it to the Sith? If I'm understanding you correctly. The problem is: What happened to Jadus if you chose to join him? I'm interested in Jadus as well; my Operative became his Hand but then erased himself with the codex and then gave the codex to the Minister of Intelligence. I didn't really see it as a betrayal at the time because I didn't know/trust the Sith that Jadus sent and being a ghost would be more beneficial to him anyway. But it looks like TOR is going to consider it a betrayal of Jadus anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWUSS Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I get the feeling both of them (Jadus and Zhorrid) will be dead or some other Exit Stage Left, allowing Lana to get a Dark Council spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWidowmaker Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Lana will never be on the DC. I chose the batman option as well so I am effectively on my own but with Sith Intelligence resources, contacts and tacit backing, on the other hand they get to disavow anything I do since I do not really exist anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWUSS Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Lana will never be on the DC. Why couldn't she be? She's the head of Sith Intelligence, which is probably a step below a DC position at the very least. It would probably have to be done with the consent and approval of the others on the DC (as opposed to Darth Marr solely placing her as Head of Sith Intelligence), but I don't see what would be keeping her as ineligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletBlaze Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Why couldn't she be? She's the head of Sith Intelligence, which is probably a step below a DC position at the very least. It would probably have to be done with the consent and approval of the others on the DC (as opposed to Darth Marr solely placing her as Head of Sith Intelligence), but I don't see what would be keeping her as ineligible. Probably from what I understand from the Sith Inquisitor. At the end of Chapter 3 they are put on the Dark Council and I would not think that the Sith Inquisitor would recommend her for a position on the dark council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loctys Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Probably from what I understand from the Sith Inquisitor. At the end of Chapter 3 they are put on the Dark Council and I would not think that the Sith Inquisitor would recommend her for a position on the dark council. I was thinking about that and for me and how I think my sith inquisitor is and what he would do (just my opinion on what my SI would do of course) he would recommend Lana for a position on the dark council and then back her up on the choice and help her any how possible and encourage her to do what ever it takes to join the dark council with his help etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaoZhao Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) Why couldn't she be? She's the head of Sith Intelligence, which is probably a step below a DC position at the very least. It would probably have to be done with the consent and approval of the others on the DC (as opposed to Darth Marr solely placing her as Head of Sith Intelligence), but I don't see what would be keeping her as ineligible. The dark council isn't something that you apply for like becoming assistant manager of human resources. The dark council works on a system of "succession." A new councillor rises when one falls. If you want to fill that void, you have to be in a position where it makes sense for you to be the successor of the previous member. Who is Lana supposed to succeed? Inquisitor spoilers: Also, remember that only darths are supposed to be eligible for the council. When the inquisitor is offered a seat, the first thing that's said is "what?! You can't put a mere lord on the council!" The inquisitor was treated as a special case and raised to darth so the tradition could be respected. Is Lana Beniko even a sith lord? I always assumed she wasn't because she just goes by her plain first and last name. Is the council going to let her skip straight to darth form apprentice rank? Why? Why bother giving her hand outs. She's not even really dark side, has no power base, and is clearly incapable of forcing herself into power like the inquisitor did. Who on the council would waste a thought on her? She has a job and she's expected to do it, like thousands of other sith across the empire. She's not that special. Edited May 8, 2015 by HaoZhao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Loto Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I'm not convinced Lana is strong enough for a seat on the Dark Council; possessed Surro KOed her in like a second on Ziost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exosasa Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I'm not convinced Lana is strong enough for a seat on the Dark Council; possessed Surro KOed her in like a second on Ziost. Combat is not the only factor in power. Vowrawn, for example, got KO'd by Lord Drahg but obviously is not a skreb. Besides, The player toons would get KO'd too as Lords. Especially from Vitiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spetulhu Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Power isn't the only qualifier but it is a major one. Personal power, influence, knowledge. You don't get to rise above your fellow Sith unless you are indeed better than them in some way. Heading Sith Intelligence is certainly not a bad place to be if you want to collect enough dirt on fellow Sith that they won't challenge you. Whether Lana is ruthless and power-hungry enough to do so is another matter. But she's in a good position to take a step up if a Dark Council member she could replace falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaoZhao Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Combat is not the only factor in power. Vowrawn, for example, got KO'd by Lord Drahg but obviously is not a skreb. Besides, The player toons would get KO'd too as Lords. Especially from Vitiate. Vowrawn is an old man. When he joined the council, he was probably in his prime. Also, remember that Zhorrid's tenure on the council was so disastrous specifically because she was weaker than Jadus and no one respected her as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exosasa Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Vowrawn is an old man. When he joined the council, he was probably in his prime. Also, remember that Zhorrid's tenure on the council was so disastrous specifically because she was weaker than Jadus and no one respected her as a result. True enough. The point still stands, you can't judge someone based off one combat instance against the Emperor. Besides, there's no one to contend Lana for the position. Zhorrid? Out of the picture. Jadus? Not in the galaxy/dead/imprisoned/something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKatarn Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) Heading Sith Intelligence is certainly not a bad place to be if you want to collect enough dirt on fellow Sith that they won't challenge you. Whether Lana is ruthless and power-hungry enough to do so is another matter. But she's in a good position to take a step up if a Dark Council member she could replace falls. The question is whether or not Lana would actually want that. She has no ambition to rise up in the power structure, her final conversation in 3.2 even has her say that she originally didn't even want to be Darth Arkous' advisor because she didn't get involved in Sith politics. As she puts it, she wants understanding of the Force. She wants to protect the Empire from its enemies. She has no ambition whatsoever to actually rule. Edited May 9, 2015 by BenKatarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spetulhu Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) The question is whether or not Lana would actually want that. . Which is why I asked if she'd be ruthless and power-hungry enough to go for it. But she is without doubt in a position that enables her to try if she feels it is necessary, like replacing a council member that has a detrimental effect on the Sith Empire's efforts to survive. Some other council members, like Darth Marr (a rational fellow) might also support her. Killing your superior is the ancient way, but sometimes you have to admit that appointing the right person for the job is more important than him being a deadly fighter. If all Sith appointments were about personal killing power they would have no chance of ever doing anything besides fight duels. And that rarely wins wars. Edited May 10, 2015 by Spetulhu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabenschwinge Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Right. I've just finished Shadow of Revan with my Agent, and Sith Intelligence has been formed with Lana Beniko as the new minister, with you retaining some control, through your own skill if not through the grant of power from Darth Marr. My question is: What next? Will there be slight class stories again? Will it be that Lana just says different things to the new Sith Intelligence Commander? I am rather excited to see how this will work. Also, perhaps we can learn more about Lana. Hmmm. Technically Lana refers to Imperial Agent player characters as "Commander". As in Commander Bond, I suppose. Wish I could refer to her as "M" in turn. God, I wonder why they did not add a title "Commander" for the Imperial agent, I must admit I like the sound of that. From an in-character perspective I was not too happy to have somebody else in front of my nose, I was hoping to be made minister myself. That would have meant sacrificing a lot of my independence and being drawn in the political gambits again, but at least that would have given me a clear purpose beyond "for the Empire, but against the Sith". However, Lana is a pretty much the second best choice they could have made and even though I am generally wary regarding Sith messing with the affairs of IA, I distrust Lana less than most other Sith. (I actually like her, but that's a different story.) Whether the class stories will continue and if so how in the case of the Imperial Agent ... Well, I suppose things will continue as they do for now. Lana's the boss, but she appreciates and respects me (and if not she hides it well) and I don't mind working with her. She is still a Sith, but she is also one of my own, and I do watch out for my own, may it be Keeper, Watcher 2 or Lana. PS: Regarding a possible move for the council: Wasn't there an instance where you could ask her why she did not call herself "Lord" or "Darth" or anything and she replied that titles where not so very important to her. I would not be surprised if she was not so very interested in being on the Dark Council; she might consider it a waste of time and energy. Remains to be seen however. Both my Imperial Agent and my Sith Inquisitor would carefully back her but strongly advice against it. (My Sith Inquisitor is only through the main story line yet, haven't plain the extension with it yet and I don't know how the interaction with Lana is from that perspective.) Edited May 10, 2015 by Rabenschwinge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisernick Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The question is whether or not Lana would actually want that. She has no ambition to rise up in the power structure, her final conversation in 3.2 even has her say that she originally didn't even want to be Darth Arkous' advisor because she didn't get involved in Sith politics. As she puts it, she wants understanding of the Force. She wants to protect the Empire from its enemies. She has no ambition whatsoever to actually rule. that could mean that Marr who wants the dark council to stop infighting (which is funny cause we never see it nor are our inquisitors ever challenged by others it seems) she would be perfect he lack of hunger for power may be a good thing and the way DK members drop like flies in this game it wouldn't be hard for her to ascend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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