Anzel Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Remember when everyone was all like, "Hey are you guys going to test this massive, fundamental change to the game we all pay for?"... and you guys were all like, "Oh, we're doing a special secret test. It'll be great!". Yeah. Not so much. How about next time you know, maybe test something this big with people willing to help you out FOR FREE so that we aren't left with a bug ridden, barely playable system. Just because it builds on *your machine doesn't mean it's ok to deploy. Grace Hopper is rolling in her grave somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 What exactly is 'bug ridden' and 'barely playable'? I've been playing all day yesterday and today so far with zero issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliOrion Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Yes but see, then they might have had to go to their bosses and say something like "The players didn't like your ideas, Sir." But give the testing to a few "privileged elite" and make them feel smug and superior about it, and you can almost guarantee that most of them won't complain too hard. Then you can go back to your boss and say "Gee Sir, we can't understand why we lost all those subscriptions after stubbornly forcing through some badly thought-out changes proposed by executives who don't actually play the game. After all, the guys in the closed beta loved it!" Edited December 3, 2014 by CaliOrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikogiant Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) What exactly is 'bug ridden' and 'barely playable'? I've been playing all day yesterday and today so far with zero issues. The final boss is bugged. If you're lucky he's bugged to your favor, if you're unlucky you might have to kill a bunch of elites and redo dailies. Edited December 3, 2014 by nikogiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 What exactly is 'bug ridden' and 'barely playable'? I've been playing all day yesterday and today so far with zero issues. Well, I would not agree with the OP entirely, but there are known issues Kadin. They were even listed by Bioware. And that is not even a complete list of the issues that they are working on or investigating. I can provide more comments if you like, or you can check the dev tracker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEccen Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 What exactly is 'bug ridden' and 'barely playable'? I've been playing all day yesterday and today so far with zero issues. Barely playable is an exaggeration, but I've encountered three broken quests, so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Well, I would not agree with the OP entirely, but there are known issues Kadin. They were even listed by Bioware. And that is not even a complete list of the issues that they are working on or investigating. I can provide more comments if you like, or you can check the dev tracker. Expecting them to release an expansion or an update with ZERO issues whatsoever is a delusion. Same is true for every single developer in this planet. Edited December 3, 2014 by Darth_Wicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Well, I would not agree with the OP entirely, but there are known issues Kadin. They were even listed by Bioware. And that is not even a complete list of the issues that they are working on or investigating. I can provide more comments if you like, or you can check the dev tracker. None of that equals bug ridden or barely playable. Anyone expecting a game or expansion to launch bug-free is delusional. The OP's post is an extreme exaggeration and serves no purpose. edit: just read Darth_Wicked's response... I swear this wasn't a copy. Edited December 3, 2014 by Kadin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashgud Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 The last REAL test server was EQ1 test like in the first 3 expansions and base era. After casters realm was replaced by new MMO media outfits that had "beta" key events. Test servers have become more of just a dog and pony show from what I can see as to they will only maybe fix bugs but never make any changes from there dev plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Expecting them to release an expansion or an update with ZERO issues whatsoever is a delusion. Same is true for every single developer in this planet. This is true. Also, OP assumes that BioWare wasn't made aware of bugs ahead of time and released anyway. I'm pretty sure all updates that have hit the PTS, open or closed, have launched with bugs that were reported ahead of time but not fixed before release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 None of that equals bug ridden or barely playable. Anyone expecting a game or expansion to launch bug-free is delusional. The OP's post is an extreme exaggeration and serves no purpose. edit: just read Darth_Wicked's response... I swear this wasn't a copy. Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Expecting them to release an expansion or an update with ZERO issues whatsoever is a delusion. Same is true for every single developer in this planet. Again, DW, I hardly agree with the OP. I think that was a bit of hyperbole. But there are known issues...it was just a response to the poster saying that they had not encountered any issues at that point. Naturally you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 None of that equals bug ridden or barely playable. Anyone expecting a game or expansion to launch bug-free is delusional. The OP's post is an extreme exaggeration and serves no purpose. edit: just read Darth_Wicked's response... I swear this wasn't a copy. Hehe. I was not supporting the OPs contentions. Only responding to this comment in fairness.... I've been playing all day yesterday and today so far with zero issues. Just to point out that there are present issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Again, DW, I hardly agree with the OP. I think that was a bit of hyperbole. But there are known issues...it was just a response to the poster saying that they had not encountered any issues at that point. Naturally you are correct. That's the thing, Lord: There will always be known issues. Doesn't mean however that the OP is correct in his assessment. I also don't feel that attacking Beta testers is the best way to convey his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwence Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) not sure what you guys are smoking but Yavin 4 on Harbinger yesterday was brutal to play on if you were a quick leveler from probably 11am pst to 8'ish pst at night there was a good 15-20 seconds of ability lag for everything as the instance gained more people it became worse. procs would fade before you could activate abilities even (for me anyway) I mean I pushed through it cuz I wanted to get 60, but it was not enjoyable at all. BW/EA once again not prepared for a lauch that they have been advertising for a few months now at least from a stress test standpoint. I mean the started lagging when it hit 40 people and was just brutal around 50-70.. how can a server not handle that low number of people in 1 instance? Time to update hardware perhaps? I've been in this game since it launched and I've never been more disappointed than when I zoned into Yavin 4 yesterday, pretty inexcusable imo, which is a shame because from what I could tell all the quests and mobs were working just fine. only quest I found bugged is a daily on Rishii where you have to click some tree to lure out a raptor Edited December 3, 2014 by Gwence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) not sure what you guys are smoking but Yavin 4 on Harbinger yesterday was brutal to play on if you were a quick leveler from probably 11am pst to 8'ish pst at night there was a good 15-20 seconds of ability lag for everything as the instance gained more people it became worse. procs would fade before you could activate abilities even (for me anyway) I mean I pushed through it cuz I wanted to get 60, but it was not enjoyable at all. BW/EA once again not prepared for a lauch that they have been advertising for a few months now at least from a stress test standpoint. I mean the started lagging when it hit 40 people and was just brutal around 50-70.. how can a server not handle that low number of people in 1 instance? Time to update hardware perhaps? I've been in this game since it launched and I've never been more disappointed than when I zoned into Yavin 4 yesterday, pretty inexcusable imo, would be pretty ashamed if I was part of this dev team. It was the DAY the expansion got released. Why would you expect it to be perfect? Again, I was on all day yesterday with zero issues and the same for today. If I had experienced issues, it would have been expected. People continue to expect things to be perfect and it's ridiculous. If you've really been here since launch, this was far better than a LOT of past launches of updates. You should know that. Edited December 3, 2014 by Kadin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 That's the thing, Lord: There will always be known issues. Doesn't mean however that the OP is correct in his assessment. I also don't feel that attacking Beta testers is the best way to convey his point. Sure, but you do understand I am not the OP, nor do I endorse the OPs statement....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 You guys can slice this and wordsmith it all you want. Click on the Dev Tracker, click through the [bUG] section of the forums. Are bugs and regressions expected the first day of a launch like this? Sure. Of course. Did they test enough to ensure a smooth deployment (no pun intended)? Yes. The bottom line here is that they failed to test this correctly. Inviting a few of your friends over for pizza and asking them how much they love your work isn't sufficient. This was a crap job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Sure, but you do understand I am not the OP, nor do I endorse the OPs statement....right? You do agree, to a degree it would seem. Well, I would not agree with the OP entirely, but there are known issues Kadin. They were even listed by Bioware. And that is not even a complete list of the issues that they are working on or investigating. I can provide more comments if you like, or you can check the dev tracker. Up to the point you brought up the list, I reckon. Edited December 3, 2014 by Darth_Wicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 not sure what you guys are smoking but Yavin 4 on Harbinger yesterday was brutal to play on if you were a quick leveler from probably 11am pst to 8'ish pst at night there was a good 15-20 seconds of ability lag for everything as the instance gained more people it became worse. procs would fade before you could activate abilities even (for me anyway) I mean I pushed through it cuz I wanted to get 60, but it was not enjoyable at all. BW/EA once again not prepared for a lauch that they have been advertising for a few months now at least from a stress test standpoint. I mean the started lagging when it hit 40 people and was just brutal around 50-70.. how can a server not handle that low number of people in 1 instance? Time to update hardware perhaps? I've been in this game since it launched and I've never been more disappointed than when I zoned into Yavin 4 yesterday, pretty inexcusable imo, which is a shame because from what I could tell all the quests and mobs were working just fine. only quest I found bugged is a daily on Rishii where you have to click some tree to lure out a raptor And this is what I mean by "barely playable". Paying customers shouldn't have to deal with this garbage. Especially since it could have been EASILY avoided if they just ran it through a few PTS builds. I mean really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undiess Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) I will say it was splended that Death and Taxes got to be in closed beta. They knew exactly where to spawn camp on Yavin when early access started. Pro griefing. Edited December 3, 2014 by undiess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 None of that equals bug ridden or barely playable. Anyone expecting a game or expansion to launch bug-free is delusional. The OP's post is an extreme exaggeration and serves no purpose. edit: just read Darth_Wicked's response... I swear this wasn't a copy. HA! Busted for being Darth_Wicked's alt account!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeSaberRattler Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 And this is what I mean by "barely playable". Paying customers shouldn't have to deal with this garbage. Especially since it could have been EASILY avoided if they just ran it through a few PTS builds. I mean really. You are putting a lot of faith into the PTS even when they do use the open PTS you don't get a true load test. Plus for the most part the groups in the private beta would have been the same in an open PTS. That said any company is going to way known issues with delaying release. It is simply how all software company works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 HA! Busted for being Darth_Wicked's alt account!!! He's a loyal apprentice, a follower of my ramblings and words. You'd do well to show respect, before I go Force Choke and Kolto Probe on you. FOOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSupaCoopa Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Still a better launch than Halo: MCC. -Duran'del Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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