Aedey Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Why not just design a head slot wearable that is a folded hood? The system is already half there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blowwtorch Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Why not just design a head slot wearable that is a folded hood? The system is already half there. And suddenly one of the best suggestions arrived. That's actually a really good idea, dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantalas Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Because it might not go well with the textures of the chest piece you are wearing, even with the color matching feature. And I agine wearing a good with the Trooper or Bounty Hunter armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathanx Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 You beat me too it. I was just about to make a thread regarding an option to remove the hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedey Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Because it might not go well with the textures of the chest piece you are wearing, even with the color matching feature. And I agine wearing a good with the Trooper or Bounty Hunter armor. They could bring different textured ones out maybe? I've not messed around with photoshop or any modeling suites for a long time so most of you would probably have a better idea of how it all works. It might be a start though? As for the trooper hood.. meh, it gives points for creativity I guess? xD Edit: I've just thought of a bit of a booboo though. The hood probably wouldn't stick to the back, it'd wave around as you moved your head. Anyone who does modeling, Is there a node system they can just hook it on to perhaps? Edited November 21, 2014 by Aedey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorus Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Clear something up for me, please: this proposed piece of equip would go on the head slot or would it be new equipment slot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusramsey Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Unless this would only be done for new sets, it really wouldn't be any less work to accomplish than a toggle, except perhaps that it would introduce the (in my view unlikely) possibility to convert older sets in phases instead of all at once. That being said, I feel hoods should've always been a headslot to begin with, so I approve. /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedey Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Clear something up for me, please: this proposed piece of equip would go on the head slot or would it be new equipment slot? Head slot. Basically instead of a helmet or one of those ungodly sage funny hats it's a collapsed hood that drapes over the upper back. Only thing is you'd need to attach it to the back somehow which I'm not sure is possible. :L Edited November 21, 2014 by Aedey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorus Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Head slot. Basically instead of a helmet or one of those ungodly sage funny hats it's a collapsed hood that drapes over the upper back. Only thing is you'd need to attach it to the back somehow which I'm not sure is possible. :L I see how for Jedi it would work nicelly, but for sith... There are a lot of head gears which can be used under/inside a hood, and, by your proposition, that would become impossible. Many sith characters/players wear them. I want a way to have hood toggle, but not if it means removing possibilities that already exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I see how for Jedi it would work nicelly, but for sith... There are a lot of head gears which can be used under/inside a hood, and, by your proposition, that would become impossible. Many sith characters/players wear them. I want a way to have hood toggle, but not if it means removing possibilities that already exist. No possibilities have been removed by his suggestion. Maybe the possibility you are claiming isn't added, but that's a different case. An item with the appearance of hood down would be fine, slap it on the CM suggestion forums. Probably get a good amount of support for it and we might even see it added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorus Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 No possibilities have been removed by his suggestion. Maybe the possibility you are claiming isn't added, but that's a different case. An item with the appearance of hood down would be fine, slap it on the CM suggestion forums. Probably get a good amount of support for it and we might even see it added. Yes they have. If the hood goes in head slot, I can't wear a hood and a mask at the same time, so i can't have a hood up while wearing a breather (like Malgus'). Many sets that are caracteristic to sith inquisitors have that, a chest with hood up and a mask which doesn't remove the hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loc_n_lol Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 And I agine wearing a good with the Trooper or Bounty Hunter armor. I don't know, that might actually be really cool... If it's on a chestpiece without any backpacks or jetpacks to clip through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Yes they have. If the hood goes in head slot, I can't wear a hood and a mask at the same time, so i can't have a hood up while wearing a breather (like Malgus'). Many sets that are caracteristic to sith inquisitors have that, a chest with hood up and a mask which doesn't remove the hood. Not sure you are quite following. They are proposing a brand new item. So, all possibilities that exist now will still exist after this idea is introduced (should it be introduced). The idea goes as follows: - Equip a chest armor which has a hood. - Equip the new "folded down" item - Chest armor with hood hides its hood (functionality exists with several headpieces already anyways) - Player now looks like they have a hood down version of the chest armor The only possibility not available here is having a hood down and wearing a mask or something. But as I started with, if the possibility exists now, this change will NOT remove those options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverspar Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Not sure you are quite following. They are proposing a brand new item. So, all possibilities that exist now will still exist after this idea is introduced (should it be introduced). The idea goes as follows: - Equip a chest armor which has a hood. - Equip the new "folded down" item - Chest armor with hood hides its hood (functionality exists with several headpieces already anyways) - Player now looks like they have a hood down version of the chest armor The only possibility not available here is having a hood down and wearing a mask or something. But as I started with, if the possibility exists now, this change will NOT remove those options. Actually, no they didn't. They are proposing an item that goes in the head slot, which removes the ability to wear masks or headbands that Jedi typical wear. And I have to give a no to this as well then in that case. As it is just a head slot item that is a replacement for head pieces, that removes the actual look I was going for with my character. Edited November 21, 2014 by Silverspar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Actually, no they didn't. They are proposing an item that goes in the head slot, which removes the ability to wear masks or headbands that Jedi typical wear. And I have to give a no to this as well then in that case. As it is just a head slot item that is a replacement for head pieces, that removes the actual look I was going for with my character. Right. An item that goes in the head slot. So for the player that wants the hood down and doesn't care about headbands they have an option that currently doesn't exist without removing any current options. That doesn't hurt anything.... so why not. Edit: I am not saying this will give everyone the full functionality that people are looking for, but I see this as an option that that would be received positively by some of the players asking for hood toggle with effectively little design. Edited November 21, 2014 by azudelphi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorus Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Right. An item that goes in the head slot. So for the player that wants the hood down and doesn't care about headbands they have an option that currently doesn't exist without removing any current options. That doesn't hurt anything.... so why not. Edit: I am not saying this will give everyone the full functionality that people are looking for, but I see this as an option that that would be received positively by some of the players asking for hood toggle with effectively little design. The sugestion solves the issue for the player you described. What about a player who wants to be able to put the hood down or up at their discretion and still use a head gear? This proposed solution only solves half the issue and prompts a completelly different solution to the other half. The fact that most armors with hood down have similar amors with hood up already in game (and the oposite is also true) means that, for most armors, all BW needs to do is divise a way to create the toggle. No new items, no compromising solutions. Actually, the only armor model with a hood up which I can't recall a hood down counterpart for is the Voss robes. Note that model =/= skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedey Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 I see how for Jedi it would work nicelly, but for sith... There are a lot of head gears which can be used under/inside a hood, and, by your proposition, that would become impossible. Many sith characters/players wear them. I want a way to have hood toggle, but not if it means removing possibilities that already exist. I see what you're getting at here. Being a pretty much pure rep player this never really crossed my mind. Though one solution I can think of is having head slots that add the folded hood & a mask? Might need to wait a bit longer for the development time on it though. That's the best my thinking can take me, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverspar Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'm sorry, but your "solution" is not a solution, it just excites the problem, not pacifies it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedey Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I'm sorry, but your "solution" is not a solution, it just excites the problem, not pacifies it. This is why forums just don't work anymore. How about we share ideas that might help a certain system work instead of just throwing every point aside & saying it's ****. I know it's not the best idea, but what idea is without a constructive conversation to help blossom that idea. No one person can come up with the best solution for something, it's a group effort. The only way anything ever gets done is if there is construction for the solution. Everyone is just suggesting that there needs to be a toggle, no-one is having any other ideas on how to achieve the same result. Because the reality is it's been almost three years since they've promised this feature & we still do not have the toggle option. They are clearly not capable of doing it. This idea, in my opinion, cuts the need for a lot of code. For Bioware this is a very good thing, it's literally just a head piece. Edited November 23, 2014 by Aedey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SplashNOR Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) This is why forums just don't work anymore. How about we share ideas that might help a certain system work instead of just throwing every point aside & saying it's ****. I know it's not the best idea, but what idea is without a constructive conversation to help blossom that idea. No one person can come up with the best solution for something, it's a group effort. The only way anything ever gets done is if there is construction for the solution. Everyone is just suggesting that there needs to be a toggle, no-one is having any other ideas on how to achieve the same result. Because the reality is it's been almost three years since they've promised this feature & we still do not have the toggle option. They are clearly not capable of doing it. This idea, in my opinion, cuts the need for a lot of code. For Bioware this is a very good thing, it's literally just a head piece. A headpiece for the chestarmor, not the head-slot. That's the problem. If the chestpiece had the hood-up/-down toggle, the Sith could wear the mask in the head-slot. Edit. They could put the toggle in the same place they have the "hide head"-toggle. But this is for the chest-piece only, Edited November 23, 2014 by SplashNOR Adding ore details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverspar Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) This is why forums just don't work anymore. How about we share ideas that might help a certain system work instead of just throwing every point aside & saying it's ****. They work fine, I am sorry people do not agree with your point of view. Others have been suggesting for a while the solution; a toggle. Your idea would require them going through and removing the hood piece from all current armor, which would be as much if not more work than coding in a hood piece. Furthermore, your idea also excites more work because all helmet pieces that players may or may not want with a hood piece are non-options. Instead of getting offended because people disagree with you, maybe you should actually calm down and look at the situation as a whole. Instead of getting snippy and trolly in your response maybe accept that people have differing points of view and looking at the subject from a whole and not just one angle. Edited November 23, 2014 by Silverspar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedey Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Your idea would require them going through and removing the hood piece from all current armor, which would be as much if not more work than coding in a hood piece. No no no.. you're still not getting it. Here is a picture explaining the idea. It does not involve removing any hood in a modeling suit AT ALL, the system is already in the game! & please read me explaining it. Image One: This is the current look, okay. This is either with a helmet not displayed or not worn. Image Two: Pay attention to the hood & chest piece. With the helmet on they disappear on their own. THIS is the system that will do all the work. Image Three: The idea here is the "Helmet" is the hood draped around the shoulders. The hood IS the headpiece. It has nothing to do with the chest bit or anything like that. http://i.imgur.com/ooHBJPm.jpg Now I understand the point with the not being able to use a mask at the same time, but try to realize that we're never getting hood toggle. People need to stop suggesting it & come up with better ideas. If you don't like my idea or think it can be improved, tell me how it can be improved. I'm not saying you can't disagree with my solution.. but at the very least help refine it so that we can get developer attention for a change & maybe get the ball rolling. Hood toggle is never going to be a thing. They've quite seriously been "developing" this one (debatable) little feature for two years & ten'ish months. If you want the ability to have a hood down with mask or what ever then help think of a way to do that. Don't just sit there & say no this is a crap idea or what ever. Help refine the idea. I see the suggestion box as a think tank forum. This is where ideas need to be nurtured & improved. It's very easy to get caught up in negative things on a forum these days, but the suggestion box should be a place of more or less positive thinking & constructive criticism. Mark Zuckerberg didn't refine Facebook by himself. The entire aviation industry wasn't refined by one person. It takes multiple people to bounce ideas off of to have a working system. That's just the way things are. Either this or they release duplicates of all chest pieces with the hood down. Edited November 24, 2014 by Aedey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverspar Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 You must be new to MMOs. Never say never when it concerns MMOs, just because something hasn't happened. They use to say that UO would never get a boat update. They said they would never get vehicles in Champions. They use to say that WoW and I am sure TOR, would never get housing. Saying never is just asking to be proven wrong down the line. Also your picture while a nice attempt still doesn't cover the issue, because again they would have to go through all the variants out there to fix it, which would still require work. Then you would have to create a hood for each individual robe type, because no two robes are exactly the same. Some have highlights, some have frills and some hoods are actually different from their other companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedey Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) I've been playing MMOs for quite a while.. But that's proving my point though. They put housing in before a hood toggle... & I am by no means afraid to be proven wrong. I hope I am proven wrong by this because that means we'll get a hood toggle. I just want a system that will solve this issue. Edited November 24, 2014 by Aedey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedey Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Heck I still don't even know if the idea is possible. For all I know the entire basis of the idea won't work because their head slot area has limited real estate. But why dwell on that when we can sit here & develop a really good system that works? And if it does work one day appearance armour might become an implemented system & you can have that mask, but the first step I believe is here. Edited November 24, 2014 by Aedey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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