BenduKundalini Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Hi, I am a guildmaster (at least for a few more hours, my sub ends today and I might not be able to resub before tomorrow... great) and we don't have a guildship and can't afford to have one so far. This is the second time, in a row, that we're being rewarded the guild conquest objective reward (50k token, 3 random utility decorations, purple jawa mats). And I really don't get it. I thought this was a reward for LEADERBOARDS. For the INVASION TOP 10. Which needs... a guild ship. Am I missing something here? Thanks! ps I might not be able to reply Edited November 19, 2014 by BenduKundalini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Kaitou-Kid Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 From what I can tell I don't think you actually have to be GM or have a guild ship to set the invasion planet. Not sure how many officers and what not you have, but check your conquest tab and it should have the option somewhere for you to set the invasion. If you haven't been doing that it may be assigning you to one randomly as well. I'd just ask some of your officers or whoever has permission if they've set it, and if not it's probably assigning you to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenduKundalini Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the reply. I never said anything about needing to be GM, I just stated my (current) rank for general background/ advice on what to do, as you just did. I'm the only one with invasion options. So you're saying you don't need a ship to invade??? Or only the ship gives you the x2/x3 bonuses? (never had a single personal objective being multiplied besides by my stronghold bonus %) So assuming you're right with the theory that the guild is assigned with a random invasion if you don't choose one, is there a way to know which planet it is? (again, never seen any further bonuses added to my points). I'm afraid I'm skeptical on this one... Another strange thing is, Monday morning I really checked all leaderboards and my guild score was 60 000 points behind the lowest guild score on any board. So you don't even need to be in the top 10? I read someone mentioning top 30... but then again we always thought a flagship was mandatory be on the top 10. Really I've googled for hours, scoured Dulfy and whatnot, and haven't found comprehensive info on this. Took hours, by the same token, to learn that unlocking rooms in the guild ship isn't granting any kind of perks. Edited November 19, 2014 by BenduKundalini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyranos Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Maybe its a system bug, but its not ur fault so enjoy the gifts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Kaitou-Kid Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'm not super knowledgeable about this so I'm kinda going off speculation, so I could very well be wrong. But, I know for sure that with my guild I see what planet we're invading on the conquest tab. Under my personal score there's a box that says my guild's name, the planet we're invading, and the guild's overall score. Although, after a bit of research, it says on Dulfy you can't invade a planet without a flagship. So that would imply that you're definitely right on that aspect. So getting the guild reward is really weird, I'd guess it's a bug? If it was two consecutive weeks it may be something that was a side effect of a recent patch. Not really sure what else that could be. I will say, though, that you should definitely look through the leaderboards on Monday next time it awards you the guild reward and see if you're on any of them. That may help you figure out if it's a bug or if it's assigning you to a random planet to see if you make a top 10 or something. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenduKundalini Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Thing is, I'm obviously not complaining. But I like to know how things work - and hate to have to guess them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewski Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) You should not be getting that reward, so it's a bug of some sort. Edited November 19, 2014 by Brewski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Took hours, by the same token, to learn that unlocking rooms in the guild ship isn't granting any kind of perks. What do you mean? How on earth are you unlocking rooms on a guild ship you claim to not have?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortcat Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 What do you mean? How on earth are you unlocking rooms on a guild ship you claim to not have?! actually his post says it took him hours of searching to learn that there are no perks...he didn't say he had a ship...at least that's how I read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 actually his post says it took him hours of searching to learn that there are no perks...he didn't say he had a ship...at least that's how I read it That's why I'm asking for clarification - he says "Took hours, by the same token, to learn that unlocking rooms in the guild ship isn't granting any kind of perks.", which is rather vague...it may just be a point he was trying to make, I'm not accusing him of anything. If he actually has a guild ship (which he states he doesn't), then the cause is obvious...if he doesn't (and I assume he knows if he does/doesn't), then it's obviously something goofy going on with the database somewhere. My other thoughts are - what is his guild name and when was it formed? Could there be some duplicate guild name that they took and it may just be a database error?! Was he ever in one of the guilds doing well and maybe, again, there's some database issue? What about his toons name...is his toon possibly new, but using a name that may have been previously changed on someone else? I think it's clearly a database error somewhere...assuming he does NOT have a ship. I didn't mean to come off as accusatory. I'm just trying to clarify what he's saying because I see something that doesn't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenduKundalini Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) What do you mean? How on earth are you unlocking rooms on a guild ship you claim to not have?! Hi there, don't misread. The fact that I have or don't have a guild ship has nothing to do with looking for info about how they work. And dude is it hard to find info! actually his post says it took him hours of searching to learn that there are no perks...he didn't say he had a ship...at least that's how I read it Correct! I'm precisely looking HARD to see whether there is any point in getting a ship/unlocking its rooms if I'm already getting conquests... I like to know where I'm going before jumping in. Especially if I'm committing dozens of people along into it. Up until yesterday I was under the impression (some rumor, someone telling me in a wisp or in fleet, can't remember), that guild ships and guild strongholds provided achievement % bonuses just like personal strongholds, if and once you had a guild ship. Turns out => not true. (Therefore farming like crazy just to have some nice rooms? I'm so fed up with farming Oricon already. If I see another blood razor fern or geobeast larva I'm gonna puke!) I've personally funded like 7-8 million to deliver a true Jedi Academy feel in our fortress, and I'm super glad I did, but to dish out 130M and god know hows many frameworks, dark designs etc only for the sake of RP... ouch. Anyway! This shipless guild conquest reward remains a mystery... Oh, I'm leader of Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum on Mantle of the Force (French PVE server), small guild, republic side. (I'm also guildmaster on imp side so I really need to know what's what! We haven't done any conquests on imp side, and guild has a different name) I know there are other guilds named like that out there - though in other servers, and even in other games. Not on my server though. As for my char, 55 guardian, he was created 18 months ago, and the guild predates him by I guess a year. And I've remained true to the guild since day one, reason why I am guildmaster now (founder gone into unknown regions of space lol). Edited December 27, 2014 by BenduKundalini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cannot say what is wrong that you get this reward you shouldn't get, but I can say you stay guildmaster even when your sub ends, only when you do not lock in for more than 30 days that will change (and yes, that can happen even with a sub). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foambreaker Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 ..I'm the only one with invasion options.... Where are those options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaeus Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I have had this happen as well -- my characters that completed their personal conquest received guild awards at the end of the invasion. We have no guild ship. I invaded nothing. It's a bug. The Secret Mandatory Informal Random Planetary Invasion Theory: Every guild always has an invasion target listed somewhere in the bowels of the database, whether they formally invade or not. If there were fewer than ten guilds formally invading some forgotten planet that week, the non-invasive guilds got the leftover rewards for the remaining slots. The Equal Devastation Theory: If your non-invasive guild had as high a conquest score as the lowest actual invader, you got credit. The Early Bird Theory. I did happen to log in on the guild master bright and early that morning, that's the only unusual thing about that week. Maybe the first to log in gets a reward by accident. Anyway, it's a bug. Because if it isn't a bug, then it's a feature. A feature that we don't know how to use because it doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 In my formerly big guild that I ran for 2 years and in which I nowadays have parked my republic alts, I don't have a flagship, I am not able to invade a planet and I don't get invasion rewards; just the personal ones. So consider yourself lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hi there, don't misread. The fact that I have or don't have a guild ship has nothing to do with looking for info about how they work. And dude is it hard to find info! As for my char, Kenobewan, 55 guardian, he was created 18 months ago, and the guild predates him by I guess a year. And I've remained true to the guild since day one, reason why I am guildmaster now (founder gone into unknown regions of space lol). Thanks for the clarification...and yeah, Bioware didn't exactly go out of their way to tell us how things work with Conquests... I'm at a loss as to why you're getting the rewards...it has to be a database error...my hunch is that it has something to do with your characters (Legacy even), but that's only a guess...the guild name sounds unique enough (from my perspective) that I doubt that would be the issue...unless you possibly renamed it ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenduKundalini Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cannot say what is wrong that you get this reward you shouldn't get, but I can say you stay guildmaster even when your sub ends, only when you do not lock in for more than 30 days that will change (and yes, that can happen even with a sub). Thanks for chiming in about that! However I know this from personal experience. Six months ago I found myself unsubbed (they should send an email really!) for just one day and BAM, no longer Guildmaster, event though I played every day. One of my officers was kind enough to relinquish leadership to me, and this is what is going to happen in an hour or so I guess. (This time is because my plastic card is about to break from too many wipes, lol) As for the 28 days yes, this is how leadership landed on me, the former GM lost interest in the game last year. Then there is the case of F2P guilds that were founded by F2P players, I know they work differently (at least at the start). Where are those options? Guild details/ ranks tab/invade planet I have had this happen as well -- my characters that completed their personal conquest received guild awards at the end of the invasion. We have no guild ship. I invaded nothing. It's a bug. The Secret Mandatory Informal Random Planetary Invasion Theory: Every guild always has an invasion target listed somewhere in the bowels of the database, whether they formally invade or not. If there were fewer than ten guilds formally invading some forgotten planet that week, the non-invasive guilds got the leftover rewards for the remaining slots. The Equal Devastation Theory: If your non-invasive guild had as high a conquest score as the lowest actual invader, you got credit. The Early Bird Theory. I did happen to log in on the guild master bright and early that morning, that's the only unusual thing about that week. Maybe the first to log in gets a reward by accident. Anyway, it's a bug. Because if it isn't a bug, then it's a feature. A feature that we don't know how to use because it doesn't make any sense. I like the theorization! I can't tell about 2 weeks ago, didn't pay attention to the boards, but on Monday morning all planets had 10 guilds on the boards, none of my players were doing any last minute objectives, and we were 60k points behind the lowest score on the boards. And yeah, I'm lucky on this one. Thanks for the clarification...and yeah, Bioware didn't exactly go out of their way to tell us how things work with Conquests... I'm at a loss as to why you're getting the rewards...it has to be a database error...my hunch is that it has something to do with your characters (Legacy even), but that's only a guess...the guild name sounds unique enough (from my perspective) that I doubt that would be the issue...unless you possibly renamed it ever? Nope, no rename or nuthin'. I read someone on these fora or on reddit claiming it was actually a top 30 thing. So that might fit with the Secret Mandatory Informal Random Planetary Invasion Theory above, if my guild totalled enough to get to rank 11 or 12 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenduKundalini Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 So this time we would have been qualified to be N°10 in one of the rosters (with around 50k points above N°10) but we didn't get guild conquest rewards. Too bad, I had 7 toons hit the objective this time... they must have patched that bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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