Transairion Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Assault cannon with two minigun barrels? Yes please. Does it actually fire out of both barrels? No. The second, lower barrel just sits there spinning away pointlessly. Quite possibly what may have been the best Assault Cannon in the game has been soiled by going the easy route instead of going the extra mile and having both barrels fire for cosmetic goodness. It just looks silly otherwise. Lorewise you can even explain the twin barrels only firing at half effectiveness so outgoing damage is the same... you can't really explain having two minigun barrels (on a brand new product, mind you) and one being purely cosmetic on a weapon of war. Props to Dulfy's ongoing service of uploading previews so I can save money not being suckered in. Extremely disappointed you didn't give us something amazing Bioware, there's no point in a dual-barreled minigun if one of them does nothing. Should've just lopped it off entirely. Edited November 12, 2014 by Transairion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essence_of_Light Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Agreed. It isn't a huge deal (at least, not to me) but it was quite a disappoint. In the end, that was the decision maker on whether I would get it or not, which I didn't. If they made blaster fire come from the bottom minigun barrel as well (or just removed the 2nd barrel altogether) that would've been a lot better, imo. Edited November 12, 2014 by Essence_of_Light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantalas Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Man, now I just want to buy it more. Damn you, lack of cartel coins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt-Snake Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 agreed why have a second barrel on your assault cannon if its not gonna fire any rounds? its like having two guns in your hand running around but only fire one....so its like WHY do you have two guns again!! how disappointing. i wanted to get it, then i saw dulfy video showing off the weapon and change my mind instantly....so unless they fix the second barrel or remove the second barrel i wont get it.:mad::mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanagosTsok Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Yeah i'll be THAT guy. No matter what new weapon skin they release it will be just that: a weapon skin. The animation of firing abilities is an entirely different thing and to remake them to seem like firing from 2 barrels needs extra unnecessary programming and it's not as simple as you think.No matter what cannon model you equip your grav round, full auto, HIB etc will look exactly the same in every single one. The only thing you'll be able to customize is the color of some abilities through your color crystal. So yeah live with it. Edited November 12, 2014 by PanagosTsok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantalas Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) To elaborate, I love the fact that the second set of barrels is completely useless. It already reeked of unnecessary extravagance and bad design, so it just makes it even better for me. I imagine the conversation went something like this: "So I designed this cannon, and get this: it has a laser pointer and a second set of barrels, which spins, like, all the time." "So what are the ballistic advantages of this configuration?" "Advantages? Nah, bro, it ain't even about that. It just looks groovy, you know." "Sweet stuff, let's make like a billion copies of the stuff." Edited November 12, 2014 by Khantalas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuriDogshin Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Assault cannon with two minigun barrels? Yes please. Does it actually fire out of both barrels? No. Lorewise ... you can't really explain having two minigun barrels (on a brand new product, mind you) and one being purely cosmetic on a weapon of war. Read the manual for the weapon: the lower barrel fires recoilless rounds for zero-G combat. Since you are not engaged in zero-G combat, it is automatically put into standby. However, it continues to spin to help dissipate the heat of the upper barrel. See, I can explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantalas Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Read the manual for the weapon: the lower barrel fires recoilless rounds for zero-G combat. Since you are not engaged in zero-G combat, it is automatically put into standby. However, it continues to spin to help dissipate the heat of the upper barrel. See, I can explain it. Dammit you took away all the cool factor from the weapon by making it almost practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Dammit you took away all the cool factor from the weapon by making it almost practical. You mean enhanced the cool factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantalas Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) You mean enhanced the cool factor. Practicality is cool in modern stories, science fiction and cyberpunk. I don't want practicality in my space fantasy, otherwise I start questioning lightsabers and it all goes to hell. Edited November 12, 2014 by Khantalas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Practicality is cool in modern stories, science fiction and cyberpunk. I don't want practicality in my space fantasy, otherwise I start questioning lightsabers and it all goes to hell. Then you prolly shouldn't look up what used to power Light Sabers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transairion Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Read the manual for the weapon: the lower barrel fires recoilless rounds for zero-G combat. Since you are not engaged in zero-G combat, it is automatically put into standby. However, it continues to spin to help dissipate the heat of the upper barrel. See, I can explain it. Firing recoiless rounds is still firing rounds, a "zero-G" claim in a game with no zero-G is a bit irrevelant... by that logic everything anywhere can be explained if you make up enough stuff. Pretty much "a wizard did it" in a nutshell. Yeah i'll be THAT guy. No matter what new weapon skin they release it will be just that: a weapon skin. The animation of firing abilities is an entirely different thing and to remake them to seem like firing from 2 barrels needs extra unnecessary programming and it's not as simple as you think.No matter what cannon model you equip your grav round, full auto, HIB etc will look exactly the same in every single one. The only thing you'll be able to customize is the color of some abilities through your color crystal. So yeah live with it. Meanwhile if you cross to the Imperial version of a Commando, they're firing from two barrels every single day. Edited November 12, 2014 by Transairion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Firing recoiless rounds is still firing rounds, a "zero-G" claim in a game with no zero-G is a bit irrevelant... by that logic everything anywhere can be explained if you make up enough stuff. Pretty much "a wizard did it" in a nutshell. Meanwhile if you cross to the Imperial version of a Commando, they're firing from two barrels every single day. Just because you don't like the reason doesn't mean it's made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuriDogshin Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Firing recoiless rounds is still firing rounds, a "zero-G" claim in a game with no zero-G is a bit irrevelant. Zero-G combat irrelevant to the lore (your word) of Star Wars? Surely you jest. Just because SWTOR doesn't have players doing zero-G combat missions yet, that doesn't mean the hard-working, forward-thinking engineers of Czerka aren't designing weapons for the zero-G combat market. And I note that we have underwater armor sets in SWTOR, but no underwater combat. Hopefully we'll see some zero-G combat in the new Star Wars movies. BH rocket packs and force-user telekinesis will make it pretty cool if they do it right. Pity the poor ground pounders, tho, if they don't have a Czerka assault cannon with zero-G capabilities! Anyway, you said it could not be explained. I provided a rational, lore-compatible explanation. So you were wrong. Stop digging the hole deeper. Edited November 12, 2014 by BuriDogshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divona Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Agreed. It isn't a huge deal (at least, not to me) but it was quite a disappoint. In the end, that was the decision maker on whether I would get it or not, which I didn't. If they made blaster fire come from the bottom minigun barrel as well (or just removed the 2nd barrel altogether) that would've been a lot better, imo. Agree. I would get that weapon if both miniguns had effects when shooting. Or with just one minigun it would also look great. Current version looks silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transairion Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Just because you don't like the reason doesn't mean it's made up. You mean the reason that was just made up on the spot in this thread? Cause I can say the Crest of the Dread Master item was a groupwide collaboration of the Dread Masters for their successor, but that doesn't make it true. Anyway, you said it could not be explained. I provided a rational, lore-compatible explanation. So you were wrong. Stop digging the hole deeper. Game =/= Star Wars general lore As far as we're concerned, it serves no function, because your lore-friendly explanation doesn't work ingame. It's an ingame weapon, serving an ingame purpose... I don't really care for a non-ingame explanation, savvy? Again, "a wizard did it" isn't good enough reason to sell an item with two barrels where only one works. An autocannon that's main feature is two barrels, and only one fires looks silly ingame. Nor is said fact advertised ingame any until you buy it. Heck I'm sure you could sell a blaster that DOESN'T fire at all, but that doesn't make it right either. Edited November 12, 2014 by Transairion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantalas Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Heck I'm sure you could sell a weapon that DOESN'T fire at all, but that doesn't make it right either. Why are you discriminating against vibroswords and electrostaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transairion Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 Why are you discriminating against vibroswords and electrostaves? Corrected to blaster to be non-discriminatory. A non-firing blaster is a club. An autocannon with two barrels and only one that isn't cosmetic is half a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 You mean the reason that was just made up on the spot in this thread? Cause I can say the Crest of the Dread Master item was a groupwide collaboration of the Dread Masters for their successor, but that doesn't make it true. Game =/= Star Wars general lore As far as we're concerned, it serves no function, because your lore-friendly explanation doesn't work ingame. It's an ingame weapon, serving an ingame purpose... I don't really care for a non-ingame explanation, savvy? Again, "a wizard did it" isn't good enough reason to sell an item with two barrels where only one works. An autocannon that's main feature is two barrels, and only one fires looks silly ingame. Nor is said fact advertised ingame any until you buy it. Heck I'm sure you could sell a blaster that DOESN'T fire at all, but that doesn't make it right either. You're being silly now, because there is evidence for why it is. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going Lalala isn't going to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcendent Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Zero-G combat irrelevant to the lore (your word) of Star Wars? Surely you jest. Just because SWTOR doesn't have players doing zero-G combat missions yet, Wait, you've never used the airlock on your ship?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurmez Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 if it fired from both I would have bought it, as it stands I wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Bluesky Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 My main problem with this weapon is clipping. It's all over the place. Another weapon directly from CM with this problem. It's so horrible I had to look away when watching some cinematics when testing it out. Such a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transairion Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) You're being silly now, because there is evidence for why it is. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going Lalala isn't going to change it. Evidence for a made-up reason? What now? Pretty sure he doesn't work for the Star Wars lore team... The real reason is "they were lazy/it's too hard to make both fire" so they just left is as a regular autocannon. Doesn't mean I won't call out that it makes it a subpar weapon, especially when there are so few good autocannons and expectations were rightly high for an actual two-barreled one. Edited November 12, 2014 by Transairion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomla Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Then you prolly shouldn't look up what used to power Light Sabers. The Energiser Bunny .... still ticking a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.... Edited November 12, 2014 by Gomla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Evidence for a made-up reason? What now? Pretty sure he doesn't work for the Star Wars lore team... The real reason is "they were lazy/it's too hard to make both fire" so they just left is as a regular autocannon. Doesn't mean I won't call out that it makes it a subpar weapon, especially when there are so few good autocannons and expectations were rightly high for an actual two-barreled one. Are you telling me you have no imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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