Zoom_VI Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) New Vanguard ability in 3.0, it reads Shockstrike: Strikes the target with an overcharged rifle butt, dealing kinetic damage and releasing a powerful discharge that deals elemental damage. Shares a cooldown with Stockstrike. Now lets think about this. First off it has the same issues shockstrike has. Generally speaking hitting a opponent with the butt of your gun hasn't been a effective strategy ever since they stopped making rifles out of dense wood. Not to mention unless I have to reload after every shot, I wouldn't want to be hitting people with my gun butt considering its usually faster to just shoot the guy than it is to flip my rifle around, then hit the guy, and then flip it back around. Secondly, the whole energizing part. Specifically the fact that I'm electrifying the rifle butt, which happens to be the part of the gun that is usually tucked into my shoulder. Obviously it would have a toggle, but if I had the ability to electrify a part of my rifle in order to make it a effective melee weapon, wouldn't it make more sense to electrify the business end of the rifle? You know the part of the rifle that I am probably already pointing in their general direction anyway? Oh and heaven help us if the rifle malfunctions and electrifies prematurely. Edited November 7, 2014 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 New Vanguard ability in 3.0, it reads Now lets think about this. First off it has the same issues shockstrike has. Generally speaking hitting a opponent with the butt of your gun hasn't been a effective strategy ever since they stopped making rifles out of dense wood. Not to mention unless I have to reload after every shot, I wouldn't want to be hitting people with my gun butt considering its usually faster to just shoot the guy than it is to flip my rifle around, then it is to hit the guy, and then flip it back around. Secondly, the whole energizing part. Specifically the fact that I'm electrifying the rifle butt, which happens to be the part of the gun that is usually tucked into my shoulder. Obviously it would have a toggle, but if I had the ability to electrify a part of my rifle in order to make it a effective melee weapon, wouldn't it make more sense to electrify the business end of the rifle? You know the part of the rifle that I am probably already pointing in their general direction anyway? Oh and heaven help us if the rifle malfunctions and electrifies prematurely. This is why we can't have nice things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryuku-sama Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Remember a thing Zoom. A sane person do not become a Vanguard A sane person stay grunt as long as they can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth__Reaver Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Sorry for this negative comment crinn but "who cares?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Is this really an issue or a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discosoc Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Consider it "psychological warfare." If I'm fighting someone and they suddenly do something as crazy stupid as that, it might throw me off my game or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOneOne Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Is this really an issue or a joke? Little of column A and a little of column B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikinai Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 To look cool of course, just like holding your pistol sideways while shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumperPenn Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I concur instead of rotating the rifle and bashing someone with the butt of the gun we should have a retractable bayonet that we deploy and use to stab people in the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYYankee Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The real issue is that rifles are being used at all. The Vanguard should be given the eye implants that the cyborg on Maelstrom Prison has. Forget about the rifle and just blast the eye beams. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItachiZaku Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Like a tazer. You wish to disable, not kill. I guess this makes sense, because Tauntaun's and interstellar space battles are also real issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOneOne Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Like a tazer. You wish to disable, not kill. I guess this makes sense, because Tauntaun's and interstellar space battles are also real issues. They are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pquadro Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Overcharged butt sounds like a Rihanna super move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinalle Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) And let's not forget: "Not to even mention that you have to be in melee range to use it." Sorry, I just can't watch these "ranged Vanguards/Powertechs". Edited November 7, 2014 by Halinalle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOLRanger Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I have to agree to a certain extent, they really should try to keep things a bit more believable and natural, some abilities seem very impractical especially for the functional purpose they seem to have. A Stockstrike would surely be useful to momentarily stun someone or knock someone over to the ground, but to do damage to someone, especially someone with heavy armour which usually is the case one would think to use something sharper like a bayonet, or just pull the trigger on the rifle which you are using. Stockstrike/Shockstrike would be better off altered to function as a mild emergency CC/resource regeneration utility in case you go out of ammo, a move of desperation, available only when out of ammo for 3 seconds, knocks the enemy on the ground for 2s, and channels a 2s reload sequence which allows the reload of your weapon with up to 30% resources, it can be interrupted, cancelled by movement and reduced by 'pushback'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth__Reaver Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 But to be honest its does not sound all that bad I mean... A knife or tiny saber on the barrel woulda been fine ya but idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_osss Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Because you're smashing someone in the face with your electrified butt? Why would you not do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pquadro Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Mmoar butt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantalas Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) ...tank Vanguards already have this, though. Why you chose this particular moment to be outraged about it is beyond me. Edited November 7, 2014 by Khantalas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadoken Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Is this another one of those pointless 'realism in Star Wars' threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 The real issue is that rifles are being used at all. The Vanguard should be given the eye implants that the cyborg on Maelstrom Prison has. Forget about the rifle and just blast the eye beams. Problem solved. I would love to know how I'm supposed to fire explosive round out of my eyeball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defecter Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I would love to know how I'm supposed to fire explosive round out of my eyeball. Obviously, nanomachines will fire out of your eyeballs and construct explosive rounds in mid-air. In other news, Flamethrower and Flame Burst are now executed by shooting fire out of your butt (note: these skills can only be executed with the help of a second person and a lighter). Edited November 7, 2014 by Defecter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cernow Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Stockstrike has to be the lamest attack in the whole game, in terms of animation and concept. I had hoped they might use 3.0 to revamp it and give it a cool factor to compete with the Bounty Hunter's Rocket Punch. Sadly no, they just made a sparkly version instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 Stockstrike has to be the lamest attack in the whole game, in terms of animation and concept. I had hoped they might use 3.0 to revamp it and give it a cool factor to compete with the Bounty Hunter's Rocket Punch. Sadly no, they just made a sparkly version instead. Honestly I find Stockstrike better than rocket punch, but I would prefer a practical ability over both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACeMossie Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Honestly I find Stockstrike better than rocket punch, but I would prefer a practical ability over both of them. I have to agree here. Rocket Punch, because it does the damage immediately instead of a slight delay, makes the whole rotation feel disjointed and like i'm slowing down immediately after using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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