AAAAzrael Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Lately on TRE during conquest events (so whole week apart from Mondays) it's nearly impossible to get decent ranked game due to tons of people queing in PVE gear who get one-shotted at the start. This is especially painful if a good imp team queues as they are usually only 4 queued there and keep winning against random assortments of good players and PVE geared people. There is especially one guild that does it a lot and only communication that can be received from them about it is "we need conquest points". Is it really impossible for Bioware to give players a chance to have decent ranked game by discouraging those people from queuing? At least provide a big warning for those under 2018 expertise, or something (as half of the people claim they queued by accident). Please do SOMETHING. Sorry for the rant but I just had too much of that today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMannii Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Dont blame them, blame BioWare. We have told BioWare countless of times we want restrictions in solo ranked. I think everyone should have 2018 expertise, or else it's not ranked. I dont want this to get bolstered, i want this to be in your gear before you do ranked. Play normal, earn commendations to get 2018 ranked. Right now you need only obroan gear to get to 2018 expertise, it's cheap and fast to get. After you've done this you should be able to queue for ranked. Only PvP-gear in RANKED warzones, yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm-Cutter Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 if they're on the enemy team farm them if they are on your team help them . Pvp isn't an exclusive club so build a bridge and get over it . queue as a team or pvp on Mondays or -shock/horror - show them how awesome you are by winning despite being paired with sub par team mates . -easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake_Chambers Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 if they're on the enemy team farm them if they are on your team help them . Pvp isn't an exclusive club so build a bridge and get over it . queue as a team or pvp on Mondays or -shock/horror - show them how awesome you are by winning despite being paired with sub par team mates . -easy. No doubt it's what I do, bring your fully min maxed pve gear with like 1k expertise, I can 3v4 EASILY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomiSotto Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Well, right now is a delicate time, when investing into Obroan is a bad idea, because it is going be useless a month from now, while the comms will hugely increase in purchasing capacity. Ranked is sort of weird. There is not enough incentive to do it seriously, but it gives one what one wants if you can't care less. In the end, to make sure you are as much prepared as possible, is to build a team. That's the only way the ranked PvPer dream of always playing with good players and against good players (who are just tiny bit shot on skill so they lose) who load in every 4-5 minutes. Solo is a luck of the draw, and will always be, no matter what rules you impose. Even if the player loads in a full PvP suit, that full PvP suit will only prologue the agony of an inexperienced player by the grand total of 20-45 seconds. And since there is very little time to figure out how to fight the arenas in the unranked (don't load often enough, no incentive to play them, it is easier to leave and re-queue for an 8x8), chances are anyone who is not a MMO progeny will end up completely unprepared for ranked. Edited November 2, 2014 by DomiSotto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Lately on TRE during conquest events (so whole week apart from Mondays) it's nearly impossible to get decent ranked game due to tons of people queing in PVE gear who get one-shotted at the start. This is especially painful if a good imp team queues as they are usually only 4 queued there and keep winning against random assortments of good players and PVE geared people. There is especially one guild that does it a lot and only communication that can be received from them about it is "we need conquest points". Is it really impossible for Bioware to give players a chance to have decent ranked game by discouraging those people from queuing? At least provide a big warning for those under 2018 expertise, or something (as half of the people claim they queued by accident). Please do SOMETHING. Sorry for the rant but I just had too much of that today.... Well, search in your nearest unranked PUG Q for the those who got their 2018 at min max . . . an calculated easy win chance against an uncertain win choice, it is an old pvp truth in swtor since day one . . . If not q in there with the OP so he isn't so alone . . . On the other hand this would probably not be a problem in Group Ranked, where Qing with friends, with the right gear probably wouldn't be an issue . . . ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderKool Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I Feel your pain, ranked should have a 2018 requirement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm-Cutter Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 No doubt it's what I do, bring your fully min maxed pve gear with like 1k expertise, I can 3v4 EASILY. My gear is far from optimal. I only started PvP again few months ago with new characters in the mind-20s - 30s level-wise. and manage the daily only 2-3 days a week. - But I always platy to the best of my ability, and put the team goals before personal glory. - It's a team game after all. I dont recall more than 2 or 3 games where we've been 3 against 4 and won. - Just collect the comms and move on. OP QQ-ing about the matchmaking won't change a thing. The matchmaking in GSF is even worse with conquest chasers suiciding every 20 seconds. - But you fight your corner and keep flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuldro Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 i could care less about people in bad gear, as it is there are many people out there in lesser gear that are out performing fully geared people by a long shot. i'd rather have people wiht 1k expertise that at least know how to play properly than a fully geared operative healer putting out 500hps or a madness sorc spamming lightning bolt putting out sub 1k dps, etc etc... tl;dr while people in bad gear is an issue i think its the lack of general skill thats more important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec_Fortescue Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) First of all Bioware needs to implement gear checks like in WoW. If you don't have a BASIC PvP gear set then you're out of arena. Same for Group Finder which should have included Hard Mode options. ' Second Bioware needs to actively punish and issue arena bans to obvious game throwers. What they're doing is harassment and trolling as they're wasting other players' time. Certain player single-handedly prevented most of the active Republic pvp players on TofN from queuing as they were affraid of playing with him. All tier 1 s1 and s2 winners can be counted on a single hand! Third: they need to remove conquest points from Arenas as they attract the worst crowd from the kolhoz guilds who are there just to get some points, not caring about actual winning. Fourth: New Grenades. Grenades should be sold via PvP vendor for PvP comms. They're very expensive and many people don't bring them along. Too many people. C-tech grendes should, of course remain. Five: Arena kicks and replacements. A team should be entitled to kick a player once per game. During a pre-countdown setup before round coundtown begins and during the second round countdown. Once a replacement joins in. This way they can get a replacement for a troll / game thrower or AFK players. Six: Fix the matchmaking. It's good that hybrids are getting taken care of because their cheating of the system was insane. Now, just stop the class-stacking and forcing full dps teams to play against a team wiht healer Edited November 2, 2014 by Alec_Fortescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Yes there should be no bolster in ranked... Yes there should be restrictions... We have asked Bio for this But... Have you considered the reason not all people are wearing pvp gear is because of Bolster I play ranked on 5 toons who have full brutaliser gear (except weapons)... Recently I took advantage of the 12x XP to power lvl 3 other toons to lvl 55... Over the last 6 months I have spent a lot of time analysing the bolster system and I estimate spent about $2 mil credits and 40 hours at the bolster terminal playing with mods, armor, enhancements etc... So I think I understand it well With the expansion only 4 weeks away I decided I wouldn't buy pvp gear for my new lvl 55s and save my comms for lvl 60 pvp gear... And maximise stats using Bolster After spending more credits and more hours playing around with it on my new lvl 55 sage... I have been able to actually get higher stats and the same expertise as my Sorc in Brutaliser gear... Both have the same augments... And I have used the same "type/stat" ear, implant, mods, etc... That closely correspond with the pvp ones... But in a mix of Blue and purple PVE ones.... I was completely astonished I was able to achieve this... I decided I would just buy some Oberon relics to replace my low lvl standard blue augmented ones... And too my surprise when I equipped them I lost a huge amount of damage, 1% Crit and 100 expertise So my point is... If you know how to take full advantage of Bolster and know how to tweak it... Why even bother with buying ranked pvp gear???... Hopefully "they" will fix this in the expansion... But they are going to be adding augments to bolster in it... So best guess is it will be even more broken based on previous history I've tried ranked on my sage just to check... Obviously I got raged at by people who don't understand bolster and only look at gear and not stats... I suggest you check the gear, but also look at stats... I did just as good on my sage as my Brutalizer geared Sorc... Of course I am probably in a small percentage of people who have bothered to take advantage of bolster this way and a lot of people you are seeing with the wrong gear are noobs... But please actually look at their stats before raging and quitting... My guess is even these noobs who have the wrong gear have been bolstered fairly well, with out even realising it... The reason they get smashed is more likely skill than "just" gear... Ie I had a guildie who had finally achieved a full set of ranked gear... He automatically assumed he was ready for ranked... I played some regs with him and he definitely was not ready... When I pointed out that ranked was more about skill than gear... And if he was still getting face rolled in regs... Than ranked would be impossible At the end of the day, ranked is more about skill than "just" gear... These PVE noobs who are invading ranked for commendations should not be allowed to Bio you need to fix the prerequisites for ranked or remove commendations altogether Gear prerequisite is not enough... Skill lvl should be the prerequisite as well as gear How do they do that??... Base it on Valor... But make Valor legacy based so seasoned pvpers can re roll other toons and do ranked once they are geared. Remove Bolster from ranked completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAAAzrael Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Man, I am not talking about someone cheating the system I am talking about sentinel in greens with tank stim (got globbaled 10 seconds into the round and then quit). I am talking about a guardian with 500 expertise (I don't know how you get that low). I am talking about VG with 41115HP who refused to stop qeuing in PVE gear as he needs conquest points - his guild keeps doing that. I am no PVP hero, but I can paly pretty well I do high DPS, I can survive being focussed etc. but this kind of ****? I played like 5 games today that were like 2 vs. 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Man, I am not talking about someone cheating the system I am talking about sentinel in greens with tank stim (got globbaled 10 seconds into the round and then quit). I am talking about a guardian with 500 expertise (I don't know how you get that low). I am talking about VG with 41115HP who refused to stop qeuing in PVE gear as he needs conquest points - his guild keeps doing that. I am no PVP hero, but I can paly pretty well I do high DPS, I can survive being focussed etc. but this kind of ****? I played like 5 games today that were like 2 vs. 4. Ok...not sure how maximising bolster is cheating the system... It's using the system as it is currently set up to maximise your setup I'm also not sure how someone in greens would only get 500 expertise... Bolster should be giving them between 1930-1936 expertise... Unless they had expertise mods added to each piece of PVE gear The tank with 41115HP would probably have had 180+ PVE gear... Any PVE gear over 162 gets negative bolster... Meaning they hardly get any expertise and in some cases their stats are lowered by bolster... Most "ops" PVE players don't realise this... They think they have the "best" gear in the game so they should be able to do anything like they do in NiM ops Unfortunately, unless Bio introduce a skill based system for entering ranked... Or get rid of conquest from ranked... We will continue to see these noobs in ranked... Nothing we can do except play premade... If you play against these noobs in premades they get stomped... End of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 The tank with 41115HP would probably have had 180+ PVE gear... Any PVE gear over 162 gets negative bolster... Uh, Tanks in full PvP gear have over 41k HP...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Uh, Tanks in full PvP gear have over 41k HP...... True... But not if they have low expertise... I think that's what he means? Also thanks for the info you sent me...very insightful Edited November 3, 2014 by Icykill_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Dont blame them, blame BioWare. We have told BioWare countless of times we want restrictions in solo ranked. I think everyone should have 2018 expertise, or else it's not ranked. I dont want this to get bolstered, i want this to be in your gear before you do ranked. Play normal, earn commendations to get 2018 ranked. Right now you need only obroan gear to get to 2018 expertise, it's cheap and fast to get. After you've done this you should be able to queue for ranked. Only PvP-gear in RANKED warzones, yes please. it's worth noting that when you require 2018 exp, you also eliminate any bolster or NiM gear advantages that a person could grab from pve, cuz the only way to have 2018 exp is to be in full pvp gear. so that one requirement kills like 3 birds: 1) played enough pvp to get full set; 2) cannot abuse bolster; 3) cannot get advantage with NiM pve type gear with better stats than a pvp (usually a weapon thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 it's worth noting that when you require 2018 exp, you also eliminate any bolster or NiM gear advantages that a person could grab from pve, cuz the only way to have 2018 exp is to be in full pvp gear. so that one requirement kills like 3 birds: 1) played enough pvp to get full set; 2) cannot abuse bolster; 3) cannot get advantage with NiM pve type gear with better stats than a pvp (usually a weapon thing). It's only a weapon thing if you use, 156 hilt/barrel, 162 mod, 156 enhancement, PVE 41 crystal for your specific class... The difference from having 2018 expertise to having 1936 expertise by using that setup is in favour of the PVE setup because bolster is broken... That is why you will see a lot of pvpers using PVE weapons while on full brut gear... Also depending on the class... It is also better to have a 152 implant or ear piece... You will end up with about 1930 expertise and far better stats NiM weapons over 162 get no expertise and get reverse bolster... Implants and ear pieces over 152 are also "nerfed"... If you are going to use PVE ones instead of pvp ones you should not use ones above 152 Until or if they ever fix bolster there will be ways to min/max your stats with a mix of pvp and PVE gear... If they just removed bolster from the highest teir pvp level and ranked... Then people would be forced to gear in proper pvp gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 .... this that and the other thing. expertise gate solves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAAAzrael Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Ok...not sure how maximising bolster is cheating the system... It's using the system as it is currently set up to maximise your setup [/quote[ MAximising performance by whatever means does not bother me. Being underpowered to the point when game is lost before it even begun is. None of the people I complain about delivered any performance to the match. [qoute] I'm also not sure how someone in greens would only get 500 expertise... Bolster should be giving them between 1930-1936 expertise... Unless they had expertise mods added to each piece of PVE gear This was mix of examples. I don't remmeber what the guy with 500 expertise was wearing probably some high end PVE gear. The tank with 41115HP would probably have had 180+ PVE gear... Any PVE gear over 162 gets negative bolster... Meaning they hardly get any expertise and in some cases their stats are lowered by bolster... Most "ops" PVE players don't realise this... They think they have the "best" gear in the game so they should be able to do anything like they do in NiM ops That wasn't a tank. Unfortunately, unless Bio introduce a skill based system for entering ranked... Or get rid of conquest from ranked... We will continue to see these noobs in ranked... Nothing we can do except play premade... If you play against these noobs in premades they get stomped... End of story Yes unfortunately in solo ranked you have no influence on who you get. I keep getting bad luck getting lots and lots of games like this in a row against team of experienced imps who do ranked (only very few of them queue there so it's usually 4 in same team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-ToXiN Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Game needs expertise requirement for 55 solo rankeds. Simple enough. Get the ungeared PVErs out of solo queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Game needs expertise requirement for 55 solo rankeds. Simple enough. Get the ungeared PVErs out of solo queue. And remove bolster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 And remove bolster If you put a expertise in there is no reason to remove bolster, and you don't want to remove bolster either because bolster does actually affect PvP gear and screwing with it would screw up the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 If you put a expertise in there is no reason to remove bolster, and you don't want to remove bolster either because bolster does actually affect PvP gear and screwing with it would screw up the meta. Makes sense... But I can't see why they "need" to have bolster for ranked... Shouldn't having full expertise gear be enough... I guess it would throw out all their calculations and balancing for the lower bolstered levels... Not sure this would be viable... But maybe they could just remove bolster from any PVE gear people take into ranked... That would encourage them to gear properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Makes sense... But I can't see why they "need" to have bolster for ranked... Shouldn't having full expertise gear be enough... I guess it would throw out all their calculations and balancing for the lower bolstered levels... Not sure this would be viable... But maybe they could just remove bolster from any PVE gear people take into ranked... That would encourage them to gear properly Bolster also increases mainhand weapon damage significantly. Removing it would lower the damage output of main hand heavy classes, such as marauder, juggernauts, assassins, snipers, etc. TTK goes up without bolster. Edited November 3, 2014 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Bolster also increases mainhand weapon damage significantly. Removing it would lower the damage output of main hand heavy classes, such as marauder, juggernauts, assassins, snipers, etc. TTK goes up without bolster. Sure does... Which is why I use PVE weapons instead of PVP ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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