The great 3.0 class lobby

[Csillagkari]

First of all, I'm a subscriber and I preordered the 3.0 expansion, so you can imagine how much I care what class will have new powerful combos... I will play that one.

 

But its starts to be out of control how many nonsense QQ self class lobby threads grow nowdays in our forum.

 

Honestly guys, do you think that BW knows nothing about there own game mechanics? : P That you can make fool of them with your lobby threads about classes what you clearly never played, just they killed you a few times till WZ so you call them OP in hope of there nerf? lol

 

I see your goal clearly, that you think, that with your nonsense QQ'ing you will force BW to buff YOUR prefered class in 3.0 and nerf THE CLASS WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. Do you realy think that BW is that fool? : D And they will eat it? hahaha

 

Honestly just preorder the expansion and you will have that ((((OP)))) class in 3 days at 55. Its the price of 3 beers to preorder it, buy it and you will be relaxed.

 

And please stop this self class lobby bulls*it in the name of "class balance"

Every one who played the game with all classes knows, that all class can be a chalanging and could be OP deppends on the situation, all of them have pors/cons and actually BW making a great job by keeping class balance controled, and making all classes very entertaining and powerful in the right hands.

[MisterPepssi]

So... what you're saying is that if I've never played a class I can't call it op?

[Lhancelot]

I think most people actually create posts or respond to threads because they have concerns about changes in a game they enjoy, that could possibly make it less enjoyable. These people write on forums to vent their frustrations and concerns.

 

I doubt that people come here with the idea that their concerns or as you call it, their "crying and self-lobbying" will alter the route Bioware goes with development changes. Most of us have played many MMOs before, and realize that the company of the game ultimately goes where they want, and tears of the gamers rarely change that direction.

[znihilist]

I think most people actually create posts or respond to threads because they have concerns about changes in a game they enjoy, that could possibly make it less enjoyable. These people write on forums to vent their frustrations and concerns.

 

I doubt that people come here with the idea that their concerns or as you call it, their "crying and self-lobbying" will alter the route Bioware goes with development changes. Most of us have played many MMOs before, and realize that the company of the game ultimately goes where they want, and tears of the gamers rarely change that direction.

 

The tears of stun breaker reset on death certainly did work!

[Lhancelot]

The tears of stun breaker reset on death certainly did work!

 

Rarely change, the key word... My point is most people post on forums for fun or out of frustration I think the number that actually are self-lobbying for changes to their class before the 3.0 patch even has been implemented is not the case.

 

Sure some do this, but, to create an angst-ridden thread purporting that an epidemic number of people are "self-lobbying" is kind of silly and sounds bitter over nothing. But, hey, I love threads like this. Anger and tears never fail to amuse.

[MsMalice]

Just out of curiousity OP, what classes and specs have you played in 55 PvP? What class/spec is your main?

 

I've played madness sorc & veng jugg a fair bit in 55 and can safely say beyond a doubt that they need to be... adjusted.

[Tellenn]

Most pvpers don't have mains to lobby for, they play a range of classes. Its pretty clear where the balance issues are.

[DariusCalera]

First of all, I'm a subscriber and I preordered the 3.0 expansion, so you can imagine how much I care what class will have new powerful combos... I will play that one.

 

But its starts to be out of control how many nonsense QQ self class lobby threads grow nowdays in our forum.

 

Honestly guys, do you think that BW knows nothing about there own game mechanics? : P That you can make fool of them with your lobby threads about classes what you clearly never played, just they killed you a few times till WZ so you call them OP in hope of there nerf? lol

 

I see your goal clearly, that you think, that with your nonsense QQ'ing you will force BW to buff YOUR prefered class in 3.0 and nerf THE CLASS WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. Do you realy think that BW is that fool? : D And they will eat it? hahaha

 

Honestly just preorder the expansion and you will have that ((((OP)))) class in 3 days at 55. Its the price of 3 beers to preorder it, buy it and you will be relaxed.

 

And please stop this self class lobby bulls*it in the name of "class balance"

Every one who played the game with all classes knows, that all class can be a chalanging and could be OP deppends on the situation, all of them have pors/cons and actually BW making a great job by keeping class balance controled, and making all classes very entertaining and powerful in the right hands.

 

I still don't believe that any of the developers have ever played a mercenary or commando.

[Csillagkari]

Just out of curiousity OP, what classes and specs have you played in 55 PvP? What class/spec is your main?

 

I've played madness sorc & veng jugg a fair bit in 55 and can safely say beyond a doubt that they need to be... adjusted.

 

I have 2 AC. One since game launch, one was made for my wife, but now I play that fresh one as well and lvl'ing up toons like a mad till the 12× xp seems a nice oportunity even just for name chage , )

I played all classes in this game and I mostly play wz.

 

Back in the days I made some posts about class balance as well, but when I started to unlock all classes to 50, then with the hut expansion 55 in my veteran AC, I started to realize, that BW doing quite a great job in balancing. And I realized, that the only reason to make a threads where I would point a class and call it OP would serv just self-lobbying for my favorite class.

 

There could be always some kind of balance issues, till BW devs are humans as well : ) But it's not a small independent company, so they always will test and make there decision.

 

By the way, I like constructive suggestions, but just look at most of the qq threads - they are clearly have one scenario:

- the player just played a few wz, where he was beaten like a dog, so he jumps to the forum and make his non-sence post without any constructive idea, without any calculated proof, without any video what shows clearly his issue. So actually zero effort, zero proof but he calls for nerf or buff.

 

+ at the momment some players have the illusion, that till sorc/sage new 3.0 skill system was showed, they can put some preasure on BW to buff a bit the other roles. This poor guys probably have no idea, that all classes talent tree was already made just BW asked Duffy and the dataminer team to delet the information, till they don't release it by them self.

 

"I've played madness sorc & veng jugg a fair bit in 55 and can safely say beyond a doubt that they need to be... adjusted"

 

adjusted to what direction? If you mean buff them in def or dps, I would say it's don't needed. If you mean to nerf them, I absolutely would ignore it. Sorc in good hands can be deadly / or a very great support class, but if its played by a bad player, or he is unlucky and get focused in the fist sec, then the class can go down extra fast. Jug be the indistructible nightmare in good hands, but if he gets focused by cc and specially by interuption skills, he can survive, but will be good for nothing. But if it would be not like this, the game would be not interesting : )

[Csillagkari]

I still don't believe that any of the developers have ever played a mercenary or commando.

 

Commando/merc was very op at launch, then they get a huge nerf - a bit too big one. BW gives some buff with every class balance patch to comando/merc class but yea, sometimes it seems, that they are lacking a bit - BUT! just if you wanna play there healer after you played scoundrell/op or sorc/sage. I don't say, that it's not that good, but different and confusing, after the other two healer role.

But there dps tree! OMG! I play the middle tree with my commando - gravround×3 + full auto + high impack bolt and a 40k hp jug went down lol : p I like the sound when I melt there amor to zero : P

 

Edit: By the way, the overnerf of merc/commando connected to an endless qq on the forum back in the days. I guess BW realized, that its not the way to go after "qq/ suggestion threads" this hardly so they left "smash" as it was for 2 years : )

Thats way I say, that construcive suggestions, with calculations, videos... are always welcome, but I feel the oportunity of disaster if a non-sence, meaningless, self lobbying avalanche arrives to the forum. Specially befor an expansion.

Edited October 26, 2014 by Csillagkari

[Klintrin]

I think most people actually create posts or respond to threads because they have concerns about changes in a game they enjoy, that could possibly make it less enjoyable. These people write on forums to vent their frustrations and concerns.

 

I doubt that people come here with the idea that their concerns or as you call it, their "crying and self-lobbying" will alter the route Bioware goes with development changes. Most of us have played many MMOs before, and realize that the company of the game ultimately goes where they want, and tears of the gamers rarely change that direction.

 

Exactly ^

[Icykill_]

I still don't believe that any of the developers have ever played a mercenary or commando.

 

LoL... I now have every class and 2 of each skill tree (self confessed Alt Sl*t)... My last Alt I just finished power lvling to 55 was my Commando... I had heaps of fun and came in the top 3 DPS every match if not the first...

It all comes down to player skill in most cases... I also have the advantage of playing every other class... So I know their weaknesses/strengths, tactics and what works... I've also incorporated ideas and tactics I use on my other classes... Into all class game play

You also need to take into account the roles each class is supposed to play... Ie a stealth shouldn't be topping the DPS every match... They are (and I quote someone else) the special forces... Mercs and Commandos are the "artillery"... Melee are the ground troops... Each have the strengths and weaknesses...

 

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[teclado]

Honestly guys, do you think that BW knows nothing about there own game mechanics?

I know that there are a lot of non-native English speakers around here, so if you are one of them, just ignore the spoiler.

 

Otherwise...

 

 

THERE = OVER FREAKING THERE --->

THEIR = THEIR GAME MECHANICS

 

 

[DariusCalera]

LoL... I now have every class and 2 of each skill tree (self confessed Alt Sl*t)... My last Alt I just finished power lvling to 55 was my Commando... I had heaps of fun and came in the top 3 DPS every match if not the first...

It all comes down to player skill in most cases... I also have the advantage of playing every other class... So I know their weaknesses/strengths, tactics and what works... I've also incorporated ideas and tactics I use on my other classes... Into all class game play

You also need to take into account the roles each class is supposed to play... Ie a stealth shouldn't be topping the DPS every match... They are (and I quote someone else) the special forces... Mercs and Commandos are the "artillery"... Melee are the ground troops... Each have the strengths and weaknesses...

 

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I've been playing my commando for over 2 years now with 55's of all the other classes as well so I know their strengths and weaknesses.

 

However, the developmental process that is used by BW when it comes to mercs/mandos is sometimes questionable at best. I still don't think anyone has ever been able to come up with a plausible answer as to why they have a melee root on a ranged class or why it took so long to get things like a ranged interrupt.

 

Have things improved? Yes. (I still remember the days of 5 GRs for a full powered DR and no Hold the Line or E-net)

 

But the mercs/mandos seem to be the last to get decent quality of life adjustments. The answers that were given for the class rep questions were, basically, either wait for the expansion 8 months down the road or they weren't touching anything.

 

One could also just look at the leader boards and see that they are lagging behind in representation.

 

I honestly don't think that the devs know how to adjust mercs/mandos because the niche that they are supposed to fill, that of a ranged turret class, is currently filed by snipers, that do it better, and they don't know how to fix one without taking away from another.

[Khalil]

First of all, I'm a subscriber and I preordered the 3.0 expansion, so you can imagine how much I care what class will have new powerful combos... I will play that one.

 

But its starts to be out of control how many nonsense QQ self class lobby threads grow nowdays in our forum.

 

Honestly guys, do you think that BW knows nothing about there own game mechanics? : P That you can make fool of them with your lobby threads about classes what you clearly never played, just they killed you a few times till WZ so you call them OP in hope of there nerf? lol

 

I see your goal clearly, that you think, that with your nonsense QQ'ing you will force BW to buff YOUR prefered class in 3.0 and nerf THE CLASS WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. Do you realy think that BW is that fool? : D And they will eat it? hahaha

 

Honestly just preorder the expansion and you will have that ((((OP)))) class in 3 days at 55. Its the price of 3 beers to preorder it, buy it and you will be relaxed.

 

And please stop this self class lobby bulls*it in the name of "class balance"

Every one who played the game with all classes knows, that all class can be a chalanging and could be OP deppends on the situation, all of them have pors/cons and actually BW making a great job by keeping class balance controled, and making all classes very entertaining and powerful in the right hands.

 

Yeah youre definitely out of your mind with this post and in the dog on minority as well, Sorcs are OP as hell - Ive played every class in the game and I shouldnt be consigned to playing just one dam class to compete thats BS - Say what you Say but its BS All day - 75% of the leader board on top 100 is a Sorc or Sage and I bet you think its a dam coincidence - aint that much dam skill in the world - when one class dominates of all classes Balance is most definitely the one thing that's needed. 3.0 is gonna handle that no more hybrid BS and Oh Sorcs wont be the only one able to cast on the move

[Khalil]

I have 2 AC. One since game launch, one was made for my wife, but now I play that fresh one as well and lvl'ing up toons like a mad till the 12× xp seems a nice oportunity even just for name chage , )

I played all classes in this game and I mostly play wz.

 

Back in the days I made some posts about class balance as well, but when I started to unlock all classes to 50, then with the hut expansion 55 in my veteran AC, I started to realize, that BW doing quite a great job in balancing. And I realized, that the only reason to make a threads where I would point a class and call it OP would serv just self-lobbying for my favorite class.

 

There could be always some kind of balance issues, till BW devs are humans as well : ) But it's not a small independent company, so they always will test and make there decision.

 

By the way, I like constructive suggestions, but just look at most of the qq threads - they are clearly have one scenario:

- the player just played a few wz, where he was beaten like a dog, so he jumps to the forum and make his non-sence post without any constructive idea, without any calculated proof, without any video what shows clearly his issue. So actually zero effort, zero proof but he calls for nerf or buff.

 

+ at the momment some players have the illusion, that till sorc/sage new 3.0 skill system was showed, they can put some preasure on BW to buff a bit the other roles. This poor guys probably have no idea, that all classes talent tree was already made just BW asked Duffy and the dataminer team to delet the information, till they don't release it by them self.

 

"I've played madness sorc & veng jugg a fair bit in 55 and can safely say beyond a doubt that they need to be... adjusted"

 

adjusted to what direction? If you mean buff them in def or dps, I would say it's don't needed. If you mean to nerf them, I absolutely would ignore it. Sorc in good hands can be deadly / or a very great support class, but if its played by a bad player, or he is unlucky and get focused in the fist sec, then the class can go down extra fast. Jug be the indistructible nightmare in good hands, but if he gets focused by cc and specially by interuption skills, he can survive, but will be good for nothing. But if it would be not like this, the game would be not interesting : )

 

Let me get this straight I wanna make sure I understand. So You can stun lock me as a sorc/sage but i have a one breaker to get my resolve back then you can root me basically stunning me again and i take damage as well for which there is no defense if your melee yet it stil doesnt affect my resolve bar when it most definitely should why they havent done that is beyond me. it takes no skill to keep rooting and stun locking someone in place aoe them force lighting to death 4 dam button CT AF DF Force Lighting - Rinse & Repeat - oh lets not leave this out you can force armor so even when i jump to you you mitigate any where from 7 to 10 k damage with my set bonus - Oh my bad then you can bubble take no damage at all then once its done your basically invincible for 25k damage but no YOURE NOT OP - GTHOH

[shammah]

Commando/merc was very op at launch, then they get a huge nerf - a bit too big one. BW gives some buff with every class balance patch to comando/merc class but yea, sometimes it seems, that they are lacking a bit - BUT! just if you wanna play there healer after you played scoundrell/op or sorc/sage. I don't say, that it's not that good, but different and confusing, after the other two healer role.

But there dps tree! OMG! I play the middle tree with my commando - gravround×3 + full auto + high impack bolt and a 40k hp jug went down lol : p I like the sound when I melt there amor to zero : P

 

Edit: By the way, the overnerf of merc/commando connected to an endless qq on the forum back in the days. I guess BW realized, that its not the way to go after "qq/ suggestion threads" this hardly so they left "smash" as it was for 2 years : )

Thats way I say, that construcive suggestions, with calculations, videos... are always welcome, but I feel the oportunity of disaster if a non-sence, meaningless, self lobbying avalanche arrives to the forum. Specially befor an expansion.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. at launch people didnt know how to use their interrupts. So bioware nerfed them into the ground.

[Tellenn]

All of these class lobby arguments are void as the majority of players that complain about certain classes play those classes as a main.