Am I ready for 55 Hards?

[Dustile]

Please let me know if my tank is ready for 55 hards or how close he is. If he's not let me know what I can improve. Below are my stats (un-buffed)

 

 

Health ---------------------- 31,531

Armor Rating ------------- 9,439

Damage Reduction ----- 46.27%

Defense Chance -------- 13.92%

Shield Chance ----------- 30.87%

Shield Absorption -------- 24.73%

[Sangiban]

As a tank, I can say you look pretty good on the whole. Shield absorption should be a bit higher, but otherwise you're doing marvelously. I'm guessing you're in a mix of Black Market (156) & Verpine (168), so just work on getting elite and ultimate commendations for Verpine (168) and Oriconian (180) gear to keep bumping your stats up. Also Obroan relics work nicely til you get Arkanian ones, so doing some PvP is worthwhile too. Edited October 23, 2014 by Sangiban

[Loc_n_lol]

That looks a tad weak in defense I think (would be easier to tell with the amount of stat for each, rather than the final value), maybe throw in some blue augments everywhere if you don't have the budget for purples. and I hope you don't have any alacrity or accuracy crap in there.

 

Other than that, yes, you should be good to go. Just pray you don't get 2 overgeared dps who don't give a ****, because you won't be able to hold aggro on anything for long, through no fault of your own.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Loc_n_lol

[KiranK]

31K health? I wouldn't go in with anything less than 40. Definitely not.

[Ryuku-sama]

31K health? I wouldn't go in with anything less than 40. Definitely not.

 

And here is an idiot... PvE tank never stack Endurance. They get enough from armorings... The rest is spent on defensive stats.... L2P before telling others they are wrong.. OP's stat look good for HMs.... Not overgeared, but good.

[jayperringo]

And here is an idiot...

 

+1

 

40k points for HM55s is totally unnecessary, stats are fine if you know your job and play it well!

[Torvai]

People tend to forget that the very first 55 HM flashpoints were done with black hole or even rakata gear, so no more than 26-28k hp for tanks and a bit less for dps. And we did fine back then. Edited October 24, 2014 by Torvai

[vathouille]

Not 100% sure if you mean HM flashpoints or operations.

 

For Flashpoints, you should be more than fine to do most of them, especially the old ones like Athiss, Mando, Hammer ...

 

Started doing them under 30k and went fine.

 

HM 55 operations on the other hand ... not so sure.

 

A note about HP/mitigation : Yes, mitigation is the way to go and not having 45k HP does not mean that you're not ready for PvE content, but the way gear works in SWTOR means that you WILL get more hp as your gear improves. If I see a jug with 25k HP, I don't expect him to have maxed up defense, shield and abso simply because I expect his gear to be in the lower tiers. Just getting better armoring will give you a significant HP boost after all!

[Eternalnight]

Seriously stop talking about HP.

 

HP is completely useless in determining how good geared someone is.

 

At full 180 gear min/maxed you go far above 40k even if you take only low endurance versions of every mod and enhancement.

Alternatively you can go over 40k hp with mostly 162 rating gear, if you only take mods and enhancements from commendations gear which have higher endurance and lower amounts of mitigation stats.

 

In the case of the latter, a 40k hp tank who is endurance stacker is actually worse geared than a 30k hp tank who tries to max out his mitigation.

If he uses some gear with useless stats like ALACRITY its even worse.

I would much rather have a 25k hp tank with proper mitigation stats than a 40k hp tank with ALACRITY in his gear.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Eternalnight

[KiranK]

Wow, guess we're talking about HM FPs. I go into those at fresh 55. Thought he was asking about HM Ops. Haha.

[Eternalnight]

Wow, guess we're talking about HM FPs. I go into those at fresh 55. Thought he was asking about HM Ops. Haha.

 

Even for ops what you say is utter nonsense

 

31K health? I wouldn't go in with anything less than 40. Definitely not.

/facepalm

 

Scum and Villainy and Terror From Behind are 55 ops.

Their Hardmodes are tuned for someone with Arkainian gear.

 

A full 162 rated gear if you go for max mitigation as you should (not for max hp like bad players) will give you just over 32k hp (well 33k stimmed)

That is all you need to do 55 hardmode operations

 

Even for DF and DP hardmodes underworld gear is what they are tuned for

A full 168 gear with going high mitigation stat versions for every mod and enhancement will give you only little over 34k hp (or about 36k stimmed)

 

That is all you need for any HM ops.

 

And with a good enough group one can do them with even less.

 

There isn't a any hard mode operation that would require 40k hp.

 

Of course if you just use commendations gear, then you don't get nearly as much mitigation even if you are at 45k hp

[KiranK]

Even for ops what you say is utter nonsense

 

 

/facepalm

 

Scum and Villainy and Terror From Behind are 55 ops.

Their Hardmodes are tuned for someone with Arkainian gear.

 

A full 162 rated gear if you go for max mitigation as you should (not for max hp like bad players) will give you just over 32k hp (well 33k stimmed)

That is all you need to do 55 hardmode operations

 

Even for DF and DP hardmodes underworld gear is what they are tuned for

A full 168 gear with going high mitigation stat versions for every mod and enhancement will give you only little over 34k hp (or about 36k stimmed)

 

That is all you need for any HM ops.

 

And with a good enough group one can do them with even less.

 

There isn't a any hard mode operation that would require 40k hp.

 

Of course if you just use commendations gear, then you don't get nearly as much mitigation even if you are at 45k hp

 

What are you on about? 31K HP is way too little for HM ops. Raptus can hit for more than 30k on fully geared tanks. You'd never survive Rising Slash. There's no substitute for raw HP. That buffer makes the healer's job so much easier. Even in full Arakanian you have more than 39K health. You're smoking dope.

[Eternalnight]

31K HP is way too little for HM ops.

Wrong

It is more than enough for TFB and SnV HM

For DF/DP HM maybe a bit low, but just a tiny bit. 36 is plenty more than enough for any.

 

There's no substitute for raw HP.

Wrong

 

That buffer makes the healer's job so much easier.

Wrong

 

Even in full Arakanian you have more than 39K health.

Wrong

 

If you have 39k hp on 162 gear, it's not Arkanian, it's the black market gear from commendations, which is crap.

 

Here is how full arkanian looks like

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/4d847d68-c916-4625-8db5-a5f8ba3df38a

Only 33967 HP fully buffed and stimmed. (would be a tiny bit more on other tank classes, but nothing too dramatic)

Granted that amr profile is missing augments and arkanian has one enhancement with alacrity which need to be swapped for something else, so I would ask anyone in that gear to fix those first, but that is beside the point. Doing either of those things would not affect HP at all.

 

You're smoking dope.

Reported for abuse

[ValkyrieEin]

If you have 39k hp on 162 gear, it's not Arkanian, it's the black market gear from commendations, which is crap.

 

I think if you know how to select mods, then Black Market is actually not bad at all.

[vathouille]

Well, if you select alternate mods to get rid of the useless stats on black market, it's not really black market anymore is it?

[ValkyrieEin]

Well, if you select alternate mods to get rid of the useless stats on black market, it's not really black market anymore is it?

What I mean is swapping around mods from Black Market pieces, like, only use those with defensive stats only, for example. Granted that it is not a very economic way, as you can only use one (sometimes 2) mods from one piece of gear, but it is still doable nonetheless.

[Eternalnight]

What I mean is swapping around mods from Black Market pieces, like, only use those with defensive stats only, for example. Granted that it is not a very economic way, as you can only use one (sometimes 2) mods from one piece of gear, but it is still doable nonetheless.

 

No.

 

Black Market gear like all commendations gear is junk. No matter which piece you take they all have less of defense rating and absorption rating than raid gear.

 

A mod from Black Market gear (162 rating) will have 41 defense rating. No matter how many pieces you buy just for mods you can't get any better. At least all the ones from vendor are like that.

A mod from Arkanian items (also 162 rating) will have 52 defense rating.

On enhancements the difference is even worse.

[ValkyrieEin]

No.

 

Black Market gear like all commendations gear is junk. No matter which piece you take they all have less of defense rating and absorption rating than raid gear.

 

A mod from Black Market gear (162 rating) will have 41 defense rating. No matter how many pieces you buy just for mods you can't get any better. At least all the ones from vendor are like that.

A mod from Arkanian items (also 162 rating) will have 52 defense rating.

On enhancements the difference is even worse.

 

Still, (correct me if I'm wrong) it is not a huge gap, and with a set full of commendation mods, you can still roll in HM operations just fine until you get token gears.

[JouerTue]

when we started DF hm we were mostly UW and verpine, sm tokens and elite comms, nobody had a 180 hilt/barrel( that was the real deal lol) and we did our progression normally..if you are above 36k you won't be oneshotted by any normal damage any boss can put out if you stay on mechanics..with those stats just add def augments and find a good guild..you are perfectly fine fo 55hm flashpoints, they are designed for 148 mods which gives you like 25k-26k hp..oricon quest line gives you the 156 set, which needs some swapping of enhancements and you are ready for sm ops for sure

[Elyxin]

Wow, guess we're talking about HM FPs. I go into those at fresh 55. Thought he was asking about HM Ops. Haha.

 

you do bring up a good point. He didn't specify if he meant Ops or Hm FP's. I think most of us looked at the stats and assumed he meant FP's.

 

To the OP: Yes, your gear is fine for starting HM Flashpoints or Tactical FP's, but I would not hop into any HM Ops at your gear level. even a few SM Ops I would initially avoid...especially PuG's. Many PuG's don't even like taking DPS with less then 29-30k health. TfB being an exception, as it's really easy to do, especially the 16m.

 

And yes, health is a "poor" way to judge someones gear level, especially a tank. But as long as people aren't itemizing their gear horribly, there are certain health levels that can tell you how the player is set up as a baseline. in all honestly, there's not much more you can see about a toon when your on fleet and their over on ziost, or even on another planet. until you get close to them and inspect that is.

 

But even if you just buy comm gear and slap it on, your stats will usually be solid enough for most SM Ops, and plenty for HM FP's. itemization really is only crucial for HM Op's and beyond.

 

The best thing to do OP is to take a look at the gear level requirements for what your trying to do. it's usually listed in the quest description. then prioritize mitigation stats over health, and you'll be fine.

 

FYI...defense rating is always a challenge with us. just get as many lvl 55 blue or purple augments that you can with defense rating on them and you'll be golden.

Edited October 29, 2014 by Elyxin

[Joran-Koon]

There's some hate going on in this thread lol, chill my fellow guardians.

 

when it all comes down to it, we can all agree that Skill + Op knowledge > Gear level. The higher gear level helps provide a buffer zone for any lack of op knowledge. We know this is true cause many of you can do HM, and even NiM, in what most of us would call abysmal gear. All about knowing the op and your class. So the level of gear changes person to person to compensate for lack of knowledge.

 

I hope the OP got their answer. Good luck moving forward.