ZionHalcyon Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 My premise is that BioWare determines, regardless of forum outcry, that the majority of people prefer 12x class xp. If they made this change, I think the Completion rewards should be adjusted. What I mean is, across the board completion of quest reward changes. Class quest rewards should grant a random gear chest, and then the option of a green armor piece, or a green armor mod, at that level. This to help people stay geared at the levelling process. However, the tradeoff should be no Planetary Comms. Instead, for all the planet side quests, remove their armor rewards, and make all of them Planetary Comms rewards. The one exception is the Planet chain quests - those need an extra incentive to complete the chain. So, I suggest for those, take the custom armor for that planet, and make the whole set as an end reward for completing the chain. And use that as a planet rule of thumb - class story for xp and green armor/armor mods, planet side story for planet Comms and an armor set on completion, side quests for Comms, and remove Comms from class quests and increase them for side quests (but keeping NPC drop rates the same). Which brings me to heroics. I'd suggest removing armor from heroics, and instead make these have a choice of even higher planetary Comms drops, even-numbered purple at planet level armor mods (crafter's currently have odd number), or a decoration unique to that Heroic. You keep the 24 hour lockouts on heroics. I think these ideas would create a better flow, as well as provide incentive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmblake Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I wish they would do this, honestly. The 12x XP is the best thing to happen to this game. Allowing players to skip all the superfluous sidequests if they want to is amazing for immersion and burnout on questing, and allows players to get to end-game quicker. I do not, however, think it should be offered to everybody on every character from the get-go. I think you should have to level one character from level 1 to max level the hard way. After that, I think the 12x class quest boost should be active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'd make 12x XP a Legacy buff that players can RT Click off. Reapplying your personal buff would restart it. I'd change nothing else about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deewe Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 If 12x XP for class stories became permanent, how would you change the game? I'd have to write a book of how to change the game But one thing is certain it would mean creating a Kotor 3 for the next Xpack as V.O. Story would be again the core game play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscount Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'd make 12x XP a Legacy buff that players can RT Click off. Reapplying your personal buff would restart it. I'd change nothing else about the game. Totally agree. Should be one of the Legacy 50 perks we never got. I do recall certain Bioware people promising to make legacy actually worthwhile. Apparently it was forgotten like the CE vendor. I think it was brought up in NY cantina as well as a potential 3x per class completed or something like that (12x max). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadoken Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'd change nothing with how it functions with the other systems. I'd just like them to put it in as an optional legacy perk or something (make it per character if you must because of the complainers). I've had no troubles leveling characters from scratch with the way it is now. Yes you need to know something about the game and smart ways to gear. This option really isn't for brand new people but us more experienced people that have already seen the game for the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagikFingerz Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 As someone who hasn't done a single sidequest after their first character (and had 4 at L55 + 4 at L20-30 before the boost came along), I fully support making the 12x boost permanent in some way or another. Level 50 legacy unlock sounds like a good idea. Don't think it warrants any other changes to the game though, it's not like gearing is hard or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heezdedjim Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) This never will happen as an across-the-board change, even for a limited population like subscribers. However, it is plausible that they could decide to sell 12x XP on an ongoing basis as a Legacy unlock that you could buy with a high L-level and for > 1 million credits, or for some mildly unreasonable amount of CC. Brianna Royce at Massively.com suggested in an article about the pre-order bonus that at least one Bioware rep has stated that they are thinking about doing this very thing. I do not know her source for that, but I assume that it is credible. If it was available, would I buy it? Sure. Especially for leveling a new character of the other AC in a class where I already have seen the story once, and on a faction where I have seen the planets several times, it would be brilliant. I would love to have the option, and I most likely would use it more than once. How would I change the game? Not at all. At this point the main experience that I have of the stuff "skipped" during 12x leveling is what I get from going back and doing "map completion" on every planet to fill out the achievements, do all the quests, light up all the hexes, and etc. I like doing all of this content when I feel like doing it, but when I feel like doing it generally isn't when leveling a new character. Adding the option to skip the planet quests entirely at will does not mean they ought to be taken out of the game, or that they're any less worth doing (at some point, when I choose to do them) than they are now. And I don't think anything needs to be added to make 12x leveling "work." It's fine as it is, and there are both cheap and lavish ways to answer the gearing question. If it was available (for a price) outside of the preorder period, it would be a money maker for Bioware, and a welcome option for the truly incurable altaholics. So long as they make the money off of it that it is worth, there isn't really a downside to it, and it doesn't actually do much to change the game; it just adds another way that you may choose to play it. Edited October 20, 2014 by Heezdedjim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heezdedjim Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Level 50 legacy unlock sounds like a good idea. That would be fairly pointless since you probably have 16 characters anyway at that point, unless you spent insane amounts of time grinding at "endgame" on just a couple of them. Something more plausible like Legacy 40 + 1 million credits (for a per-character unlock), or some suitably lavish amount of CC with no Legacy requirement, probably would sell quite well though. Edited October 20, 2014 by Heezdedjim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlBuzzard Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm not so sure I'd change too much. Nothing wrong with the commendations (it helps to upgrade gear). I personally still take a lot of the quests... even early on (though not all). I would like to see some of the areas that are group only be available for one (again not all.. that just would not be right). From what I've seen so far there are not that many drops for the strong holds ( that may be my fault ... so no real complaint ... just saying.) Right now the 12XP helps me to better choose what missions I like . and ignore some of the rest ! soooo I really like that! I'm not sure why some folks are griping over this ? Sorry .. just not understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraineAlei Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Make the 12x Exp an unlock, maybe per character, with a toggle-option. I have played Imp side for the most part, so I can almost recite the planet quests for Imp faction from memory, and with 12x EXP, I have been breezing through. The unlock should be a high CC cost with the in-game option of Already Having a Character from that Faction at Level 50-55-60+ High Credit cost and maybe/maybe not a higher Legacy Level. Then it would unlock in the Powers Chart under "Personal" or whatever the one for self-character regardless of class is called, and would have to be manually turned on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionHalcyon Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Get rid of leveling and class stories entirely. Turn the game into a Counter-Strike/Phantasy Star Online hybrid. John Smedley, is that you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x_Boots_x Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Start adding a new monthly rotation of orange moddable gear pieces to the side missions so that there is still a reason to play the planet mission chain as well, in my opinion this should have been done from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarfux Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If this happened, big if, it should be a perk for max legacy level and having class stories already up to max on the classes. This would actually be pretty amazing for altoholics such as myself. Some type of toggle perhaps. But I wouldn't change anything at all about the game if it's done. Nothing at all. Just have the Legacy perk "12x experience boost for all class missions" under global. If they did it, that's all they should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highsis Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I resubbed this game for 12x XP and as soon as it ends I will quit aftering running Revan expansion with one character. Here for story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowermanx Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I cant see them doing it, its basically pushing customers out the door sooner, which doesn't make sense from a business point of view. Unless they made it a credit card only option that is not possible to get with credits, ala the expansion.. Then they can at least take money from those on their way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilSaihah Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I'd try to give planetary storylines and bonus storylines a point somehow. With that in mind... Step 1: Make it so that bolster can push your level and gear level down. Step 2: Change all the planetary storylines and bonus storylines into Staged Weeklies, and turn the sidequests into dailies. Have these rewards scale based on the player's real level when doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletBlaze Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 That would be fairly pointless since you probably have 16 characters anyway at that point, unless you spent insane amounts of time grinding at "endgame" on just a couple of them. Something more plausible like Legacy 40 + 1 million credits (for a per-character unlock), or some suitably lavish amount of CC with no Legacy requirement, probably would sell quite well though. Not really. I am Legacy 50 and I have 3 level 55 characters and 4 alts ranging from lv 21-41 and mainly just do dailies and some flashpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heezdedjim Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) I am Legacy 50 and I have 3 level 55 characters and 4 alts ranging from lv 21-41 and mainly just do dailies and some flashpoints. As I said, if you don't do gear treadmills or daily grinds, Legacy levels come pretty slow. I have five 55s (counting two that I deleted), and have had one of each class to at least 50. I leveled some of these characters (the tanks and healers) on nothing but flashpoints and class missions, back in the days before KDY, double XP, and 12x XP, but I only ran FPs while leveling and never did the HM gear grind. I don't do dailies. Ever. In any game. Including this one. Until 12x started, I was sitting at Legacy 36. Since 12x started, I'm now at Legacy 42, after finishing two and being near finishing a third character. I've been getting 2+ legacy levels from each new toon, and I estimate that I will most likely hit L50 from the remaining characters that I plan to finish before Dec 1. If not for this event, it likely would have been a year or more before I ever saw L50. Edited October 21, 2014 by Heezdedjim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jherad Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yeah, I don't expect them to do it, but I'd make it toggleable (so you can opt out), and dramatically increase the planetary comms that class quests awarded. Gearing is doable with alts, but annoying. John Smedley, is that you??? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knorlac Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I guess I'd be ok with that, as long as they implemented a toggle to go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadoken Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I resubbed this game for 12x XP and as soon as it ends I will quit aftering running Revan expansion with one character. Here for story. While I typically have higher aspirations (I always think I'll raid or pvp), that's also exactly what I end up doing myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpeSangrea Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If this becomes permanent they need to add a way to boost alignment gains. Hell, they should do this anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I wish they would do this, honestly. The 12x XP is the best thing to happen to this game. I could not agree more. I love it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraineAlei Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If this becomes permanent they need to add a way to boost alignment gains. Hell, they should do this anyway. Crew Skill Diplomacy. And FPs if you have outleveled them to the point of soloable, then you can sit and farm Talon/Esseles for LS/DS or another FP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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