kashelu Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Wanted to thank the team for getting 16 man ops through group finder back up an running again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 They did ? Still says 8 players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memo- Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 They did ? Still says 8 players It's being patched next Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Oh, nice... finger crossed it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardimuer Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I guess we can say goodbye to seeing 8man pugs on fleet. I enjoyed having a reason to do 8man ops instead of 16man where all kinds of people can get carried. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoorax Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) I guess we can say goodbye to seeing 8man pugs on fleet. I enjoyed having a reason to do 8man ops instead of 16man where all kinds of people can get carried. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Exactly my thoughts. Really enjoy that currently 8m yields the most. It is most friendly to those without more powerful gaming setups and indeed makes people responisble for the success or failiure, at least more so than 16m runs. Personally I really liked it as a training ground for new specs and alts, really have to play at least average to progress. Guess I will have to find hm guilds for my casual alts as well if I am to at least find some measure of difficulty. Edited October 18, 2014 by thoorax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancomh Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Just hope they fixed it this time around so that it doesnt lag as bad as it did in 2,7 Edited October 18, 2014 by ancomh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dras_Keto Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Exactly my thoughts. Really enjoy that currently 8m yields the most. It is most friendly to those without more powerful gaming setups and indeed makes people responisble for the success or failiure, at least more so than 16m runs. Personally I really liked it as a training ground for new specs and alts, really have to play at least average to progress. Guess I will have to find hm guilds for my casual alts as well if I am to at least find some measure of difficulty. 16m may be slightly more lenient, but I still doubt many pure pugs will be able to do Bestia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I guess we can say goodbye to seeing 8man pugs on fleet. I enjoyed having a reason to do 8man ops instead of 16man where all kinds of people can get carried. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Do full 8man runs through group finder actually happen ? Like sucessfully happen ? What I see it's just 16 up until last boss or whatever and then disband for 8man to get the 30comms. Which I find annoying. I know it's more effective since you get more comms, but it's a hassle. If I join a 16man which disolves for 8man later I just don't bother and I leave thing unfinished, lol If this works, I guess I'll be able to finish those quests on some of my peeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midianlord Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Do full 8man runs through group finder actually happen ? Like sucessfully happen ? What I see it's just 16 up until last boss or whatever and then disband for 8man to get the 30comms. Which I find annoying. I know it's more effective since you get more comms, but it's a hassle. If I join a 16man which disolves for 8man later I just don't bother and I leave thing unfinished, lol If this works, I guess I'll be able to finish those quests on some of my peeps. Yes, they can, and do. I got DF/DP through 8-man GroupFinder (finally!) as well as numerous full-clears on TFB and SnV. Hell, my main Arsen-Merc even got his full 4/4 set bonus through GF PuGs. I just hope the re-instated 16-man won't make the servers go "urp" this time :/ Edited October 19, 2014 by midianlord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALaggyGrunt Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I've seen 8-man pug ops go successfully, because there's usually at least one or two guys in it who know how the op goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whojoo Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I have never seen a 16m ops change to 2 8m gf last boss runs. Most of the time on my server people look for 8 man groups for groupfinder. I really hope the reward on 8m and 16m will be balanced out in 3.0. I am not a fan of 16man runs. One for the tech requirement (I can run it, but not all my friends can) and second for the chaos. I'm fine with 16man getting more comms, just make sure 8m and 16m drop the same type of comms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruskaeth Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Rewarding Ultimate Commendations only in 16 man operations was not a great incentive while group finder was 8 man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoorax Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Both on The Progenitor and The Red Eclipse I often do 8m through gf. I would guess I have at least done 10 runs, probably more as healer and I have yet to experience a failed run. Do see advertisments on fleet with the splitting for last boss method but by far it is a minority. Actually queueing still rarely happen, max 2-3 times have I actually queued and gotten into group, even then mostly it is preformed lacking one player or more. Really liked it the way it is now, as previous posters said, hope they give 8m some increase in rewards, hate to see it go completely. Edited October 19, 2014 by thoorax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demotivator Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Do full 8man runs through group finder actually happen ? Like sucessfully happen ? I tend to avoid DP when it is on GF because most PUGs can't beat the Council (too many things going on even in SM for the casual players or plain idiots that you find in GF) but I rarely had any issue with other ops. Even with some people derping hard you can still give a few advices and succeed without too much headache. What I see it's just 16 up until last boss or whatever and then disband for 8man to get the 30comms. Never ever seen a PUG do that. Usually happens in a guild, you probably joined a guild run. Edited October 19, 2014 by demotivator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardimuer Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Never ever seen a PUG do that. Usually happens in a guild, you probably joined a guild run. Splitting at the final boss is fairly common in pugs on the Harbinger lately, so it's not just guild runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tungstenses Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Your welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternalnight Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 As with the way it is right, at least in Red Eclipse, they might just as well remove the ops from Group Finder completely. Almost nobody uses Group Finder, for its original intended purpose, to form groups. There's hardly anybody who queues solo or at least in less than full groups. Nearly everyone just spams the fleet chat with LFG messages and forms a full group with that and then only uses group finder for the coms reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Never ever seen a PUG do that. Usually happens in a guild, you probably joined a guild run. Really ? Must be a server thing then. I only remember one time when a 16 man (on TFB) did not disband to go through GF and it was precisely when the core of the group (perhaps 6, 7 people) belong to a guild. On JC, I even see it advertised like that. "16 man until blah blah blah, then split through GF" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALaggyGrunt Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I have never seen a 16m ops change to 2 8m gf last boss runs. Most of the time on my server people look for 8 man groups for groupfinder. I really hope the reward on 8m and 16m will be balanced out in 3.0. I am not a fan of 16man runs. One for the tech requirement (I can run it, but not all my friends can) and second for the chaos. I'm fine with 16man getting more comms, just make sure 8m and 16m drop the same type of comms. I've seen them advertise on fleet for that. It usually goes something like "need xxx for [groupfinder op of the day] 16m SM, split at end." What I don't get is why 16M gives more comms than 8m, because 8m is much less forgiving of error and newness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcTrooperElite Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yeah thanks for nothing. Having an older machine I was thrilled when they switched back to 8m gf because I actually got to play at a solid 30fps and lord knows you never see 8m pug runs organized on fleet. Was looking for a reason to stop playing this game after almost 3 years as a sub and this is as good as any. Now with no real reward for 8m ops at all it looks like its time to retire from SWTOR after almost 3 yrs as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JouerTue Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yeah thanks for nothing. Having an older machine I was thrilled when they switched back to 8m gf because I actually got to play at a solid 30fps and lord knows you never see 8m pug runs organized on fleet. Was looking for a reason to stop playing this game after almost 3 years as a sub and this is as good as any. Now with no real reward for 8m ops at all it looks like its time to retire from SWTOR after almost 3 yrs as a sub. and why not trying to find a good guild and do other difficulties? i rarely pug ops, used to do it as entry gearing for fresh 55's and joined some in lonely nights, but after months and months of horrible carrying with 16m fleet runs half of the players queued and showed up not knowing 8m tactics. it exposed how many bad dps are out there too. at least with this 8m window someone learnt some boss, like council or brontes( this last is the king of carrying imo) and maybe even his class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcTrooperElite Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) and why not trying to find a good guild and do other difficulties? i rarely pug ops, used to do it as entry gearing for fresh 55's and joined some in lonely nights, but after months and months of horrible carrying with 16m fleet runs half of the players queued and showed up not knowing 8m tactics. it exposed how many bad dps are out there too. at least with this 8m window someone learnt some boss, like council or brontes( this last is the king of carrying imo) and maybe even his class. Actuallly I'm in a good guild and run on a DF/DP NiM progression 8 man team. GF for me is primarily how i contribute to conquest and relaxing diversion to the more stressful progression runs. I don't understand why it's necessary to make 16m sm rewarded so richly and 8m sm ops get squat. There will be literally no motivation for anyone to run 8m sm ops now and if I want to do group finder i'll have to suffer through terribad filled 16m pugs. Edited October 21, 2014 by ArcTrooperElite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JouerTue Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Actuallly I'm in a good guild and run on a DF/DP NiM progression 8 man team. GF for me is primarily how i contribute to conquest and relaxing diversion to the more stressful progression runs. I don't understand why it's necessary to make 16m sm rewarded so richly and 8m sm ops get squat. There will be literally no motivation for anyone to run 8m sm ops now and if I want to do group finder i'll have to suffer through terribad filled 16m pugs. yeah i hardly know why they are fixed with 16m pugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChroniKill Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Access for everyone I expect. It would be good to see 8m get some reward - they're more challenging than 16m ops I find, but if they lose the 30 ultimate GF bonus then they'll give you the weekly and nothing else. They should at least make boss drops the same (in terms of comms) so that there is some incentive to do them, assuming course that you can no longer queue for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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