MisterMT Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So, in a quest I meet someone who is onto me - I bed him in order to get away without being exposed, and the consequence is 50 points to the light side... crazy stuff! Any other surprising outcomes people have come across? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forearms Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So, in a quest I meet someone who is onto me - I bed him in order to get away without being exposed, and the consequence is 50 points to the light side... crazy stuff! Any other surprising outcomes people have come across? You slept with him? I guess this is the reason. Odd, though. What was the other option? To just let him live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seigyoku Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Yeah I get thrown off between the option on the wheel and what my character actually says from time to time, not too many lightside/darkside surprises, but then I always check which way a decision goes (even have it set to put the icon next to the choice without putting the cursor over it). I wonder if in your situation, the alternative was killing him or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malderak Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) It's a good action 'cause it's the only time he'll get laid in his whole life. Edited December 24, 2011 by Malderak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WereMops Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So, in a quest I meet someone who is onto me - I bed him in order to get away without being exposed, and the consequence is 50 points to the light side... crazy stuff! Any other surprising outcomes people have come across? Well if the alternative was to kill him then no, I'm not surprised, light or dark is more often gained by choosing the "lesser evil" or the "harder/longer path" over the fastest or easiest way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menasu Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 One that really bugged me was some woman lied to her husband saying that she had been captured and forced to sell her body by some bad guys. Turns out she wasn't being forced to at all. She was tired of her husband and would rather be a dirty promiscuous good for nothing. Guess what? Turning her in to her husband and letting him know the truth is considered dark side. What gives? She's deceptive and sells her body. Why should I stand up for her? She deserved to be exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unpleasant Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Because sleeping with him is better than murdering him (the other choice), and because "why should I care about her? she sells herself and lies!" is textbook dark side of the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormey Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 and because "why should I care about her? she sells herself and lies!" is textbook dark side of the force. And what about caring for the husband, allowing him the right to know what's really going on? Wouldn't that be textbook light-side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emartell Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So, in a quest I meet someone who is onto me - I bed him in order to get away without being exposed, and the consequence is 50 points to the light side... crazy stuff! Any other surprising outcomes people have come across? That's the part I really like. I struggled internally with taking light points. I knew I should have just killed him. But sexing him up seemed more interesting. Even if it did make me "good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altumus Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 If you listen to all of the dialogue, he's her 'master' and he considers her his property and he's a jerk - you are helping her save herself by telling him she's just "gone" (which is a light side option) - you aren't technically lying to him at all. If you turn her over to him you are forcing her into unwanted servitude under a man she has no interest in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malderak Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) One that really bugged me was some woman lied to her husband saying that she had been captured and forced to sell her body by some bad guys. Turns out she wasn't being forced to at all. She was tired of her husband and would rather be a dirty promiscuous good for nothing. Guess what? Turning her in to her husband and letting him know the truth is considered dark side. What gives? She's deceptive and sells her body. Why should I stand up for her? She deserved to be exposed. There's nothing wrong in chosing to sell your body for money if you want it, as well as into abandoning a marriage when it's no longer satisfactory. Guess Star Wars universe morals are different from Christian morals, and that's good Edited December 24, 2011 by Malderak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisionStorm Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) One that really bugged me was some woman lied to her husband saying that she had been captured and forced to sell her body by some bad guys. Turns out she wasn't being forced to at all. She was tired of her husband and would rather be a dirty promiscuous good for nothing. Guess what? Turning her in to her husband and letting him know the truth is considered dark side. What gives? She's deceptive and sells her body. Why should I stand up for her? She deserved to be exposed. Personally, I wouldn't necessarily judge her for her life choices. And if you choose to help her, you find out that the husband is actually kind of a jerk that sees her as his "property" (his words). But even so I'm inclined to agree with you that helping her lie like that did not feel "light side" at all. A real "light side" decision would have been to convince her to come clear to her husband and leave him/divorce him if she really didn't want to be with him, rather than continue with the deception. But no, you get to become part of a squable between spouses and take sides when you don't even know them personally. That being said. I've been liking the mission dialogs so far. And while some of them seem a bit questionable, I think most of them are good. Edited December 24, 2011 by VisionStorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregordunbar Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So, in a quest I meet someone who is onto me - I bed him in order to get away without being exposed, and the consequence is 50 points to the light side... crazy stuff! Any other surprising outcomes people have come across? And the OTHER option was what? Yeah...you chose the light side choice by having sex, which is not an act of evil...and also your JOB as a spy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeln Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Yeah no. Getting blackmailed to do anything isn't a good situation. I bet the other option was to kill him, wasn't it? But that's the problem with only having two choices. The lesser of the two evils... Edited December 24, 2011 by Steeln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menasu Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's not so much that I expect her to stay with her husband. I don't. If she wanted to leave him that's completely okay. The fact that she lied about it is what's wrong. However, I didn't listen to what she had to say as I was grouping with someone else and they made the decisions. As far as selling her body goes. I'm an atheist and even then I completely disagree with it. It's dirty and shows that you have no respect for yourself. It's also taking the easy way out instead of actually earning your keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildSide Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I was just thinking of odd moral choices. These two missions come to mind: 1: Your fighting on Coruscant, fighting the Migrant Merchant Guild, killing tons of 'em. You find proof that the senator that sent you on this mission made a deal with the Guild for their money, then went back on it. You bring it to her attention, and have the option to (light)bring the truth to the people, or (dark)destroy the proof. 2: You are met by a member of an organization fighting to save the 'True Republic'. She tells you that another senator is wanting to cut ties with the Jedi, and virtually HAND the Republic over to the Empire. She sends you to intercept documentation for that senator so she can bring THAT proof to the people. Your caught by an aide, who gives you a counter deal in order to spare his boss the repercussions of said proof coming to light. You can either (light)take him up on his offer, carry some useless info to the original mission giver, or (dark)stick with the original plan, and help bring down a corrupt senator. Now, TELL me how the hell that makes any sense??? You get light points for one truth, but not the other? Why? Because you stole the proof of #2? But you killed MANY criminals to get the proof of #1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JedimasterTiny Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Well I just finished the second planet for a bounty hunter. At the end of that, part of the main storyline is you get your ship. But you have to steal the ship. There is no way around it. Part of the main story if you want to advance. So in order to steal the ship you have to go to the docking bay its in and fight the guards and the dock workers, killing them for being there and doing there job. You don't get any dark side points for going in there and killing workers just to get to the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolsama Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) There's a couple things like this that get me. It's obvious differnt writers wrote the different choices, because they're not consistent. And most times, I feel like they fail to see the bigger picture. Like, on Ord Mantel. I gave the stolen meds back to the republic, because they're soldiers fighting to save lives. Why should I give it to beggars, who produce nothing, and just consume? But, Dark Side points becasue it wasn't "feel good" socialism. On Korriban, I was asked to judge three prisoners. The guy who was innocent, I let go. Why? Because he will then tell everyone how merciful the Sith were, and garner support for the Empire. My Master didn't see things this way. Fool. Also, on Tython, when you first talk to Satele Shen (sp?), she says 'was killing him tough for you? Taking a life is a hard thing'... except I've spent the last hour murdering the Flesh Raiders, who're obviously sentient, and then kill thousands of beings on my way up the XP chain. Very odd. There are more dubious LS/DS points, but those are the one's I've done repeatedly, so i actually remember them Edited December 28, 2011 by foolsama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickedcarny Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 As much as I like the moral choices in games, I HATE them in TOR. As stated in many previous posts, the light/dark outcomes sometimes do not correlate well with the choices offered. I am a republic trooper, a soldier, if killing someone who is bad is a dark choice...then they are in the wrong profession. I like that either republic or sith can make light/dark choices and have that outcome change options available to them but I would also like a third neutral option. Why cant I be both good and bad?? Getting light and dark points eventually equal out and leave you with presumably less content because you don'thave a side? Especially since this is supposed to be during a brutal war, decisions are not always clear or align to a specific side morally. Nothing wrong with some mercy killings. Then again it is illegal for the US Army to do that now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNovaSWTOR Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Wildside: Not bothering with spoiler quoting, but it boils down to this: In your first case, you help a corrupt senator hide her misdeeds (however well intentioned) from the proper process - which admittedly will probably be harsh on her, but protect the system itself In the second case, you are helping an extremist subvert the democratic process itself in order to avoid a possible, but none-too-likely bad end. Even if the senator proposes his initiative, and pulls some favors, such radical ideas usually are shut down fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lianathon Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 In the SI arc on Belsavis betraying the "Mother" machine which created a significant number of races in the galaxy is the Light choice I didn't get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranadiel_Marius Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 A real "light side" decision would have been to convince her to come clear to her husband and leave him/divorce him if she really didn't want to be with him, rather than continue with the deception. But no, you get to become part of a squable between spouses and take sides when you don't even know them personally. One of the dialogue chains with her has her basically say that she has tried to tell him but that he just hasn't listened. Considering how he considers her his property, I don't think he is really capable of understanding that she doesn't want to be with him anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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