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Yes we know that shadows are the special forces of SWTOR, I play one myself. But for the love of god when in AH you control mid via stronger dps wiping the enemy team and pushing them out establishing a 25 point lead in just first round, don't bloody cloak out in hordes and go for the off-cap which result in your team getting wiped in no time allowing the enemy now to control mid while you bloody fail to cap the node because of course they will come in time to protect it.
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Agree. But its AH, even for a shadow it is more likely to be in mid-fighting at start than in other wzs. So since they decided to get involved in the mid-fight and since the mid-fight goes your way my question is why do you have to follow "The Art of Shadow War" to the letter, which states in the corresponding chapter:

"... if you end up fighting at mid ... good tactic ... save cloak ... around the min pw if needed ... cloak out ... attack the enemy's node ..."

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Since ranked warzones, guarding nodes has pretty much stuck to me. In 99% of the warzones, you will see me writing in chat where I go to guard or what node I delay / steal. I do not face tank or go for the 2 million damage. I'd rather guard because the majority in regs do not even know what chat is and by the time the call for help, if they found the chat window, the node is already lost.

 

People think guarding nodes is boring and requires low pvp skill but that is blatant ignorance on their part. A good node guarder will always give his team an advantage in terms of numbers, confidence, and, baring any unfortunate situations, he should NEVER lose the node.

 

 

I will admit there have been moments where I have not guarded and these pertained to my healer guildie needing a tank and , of course, trolling balance via tab dot. Those scenarios are quite rare though.

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Agree. But its AH, even for a shadow it is more likely to be in mid-fighting at start than in other wzs. So since they decided to get involved in the mid-fight and since the mid-fight goes your way my question is why do you have to follow "The Art of Shadow War" to the letter, which states in the corresponding chapter:

"... if you end up fighting at mid ... good tactic ... save cloak ... around the min pw if needed ... cloak out ... attack the enemy's node ..."

 

Since you are upset I am going to assume you were up against a good team, in which case the shadow is useless in mid in a place like AH. When I am up against scrubs I look like a super star in mid, when up against a good team, a bunch of ranged players force me to cloak out in seconds. I sometimes manage to get a few hits off -which are usually healed through/escaped after which I either stand behind the block or get focused. As a sorc, I laugh off any assassin/shadow I see as I (sometimes alone) force him to shroud and run away in seconds. Deception assassins suck in mid, always have. Back in the 8v8 ranked days they were only taken as node guards (still better off than concealment which was never taken at all).

 

Although I like to be part of the action when I can, that shadow didn't really do anything wrong. He was waiting for an opportunity to take their node. If he came in mid to help, he would make no difference anyway (since you said you were getting rekt).

 

EDIT-I've been QQing about this 4ever but no response.

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Since you are upset I am going to assume you were up against a good team, in which case the shadow is useless in mid in a place like AH. When I am up against scrubs I look like a super star in mid, when up against a good team, a bunch of ranged players force me to cloak out in seconds. I sometimes manage to get a few hits off -which are usually healed through/escaped after which I either stand behind the block or get focused. As a sorc, I laugh off any assassin/shadow I see as I (sometimes alone) force him to shroud and run away in seconds. Deception assassins suck in mid, always have. Back in the 8v8 ranked days they were only taken as node guards (still better off than concealment which was never taken at all).

 

Although I like to be part of the action when I can, that shadow didn't really do anything wrong. He was waiting for an opportunity to take their node. If he came in mid to help, he would make no difference anyway (since you said you were getting rekt).

 

EDIT-I've been QQing about this 4ever but no response.

 

please, what am I even reading. deception sins played well: asset in mid

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please, what am I even reading. deception sins played will: asset in mid

 

You were one of the people I forced to run on my sorc. I give special attention to people I know are good.

 

EDIT-against a good team a deception assassin is a much better asset as a node guard.

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Yeah or just go there at the start and never let them have it/cap it yourself straight away.

 

if you can do that for 2 mins, then there are larger issues on the other team, and I'd say you're wasting your time when you could be having fun killing derps at mid. but to each his own. both actions contribute to a faster crappy WZ.

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please, what am I even reading. deception sins played will: asset in mid

 

He's not saying it can't be done, I think he's just saying it's not ideal and that other classes/specs do it much better, and he's right on that. I generally can do just fine in mid fights on my assassin, but I see other specs have an easier time of it than me, and I'd like to believe that I'm fairly good on my sin.

 

I've said before and i'll say again that deception is more of a skirmisher than a brawler and that we're meant to be on the edge of the fray, not right in the center of it.

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if you can do that for 2 mins, then there are larger issues on the other team, and I'd say you're wasting your time when you could be having fun killing derps at mid. but to each his own. both actions contribute to a faster crappy WZ.

 

I don't think he means on his own. Obviously he would get some help from his team during the round. I capped the enemy node early in round 3 against one of the best guilds on our server and we held it for the round to win the game. There was 0 chance we would win otherwise.

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He's not saying it can't be done, I think he's just saying it's not ideal and that other classes/specs do it much better, and he's right on that. I generally can do just fine in mid fights on my assassin, but I see other specs have an easier time of it than me, and I'd like to believe that I'm fairly good on my sin.

 

I've said before and i'll say again that deception is more of a skirmisher than a brawler and that we're meant to be on the edge of the fray, not right in the center of it.

 

I honestly think we can be "brawlers", obviously that requires the enemy team not having 90% ranged dps, but we can most definitely hold our own, I pull 1600+ dps probably every night i queue. (Or close to it) Of course, though, it implies having a good healer. But yeah, pyro pt's and ranged classes are better. #buffassassins

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You were one of the people I forced to run on my sorc. I give special attention to people I know are good.

 

EDIT-against a good team a deception assassin is a much better asset as a node guard.

 

That sounds like a l2p issue. I'd prefer having a powertech as a node guard than a deception sin.

And as a sin myself, I'd rather fight a decep sin at a node than a powertech, or a sorc. Missiles are annoying, so is KO.

 

Against a "good team", a deception sin either goes for THEIR objective, or helps where the fight is to get high crits and killing blows. You have a knockback, 4 stuns.... get the healers?

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Against a "good team", a deception sin either goes for THEIR objective, or helps where the fight is to get high crits and killing blows. You have a knockback, 4 stuns.... get the healers?

 

Republic has healers on our server?

 

I like fighting PTs, it's fun. Also a good deception sin will never be found in the first place.

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I honestly think we can be "brawlers", obviously that requires the enemy team not having 90% ranged dps, but we can most definitely hold our own, I pull 1600+ dps probably every night i queue. (Or close to it) Of course, though, it implies having a good healer. But yeah, pyro pt's and ranged classes are better. #buffassassins

 

Like I said, I'm not saying that it can't be done, but the way the spec is designed I just don't feel that being a brawler is the intent.

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Republic has healers on our server?

 

I like fighting PTs, it's fun. Also a good deception sin will never be found in the first place.

 

uhm, i guess i'm not a "good deception sin" then? it's possible to reach first place, you just have to be better than "good". 99% of the people that play a shadow/assassin don't play it properly, or think they're only good for guarding a node. PLOT TWIST; they're excellent damage, good sustained, good burst (when RNG isn't ****), good crowd control, have aoe taunts... learn to play, please

 

http://puu.sh/7E0bW.jpg there's a 1750 dps one with first place and good objectives?

 

http://puu.sh/bwUeI.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/bwJDU.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/boWOC.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/bhXwD.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/bdEJh.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/b4R7N.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/b2xHc.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/ahvKh.jpg

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uhm, i guess i'm not a "good deception sin" then? it's possible to reach first place, you just have to be better than "good". 99% of the people that play a shadow/assassin don't play it properly, or think they're only good for guarding a node. PLOT TWIST; they're excellent damage, good sustained, good burst (when RNG isn't ****), good crowd control, have aoe taunts... learn to play, please

 

http://puu.sh/7E0bW.jpg there's a 1750 dps one with first place and good objectives?

 

http://puu.sh/bwUeI.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/bwJDU.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/boWOC.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/bhXwD.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/bdEJh.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/b4R7N.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/b2xHc.jpg

 

http://puu.sh/ahvKh.jpg

 

Ummmm, we're on the same server, you honestly think I don't know who the people you were playing against in those pictures are? And you honestly think I don't know who some of the players on your team in those pictures were? I get around the same numbers when I played against some of the people you played against, especially when I queue with my healer friend. I 2v1ed a marauder and jugg that was of their level. I don't consider myself great because I stomp on pugs, nor do I consider myself amazing because we 3 cap pve'ers.

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I like how you think.

 

I actually don't see very many people on TEH that run the hybrid. Actually, as far as memory serves I think only two sins besides myself really use it, and that was before Madness became a thing. Since then I rarely even see so much as a Surging Charge on people's buffs, let alone the hybrid.

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Ummmm, we're on the same server, you honestly think I don't know who the people you were playing against in those pictures are? And you honestly think I don't know who some of the players on your team in those pictures were? I get around the same numbers when I played against some of the people you played against, especially when I queue with my healer friend. I 2v1ed a marauder and jugg that was of their level. I don't consider myself great because I stomp on pugs, nor do I consider myself amazing because we 3 cap pve'ers.

 

Now now, don't get defensive, I offered to help you improve and that offer still stands. Since you know so well who I am, you're aware I don't just stomp pugs, right? Ask Rejinleaf about his 16 deaths, ask Rambeezy about the globals he gets, etc.. Sins can get first place. They aren't "just node guarders". I can give you a screenshot of games where "good players" got rekt by me and guildmates, but I might have been second place instead of first, so I didn't post them :rak_03: My point was to demonstrate the dps/first place. I can show you screenshots where we won because I sap capped, but again,, might have been 2nd or 3rd place :rolleyes:

 

Learn how to play a shadow properly, please. You have potential and I can help you. I told you this

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