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I made the mistake of buying my first ever gamble pack a few weeks ago… and suddenly i'm receiving frequent emails advertising further gambling. I think like clockwork, a week after i opened a pack it sent me an email about the same pack. And now there's a new pack, and its sending me emails about just the new pack.

 

I find this surprising, as i've always been on the tor mailing list, but never got emails simply about the packs (like this anyway) until opening one. Eeek feels like someone is trying push more gamble packs on me.

 

Shudder. GG reminding people to gamble bioware. I can imagine real casino's doing the same thing, there should be some legally required warning or something. Or at least a preference to stop getting spammed pack emails and just go back to non gamblers email frequency, of course there isn't one.

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I made the mistake of buying my first ever gamble pack a few weeks ago… and suddenly i'm receiving frequent emails advertising further gambling. I think like clockwork, a week after i opened a pack it sent me an email about the same pack. And now there's a new pack, and its sending me emails about just the new pack.

 

I find this surprising, as i've always been on the tor mailing list, but never got emails simply about the packs (like this anyway) until opening one. Eeek feels like someone is trying push more gamble packs on me.

 

Shudder. GG reminding people to gamble bioware. I can imagine real casino's doing the same thing, there should be some legally required warning or something. Or at least a preference to stop getting spammed pack emails and just go back to non gamblers email frequency, of course there isn't one.

 

Well, there's this game they use to sell the casino. Most of us prefer to focus on the game, but since you bought and opened a gambling pack, you've encouraged the pack-selling.

 

It's impossible to know, but I still believe if less people focused so much money on these gambling packs, we'd have more and better regular game content. EA wouldn't walk away from a project as large as SWTOR.

 

Because of folks who go ahead and buy this stuff, they can get away with tacking on a game to a business of selling primarily packs.

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Well, there's this game they use to sell the casino. Most of us prefer to focus on the game, but since you bought and opened a gambling pack, you've encouraged the pack-selling.

 

Ahh well, i don't have a problem with the packs themselves, i've played my part in the gambling ecosystem by supplying by now 10's of millions of credits to the real world gamblers for their spare items. The fact you can sell all the contents on the gtn numbs the gambling issue a bit in my mind.. imagine how much worse it would be without the ability to trade the pack items.

 

What i did find shocking though is they start the hard push/assault in real world emails once they think you've taken the bait.. maybe i just gambled at the wrong time to end up with a rude number of them, but yeah.. slime balls.

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I think its just a coincidence.

 

I first bought packs with free coins at f2p launch, first shipment, bought coins once when they added the digital option, and otherwise bought packs with accumulated subscription coins.

 

Looking at my emails from SWTOR, I've only ever received 3 emails with a cartel pack in the title, two of them within the last 3 weeks, all of them within the last 4 months.

 

Seems like they're just doing more cartel market emails, rather than the 0 they had before.

 

Unless you've gotten more emails than that in a shorter timeframe?

 

*EDIT

 

In addition, of the packs advertised in the emails, I've never purchased from those series. Grand Acquisitions Packs and some of the series 1(no rep) and bounty supply company packs).

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You need to be careful with the "G" word 'round these parts. Check out the thread I started some time ago. I too was concerned about the tactics they've employed and only thought it would be a good idea if they gave a word of warning to existing or potential gambling addicts:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=705831

 

Unfortunately the result was a lot of vitriol directed at me and those who shared my concerns, and a prolonged flame war about the "definition" of gambling -- which, it turns out, is quite subjective :rolleyes:

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You need to be careful with the "G" word 'round these parts. Check out the thread I started some time ago. I too was concerned about the tactics they've employed and only thought it would be a good idea if they gave a word of warning to existing or potential gambling addicts:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=705831

 

Unfortunately the result was a lot of vitriol directed at me and those who shared my concerns, and a prolonged flame war about the "definition" of gambling -- which, it turns out, is quite subjective :rolleyes:

 

Well of course its gambling, how could it not be? There has to be a motive to buying the packs themselves.. would people buy cartel coins to get these packs if there wasn't something inside them worth a chance at getting? I'm not talking about buying the packs to resell on then gtn, that's just bioware selling gold and completely fine, but the people who buy them to actually open are objectively using/taking a chance at getting something they want.

 

Is it bad? Probably like real world gambling, only if it effects other aspects of the persons life. Can it be addicting, hell yeah. The first time i experienced this was funnily enough, also in swtor also.. in the month long casino event, i probably spent a few hundred k.. and won a number of kingpin tokens.. after a while, the feeling of "maybe this time" to get the rancor definitely was exciting.. and i can see this becoming badly addictive to the right person.

 

Probably the more interesting question is whether a video game company with a reputation for story and rpgs.. with a pretty good game to be honest.. whether its a positive thing for them to use such potentially exploitative mechanics as part of the game... which isn't exactly AO…. and where i live they don't allow minors into casinos to gamble. :rak_02:

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Probably the more interesting question is whether a video game company with a reputation for story and rpgs.. with a pretty good game to be honest.. whether its a positive thing for them to use such potentially exploitative mechanics as part of the game... which isn't exactly AO…. and where i live they don't allow minors into casinos to gamble. :rak_02:

 

Get over yourself. Magic: the Gathering isn't gambling, either. Or do you think it is? Hasbro would like to have a word with you if you do. :D

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You need to be careful with the "G" word 'round these parts. Check out the thread I started some time ago. I too was concerned about the tactics they've employed and only thought it would be a good idea if they gave a word of warning to existing or potential gambling addicts:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=705831

 

Unfortunately the result was a lot of vitriol directed at me and those who shared my concerns, and a prolonged flame war about the "definition" of gambling -- which, it turns out, is quite subjective :rolleyes:

 

There was no vitriol aimed at you, only facts. Definition of gambling under the law is not subjective, and that is all that matters. No law on Earth considers TCG booster pack, baseball card, grab bags, etc. gambling.

 

It is you who have a very subjective definition of gambiing, and you are unwilling to accept that your definition is wrong.

 

You cannot lose when purchasing cartel packs, and that is one of the key elements in defining gambling. It also often requires to be done with actual money.

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Well of course its gambling, how could it not be? There has to be a motive to buying the packs themselves.. would people buy cartel coins to get these packs if there wasn't something inside them worth a chance at getting?
It is not gambling, not under the law or any form of rating. Would you buy baseball card packs or booster pack for TCGs if you knew what exactly are you going to get in each one of them?

 

I'm not talking about buying the packs to resell on then gtn, that's just bioware selling gold and completely fine, but the people who buy them to actually open are objectively using/taking a chance at getting something they want.
Reselling packs on GTN is not selling gold. It merely facilitates a transfer of virtual currency between players. There is no actual "extra" gold being created.

 

Is it bad? Probably like real world gambling, only if it effects other aspects of the persons life. Can it be addicting, hell yeah. The first time i experienced this was funnily enough, also in swtor also.. in the month long casino event, i probably spent a few hundred k.. and won a number of kingpin tokens.. after a while, the feeling of "maybe this time" to get the rancor definitely was exciting.. and i can see this becoming badly addictive to the right person.

 

Probably the more interesting question is whether a video game company with a reputation for story and rpgs.. with a pretty good game to be honest.. whether its a positive thing for them to use such potentially exploitative mechanics as part of the game... which isn't exactly AO…. and where i live they don't allow minors into casinos to gamble. :rak_02:

Casino event could be considered gambling. However, it is merely a simulated gambling (there is no real money involved). And Simulated gambling is fine for game rated T as per ESRB ratings (PEGI rating is 16)

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A couple of points here:

 

1: why would they be a casino because you got e-mails about their products after buying one? Wouldn't that make most companies "casinos" as well since they often send out e-mails to people who bought their products advertising new products?

 

2: Cartel packs are no more gambling than collectible card games or blind packs are. Gambling is when you actually bet money in the hopes of getting more money back. You'll never get your money back from a cartel pack since you are effectively buying a blind pack of virtual items that can't be sold for real money.

 

3: If it really bothers you so much that you get e-mails when new cartel packs come out, just put them on the spam filter and be done with it :rolleyes:

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You need to be careful with the "G" word 'round these parts. Check out the thread I started some time ago. I too was concerned about the tactics they've employed and only thought it would be a good idea if they gave a word of warning to existing or potential gambling addicts:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=705831

 

Unfortunately the result was a lot of vitriol directed at me and those who shared my concerns, and a prolonged flame war about the "definition" of gambling -- which, it turns out, is quite subjective :rolleyes:

 

Grab bags. :D

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Technically not a casino, but so close that the experience isn't significantly differentiated enough by anything to warrant much hair splitting for anything EXCEPT legal purposes.

 

Japan is full of massage parlors quite similarly. Some really are legitimately only that. Most?

 

Brothels that're very adept at splitting hairs.

 

I've long since reconciled myself to accepting that whomever got hired for TOR seems to have only had prior experience with gambling games and doesn't like deviating far from what they know.

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I know people who will sit and watch traffic and bet on the color of the next passing BMW.

 

People will 'gamble' on lots of stuff, but that doesn't make it gambling.

 

But, when you boil it down to its basics, gambling is betting money on something with the risk of losing that money and walking away with nothing.

 

Cartel Packs are grab-bag items where you're guaranteed to get a certain number of items of a certain rarity. You just don't know which ones. Some people will 'take a gamble' when they buy them, hoping to get lucky in what items they get, but this is no more gambling than buying a pack of baseball cards in the hopes of getting a rare card.

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You're delusional. If it weren't for the success of the CC, there weren't be a game at all.

 

EA have a 7 year contract for the TOR IP. Thats how long minimum this game would go on regardless.

 

They had a 5 year contract with Games Workshop for the War IP and even though it was down to 2 half empty servers for the last 2 years it closed exactly the day the deal ended. EA hold onto their licenses or by closing the game they default on the contract and another company could pick it up.

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Technically not a casino, but so close that the experience isn't significantly differentiated enough by anything to warrant much hair splitting for anything EXCEPT legal purposes.

 

Japan is full of massage parlors quite similarly. Some really are legitimately only that. Most?

 

Brothels that're very adept at splitting hairs.

 

I've long since reconciled myself to accepting that whomever got hired for TOR seems to have only had prior experience with gambling games and doesn't like deviating far from what they know.

 

That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day...

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Packs would only be gambling if you didn't get anything when you opened them.

 

This. Buying a pack of random items is not gambling. If it was, kids couldn't buy baseball cards. Just because you don't like the random items received doesn't suddenly mean it is gambling.

 

Again, when you buy a pack, you are guaranteed items (possibly items you don't desire). If it was gambling, there would be a risk of losing all of your money and not getting ANYTHING in return. True gambling means there is a chance to lose. The packs this game sells are designed so you are always a winner, there are just different levels of winners.

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Technically not a casino, but so close that the experience isn't significantly differentiated enough by anything to warrant much hair splitting for anything EXCEPT legal purposes.

 

Japan is full of massage parlors quite similarly. Some really are legitimately only that. Most?

 

Brothels that're very adept at splitting hairs.

 

I've long since reconciled myself to accepting that whomever got hired for TOR seems to have only had prior experience with gambling games and doesn't like deviating far from what they know.

 

mmm... Japanese massage parlor. Need to change websites.

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EA have a 7 year contract for the TOR IP. Thats how long minimum this game would go on regardless.

 

They had a 5 year contract with Games Workshop for the War IP and even though it was down to 2 half empty servers for the last 2 years it closed exactly the day the deal ended. EA hold onto their licenses or by closing the game they default on the contract and another company could pick it up.

 

What!?

 

If this game, right now, was in the red...it would not be supported or wholly cancelled. A 7 year contract to the IP has absolutely nothing to do with how long the game runs when within those 7 years. If the game went belly up it would be cancelled. The 7 year "right" to the TOR name means jack squat.

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