sithra Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I really enjoyed the first week of PvP, bolster seemed reasonable. Now I'm getting insta-gibbed by 50's in WZ's.... not so much fun now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdflew Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I really enjoyed the first week of PvP, bolster seemed reasonable. Now I'm getting insta-gibbed by 50's in WZ's.... not so much fun now. Where are you going with this? /Bird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithra Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 I believe it's called whining but really, 50's need a bracket all their own, very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uzirael Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Bolster helps, but remember the higher level will still have an advantage, 50 or not. Bolster only raises your character 80% to the highest player's level, and your gear by 20% (not entirely sure about gear, need a double check). Naturally people with higher levels will have an easier time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnDare Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Bolster helps, but remember the higher level will still have an advantage, 50 or not. Bolster only raises your character 80% to the highest player's level, and your gear by 20% (not entirely sure about gear, need a double check). Naturally people with higher levels will have an easier time. No. Bolster enhances your stats comparable to a level 50 in green quality gear. Everybody has basically the same stats with the exception of level 50's with better gear. The only thing higher levels gain is more talent points and abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtaziz Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 The only thing higher levels gain is more talent points and abilities. Yep, and talents/abilities are super important in this game! Thats why so much difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakel Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) The only thing higher levels gain is more talent points and abilities. Even if that were true, it would be a massive difference by itself. It's significantly more than that, though. 50s with PVP gear have access to a stat which decreases incoming damage while boosting outgoing damage. That's huge. On top of that, level 50 players synergise with each other very well. A level 50 tank is bad news by himself, but couple him with a level 50 healer he has guard on, and lower level players don't have a chance. The increased healing ability (and survivability) of the healer coupled with the raid-level mitigation of the tank are far greater than lower level players can hope to deal with. Losing Warzones before they even begin will make people stop queueing, and that's not good for the game. Win or lose, I'd rather wait longer for a balanced game then get an unbalanced one in a faster time. Edited December 24, 2011 by Arakel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valperion Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I believe it's called whining but really, 50's need a bracket all their own, very soon. Nope, gota love being lv50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdflew Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I think most, if not all players agree on the fact that 50s should be in a bracket of their own. I´m sure that will happen soon enough. Can we just leave it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madgecko Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Where are you going with this? /Bird I hope not to Wala Wala Wala, Washington. /gecko Edited December 24, 2011 by Madgecko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrShazzam Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I just played a random warzone against a guild full of 50s and it was the worst pvp experience I've ever had. My entire team would have lost to just the juggernaut and his healer... the 6 other 50s were just there for funsies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSunrider Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Similar experience. I've enjoyed bolster so far but today stuff got real. It'd be one thing if both sides had some 50 + scrubs, but when a bunch of 50s queue as group and face scrubs...ouch. Not learning much there. Kinda funny that bolster might solve the leveling problem by convincing everyone not to pvp at all until they are 50... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrShazzam Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Kinda funny that bolster might solve the leveling problem by convincing everyone not to pvp at all until they are 50... I have a feeling that this will be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopecs Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I was just talking with guildies last night about the same thing actualy. A lot of us think that 1-49 should be bolstered, and 50 should have it's very own bracket. I think it keeps the competetion more even, and there's better PvP that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kricys Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Nope, gota love being lv50. *high five* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getdownsb Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 No. Bolster enhances your stats comparable to a level 50 in green quality gear. Everybody has basically the same stats with the exception of level 50's with better gear. The only thing higher levels gain is more talent points and abilities. Actually GZ has said that bolster raises everyone's stats to 80% of a L50 in green gear. Thus, L50s have a base 20% advantage over anyone below something like L42. Add in the purple epic PvP gear and that gap widens considerably. Just look at the health stats. As a L32 Marauder I'm fighting Sentinels that are L50 in PvP gear. I have 11k health, they have 16k. So they have a 32% base advantage in health and damage, add in abilities and secondary stats (crit/power ect.) and you have an epic mismatch. It's a stupid system for the warzones, 50s should be in their own bracket. Probably the best idea that I've heard is for there to be two warzone types, ranked and unranked. Ranked has no bolster and is for L50s only. Unranked bolsters and "de-bolsters" everyone to the stats of a L50 in green gear. It was like this in the beta as well. All of the people that didn't sleep for 5 days to grind to 50, then got the PvP gear before they made it 10x more difficult to acquire simply facerolled everyone else for weeks. When people started to catch up, the vast majority of those people who thought they were awesome at PvP started getting owned. Gear imbalances in this game are massive and virtually impossible to overcome unless the person is completely clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kricys Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I was just talking with guildies last night about the same thing actualy. A lot of us think that 1-49 should be bolstered, and 50 should have it's very own bracket. I think it keeps the competetion more even, and there's better PvP that way. Not for half a year at least. Need a healthy population of 50s before you slaughter our queue time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopecs Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Not for half a year at least. Need a healthy population of 50s before you slaughter our queue time. Yes that is understandable. i'll probably hit 50 today so i'll be right there with you. Just for the near future im hoping it gets set up as it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kricys Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Well here's my stats so far with 6 pieces of champion gear. http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff435/Swsss/Screenshot_2011-12-24_15_41_56_672139.jpg Warzones are getting a bit ridiculous. 1v2ing people is pretty simple. Can't imagine when I reach 20% from expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldin Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Even players in their 40s can completely upset the balance in a war zone. It's very difficult to compete when they have that better gear and more talent points, and likely their top tier talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenyc Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Kinda funny that bolster might solve the leveling problem by convincing everyone not to pvp at all until they are 50... Yep. There is a BH tank on my server that always queues with a 50 healer friend. Those two by themselves can beat an entire team of sub-50s. The bolster system was designed to ensure that lower level players aren't a liability. If I'm going to be a liability or face the possibility of being stuck with useless team members, I simply won't PvP. This needs to be fixed ASAP, especially since the rewards for losing warzone matches were decreased substantially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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