Keypek Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) Shadowed -- 16m NiM Calphayus http://i.imgur.com/Fm7XMed.jpg Ah, ya beat us by an hour it looks like lol. Gratz though! Well unless you're achievement is central time then we both killed him literally at the exact same time which would be spooky. Edited October 10, 2014 by Keypek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tealik Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 Ah, ya beat us by an hour it looks like lol. Gratz though! Well unless you're achievement is central time then we both killed him literally at the exact same time which would be spooky. Thanks sir! Indeed, I'm eastern time so it was a one hour difference. Congrats to you guys though, keep it up! Best of luck on Raptus and Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuEldrvarya Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Thanks sir! Indeed, I'm eastern time so it was a one hour difference. Congrats to you guys though, keep it up! Best of luck on Raptus and Council. Noice job to both groups. Enjoy SPIN TO WIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambeezy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://imgur.com/7OYhzGW about damn time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyobear Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Enforcers down NIM Council tonight. A video to come later. http://oi58.tinypic.com/33clqxh.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levram Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Congratulations to Exit Area and Enforcers on your nightmare Council achievements! Well deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtoman Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Stay Thirsty downs 8m Nightmare Raptus. On to council we go. http://i57.tinypic.com/1hv56v.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Grats everybody, was nice to see you all get your titles finally.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tealik Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Well done on the title Exit Area, and Awesome job to Enforcers on finishing out Council. Grats on all the progression! Now Stay Thirsty, get Council down next week, grats on Raptus! Edited October 14, 2014 by Tealik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuEldrvarya Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) http://imgur.com/7OYhzGW about damn time About time indeed! Shadowlands can finally claim to have a Dread Master group! (BTW that is a sick-*** ship) EDIT: That is one messed up picture enforcers, but good job! Edited October 14, 2014 by DuEldrvarya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspflow Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambeezy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Is it just me or did your tanks never swap calphy and bestia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped_i Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 They don't. Sin tank holds it and runs so the stack drops and keeps tanking Bestia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambeezy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 They don't. Sin tank holds it and runs so the stack drops and keeps tanking Bestia. Tealik is gonna make the final decision of course but unless we can find a difference between this kill and HMDs, then this can't be classified as a legitimate kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levram Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) They don't. Sin tank holds it and runs so the stack drops and keeps tanking Bestia. Well, this just my personal opinion on the matter, but I wouldn't call the Enforcer's Bestia tanking strategy an "exploit." They didn't use any environmental obstacles to prevent Bestia, or any other Dread Master, from having access to the player they were aggroed on. They simply used careful positioning and a class ability of the Assassin tank (i.e. Force Speed) to provide enough space and time for the stacks from Bestia to fall off her tank. The fight buffs/debuffs that the Developers created for that fight were all present and were not prevented from being applied to any players. Bestia was able to apply stacks to the tank that she was aggroed on. If the Developers wanted to make the tank swap "mandatory," they should have bumped up her stack drop-off time by four or five seconds. Edited October 14, 2014 by Levram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambeezy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Well, this just my personal opinion on the matter, but I wouldn't call the Enforcer's Bestia tanking strategy an "exploit." They didn't use any environmental obstacles to prevent Bestia, or any other Dread Master, from having access to the player they were aggroed on. They simply used careful positioning and a class ability of the Assassin tank (i.e. Force Speed) to provide enough space and time for the stacks from Bestia to fall off her tank. The fight buffs/debuffs that the Developers created for that fight were all present and were not prevented from being applied to any players. Bestia was able to apply stacks to the tank that she was aggroed on. If the Developers wanted to make the tank swap "mandatory," they should have bumped up her stack drop-off time by four or five seconds. I was thinking the same thing but wanted someone else to mention it. Thanks bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXDark_ShadowXx Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Tealik is gonna make the final decision of course but unless we can find a difference between this kill and HMDs, then this can't be classified as a legitimate kill. There's nothing illegitimate about the kill. Tank still takes damage and knockback from Bestia making the healing check the same as other kills. It just shows thorough knowledge of her stacking debuff to make the fight a little simpler. Comparing them to HMD is not valid in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambeezy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) There's nothing illegitimate about the kill. Tank still takes damage and knockback from Bestia making the healing check the same as other kills. It just shows thorough knowledge of her stacking debuff to make the fight a little simpler. Comparing them to HMD is not valid in the slightest. I agree 100%. I'm sorry if I came across as accusatory, I simply wanted the community to distinguish the two kills. On the surface, some people may see the lack of swapping and immediately wonder if there was an exploit; there were other variables that made HMDs kill illegitimate. The kiting Bestia was not one of those. So it seems that out of everything that happened in HMDs kill, Shocks' brilliance is worthy of acknowledging. Thanks to everyone who helped explain why the Enforcers kill is legitimate. And grats Enforcers on the kill! <3 Edited October 14, 2014 by Rambeezy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baynard Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Tealik is gonna make the final decision of course but unless we can find a difference between this kill and HMDs, then this can't be classified as a legitimate kill. Sorry Beezy but I'm gonna have to go with Acuzel on this one. The problem with hmd's kill was using the environment to prevent a boss from coming in contact with the tank. This kiting strategy doesn't abuse the game mechanics, and in a sense, could be MORE difficult than tank-swapping. If my opinion counts, then I say this kill is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuEldrvarya Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sorry Beezy but I'm gonna have to go with Acuzel on this one. The problem with hmd's kill was using the environment to prevent a boss from coming in contact with the tank. This kiting strategy doesn't abuse the game mechanics, and in a sense, could be MORE difficult than tank-swapping. If my opinion counts, then I say this kill is valid. I agree with Zip, and Ivs. I retract my previous comment questioning the picture posted as the video is a more than exemplary job assuaging my concerns. I was particularly impressed with your idea (or perhaps it was unintentional) of the calphy tank picking up raptus at the beginning, it is something I have not seen before, but evidently got the job done. Nice kill Enforcers! Also note on kiting Bestia stacks: I would vote that this is a legal move, just as there really isnt any reason why a calphy tank has to stand there and take the d from him. Caution to other groups: kiting Bestia generally results in a slightly hard to heal (albeit easier to tank/manage circles) fight with the possibility of RNG *********** the raid with either a tyrans pull at the wrong time or a unprepared SOA. But it is a well documented and clearly successfully used way to do the boss. *Source: Experience + guildmate input* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tealik Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 I did watch the video, and took at look at a few things to verify this kill. I do consider this a legitimate kill. (This is just to clarify for some. I know most of you who have jumped in on this conversation understand what's going on here.) Every scripted mechanic in this encounter was in fact handled as intended. The difference between this particular kill, and an exploited kill would be "class mechanic use" vs. "inhibiting boss mechanics". The boss mechanics here were not avoided by glitching, platforming, stucking, etc.... It was a great, and pretty effective use of class mechanics that are given to you to use and counter the boss mechanic that DID go off as intended. The debuff continued to go out throughout the fight. It was fun to watch, and again great job to Enforcers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlavaBizkit Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Undercon 16-m Raptus http://i.imgur.com/p43dm8Z.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tealik Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Undercon 16-m Raptus http://i.imgur.com/p43dm8Z.png Grats guys! Good luck on Council! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKnightJ Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Undercon 16-m Raptus http://i.imgur.com/p43dm8Z.png Grats folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_o_s_e_s Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hey all just wanted to say Thank You for any comments about us getting the title on Monday. Sorry this is late but here is the Title Run Video and an extra video (funny blooper on Raptus) Enjoy :-) Dread Master Raptus Blooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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