errant_knight Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 After talking to a friend about how gambling rings were formed in another mmo using the minigames, I think I have a handle on why there's no Pazaak. There isn't much in the game as it stands that could be bet on or used to create gambling. Pazaak would be different. We've seen how difficult it can be to control what people do with what they're given, incidents of exploits and even outright cheating. While they could probably find a way to make Pazaak function in a relatively non risky way against the house, people would want to be able to play each other, given that this is an mmo, and that could be wildly problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varium Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 After talking to a friend about how gambling rings were formed in another mmo using the minigames, I think I have a handle on why there's no Pazaak. There isn't much in the game as it stands that could be bet on or used to create gambling. Pazaak would be different. We've seen how difficult it can be to control what people do with what they're given, incidents of exploits and even outright cheating. While they could probably find a way to make Pazaak function in a relatively non risky way against the house, people would want to be able to play each other, given that this is an mmo, and that could be wildly problematic. Or they are afraid of getting PG 18+ for having gambling (like they already don't have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiacblue Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Or they are afraid of getting PG 18+ for having gambling (like they already don't have). This - SWTOR cannot have proper gambling for credits because this game is pushing its age rating as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janrek Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Isn't still technically gambling on KOTOR as well? I always thought it would be a nice mini-game which you could right-click on another player similar to dueling, it would be useful while waiting for the group finder que when someone leaves mid FP. I suppose a bit of gambling would be okay, if they had a cap of say, 10k? Isn't the Nar Shadaa Casino technically considered gambling? I know dudes who blew millions of credits just trying to get lucky with a Rancor mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knorlac Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Or they are afraid of getting PG 18+ for having gambling (like they already don't have). I admit I have no idea how the law sees this, but would it already constitute gambling in the legal sense if you can only bet ingame money? It would be IMO if credits could ONLY be obtained by converting real money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janrek Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Good point. As long as the actual betting doesn't include CC's I think it would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Beers Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Because they can't make money off of it. They wouldn't be able to add CC to pazaak with out all sorts of legal/rating crap to deal with so it would have to be done with credits. At this point if it can't be tied into the CM it's highly unlikely to be seen as worth the time/money to develop. It might be possible that it could be in an expansion like 3.0 (i doubt it will be but if it's coming that's when it it will come) since the expansion will be a paid expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klarick Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I know dudes who blew millions of credits just trying to get lucky with a Rancor mount. Umm yeah ... ... ... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraineAlei Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I think it is for the same reason the Game Corner from the Pokemon games were remade/removed. The stupid Moral Guardians of Society don't want gambling in kids games. *eyeroll* Because we all know how video games are for kids. Anyway, a **** load of parents and guardians will call/threaten legal action/actually sue/make a big **** storm over it in the media. And BW would likely not want that plastered over them. That being said, it would be nice to have Pazaak back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeJarC Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Good point. As long as the actual betting doesn't include CC's I think it would be fine. I'd go one step further, don't even tie any kind of reward or achievement or whatever to winning a game. Just let it be an activity to pass time and not a way to earn credits....or add it as a conquest objective win 10 games in a row on an invaded planet and get 1000 points. Edited August 30, 2014 by LeJarC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraineAlei Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) I'd go one step further, don't even tie any kind of reward or achievement or whatever to winning a game. Just let it be an activity to pass time and not a way to earn credits....or add it as a conquest objective win 10 games in a row on an invaded planet and get 1000 points. *le gasp* Did you just suggest something PVE'ers could farm for conquest points? We can't have that now! The other threads said so! Edit: Intended to be funny. Edited August 31, 2014 by LyraineAlei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 There's no pazaak because it isn't worth the cost/benefit of putting it into the game. They'd never be able to legally put any kind of gambling into the game with actual money. If it's just credits, it's not "gambling" under the law. You'd have to be able to win something of tangible value outside of the game to be gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyrious Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) This - SWTOR cannot have proper gambling for credits because this game is pushing its age rating as it is. Yeah, i remember how Pazaak made Kotor 18+. Oh wait. Make Pazaak played against AI players only and there's no issue. They just don't want to take the time to code it, but considering how complicated Space, GSF, etc. are, Pazaak and swoop racing should be a breeze, and you have credit sinks like buying new cards too. Just have AI players at each cantina that get harder the higher level planet you go, higher payouts but higher losses. Keep away from pvp pazaak and you'll be fine. Since it's game credits, it is not gambling under US law, especially with AI. And unlike with Kotor, we can't reload after a loss, so Pazaak will be much spendier in SWTOR than in kotor XD Edited August 31, 2014 by Zyrious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavSalco Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 There's no pazaak because it isn't worth the cost/benefit of putting it into the game. They'd never be able to legally put any kind of gambling into the game with actual money. If it's just credits, it's not "gambling" under the law. You'd have to be able to win something of tangible value outside of the game to be gambling. It's always worth it as long as you please your players and it doesn't cost a fortune to make Seriouesly, how expensive a minigame can be? I would be satisfied with either PVE or PVP Pazaak. It's a better alternative than no Pazaak at all. Although making AI that work in that minigame could take them more time than creating Pazaak that is only focused on player vs player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XiamaraSimi Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) I'd go one step further, don't even tie any kind of reward or achievement or whatever to winning a game. Just let it be an activity to pass time and not a way to earn credits....or add it as a conquest objective win 10 games in a row on an invaded planet and get 1000 points. I can just imagine how much people would bit©h and moan how unfair that was if they did add it to conquest, there are already people out there tryinng to get conquest crafting removed/nerfed. If it something that could potentially benefit others, but they don't want to expend any time/effort do it themselves, its OP/unfair/et cetera. Lazy entitled whiners, why we can't have nice things. Edited September 15, 2014 by XiamaraSimi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) There's no pazaak because it isn't worth the cost/benefit of putting it into the game. They'd never be able to legally put any kind of gambling into the game with actual money. If it's just credits, it's not "gambling" under the law. You'd have to be able to win something of tangible value outside of the game to be gambling. *cough* cartel packs *cough* *cough* nar shadaa gambling event *cough* Edited September 15, 2014 by Raansu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyJedi Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 *cough* cartel packs *cough* Plenty of real-money return from Cartel Packs for practically no developer resource -- the team that create the CM items are not developers. *cough* nar shadaa gambling event *cough* Credit sink. Mission Accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec_Fortescue Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) to ppl about age ratings: they are not an issue at all http://store.steampowered.com/app/214950/ http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/259800/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/201270/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/201272/ Pazaak can be sold as a dlc for few dollars, like Makeb, with its own age rating. Edited September 15, 2014 by Alec_Fortescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Plenty of real-money return from Cartel Packs for practically no developer resource -- the team that create the CM items are not developers. Credit sink. Mission Accomplished. Its still gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anysao Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 In theory they could add Cartel Coins as well, as they have no actual cash value. That's *kind of* why you can buy online "Cash Shop" currency rather than directly buying the items. That way, if you complain you didn't, say, get an item you wanted from a Pack, BioWare can legally say you got the Cartel Coins you ordered, and were never entailed to so and so item. But anyway: I do also want to see Pazaak, Dejarik, or Sabaac in the game. If that meant going by Republic Senate Rules (free games), so be it! It's a worthy sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 In theory they could add Cartel Coins as well, as they have no actual cash value. That's *kind of* why you can buy online "Cash Shop" currency rather than directly buying the items. That way, if you complain you didn't, say, get an item you wanted from a Pack, BioWare can legally say you got the Cartel Coins you ordered, and were never entailed to so and so item. But anyway: I do also want to see Pazaak, Dejarik, or Sabaac in the game. If that meant going by Republic Senate Rules (free games), so be it! It's a worthy sacrifice. I wouldn't be a fan of it, but CC packs really wouldn't be any different than card packs in say hearthstone. I'd rather pazaak have nothing to do with the CM though. Just let it be a damn mini card game just like how it was in kotor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebruixe Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 *cough* cartel packs *cough* *cough* nar shadaa gambling event *cough* +10000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzoForMe Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 And unlike with Kotor, we can't reload after a loss, so Pazaak will be much spendier in SWTOR than in kotor XD Lol I always felt so dirty doing that but sometimes the AI would get luck that seemed to exceed the realm of possibility. Three natural 20s in a row for his hand is a little suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAVEDKILLER Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If you dont think packs are gambling youve been and are asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Lol I always felt so dirty doing that but sometimes the AI would get luck that seemed to exceed the realm of possibility. Three natural 20s in a row for his hand is a little suspicious. Don't think of it as "reloading" -- instead imagine you're meditating through the force to see a possible future. :D I'd make a terrible Jedi -- first thing I'd do is go to Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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