New Valor System

[RayGonJinn]

As a subscriber who has religiously subscribed for SWTOR PvP for many years now, since update 1.4 I have not attempted to grind to top tier PvP gear... I perform very well with whatever the regular PvP gear is atm. On the PvP forums it seems PvPers don't want anymore tiers of PvP gear and I agree. So what do I propose as an alternative option? Bring back the importance of the Valor system. How? Combine it with the expertise system. I loved the fact that you had to buy PvP gear based off valor, now its just something that gets you titles. Here's an example:

 

Valor 90-100= 50-60% Damage Boost; 36-40% Damage Reduction; 20-25% Healing Bonus

Valor 80-89= 40-49% Damage Boost; 30-35% Damage Reduction; 16-19% Healing Bonus

Valor 70-79= 30-39% Damage Boost; 26-29% Damage Reduction; 10-15% Healing Bonus

Valor 60-69= 20-29% Damage Boost; 20-25% Damage Reduction; 6-9% Healing Bonus

Valor 50-59= 10-19% Damage Boost; 15-19% Damage Reduction; 1-5% Healing Bonus

 

How would this work? Anyone who is a PvP'er already has a character or 2 at max valor and for those who don't have much of it there are Valor Buffs. So what does this mean for PvP Gear and WZ comms? Conversion of WZ comms into Basic Comms and Ranked WZ comms into Elite Comms for PvE gear should be implemented. Won't need PvP gear with the new Valor system which gives the PvP bonus. This is also a time for a PvE comm conversion system. 30 Classic comms= 10 Basic comms; 30 Basic comms= 10 Elite comms; 30 Elite comms= 10 Ultimate comms.

 

Open World PvP

If you’re Queing from Tatooine PvP area you should get a buff that grants 5% WZ reward buff to Valor, Commendations, Experience, & Credits for Republic or Imperials depending if the area is controlled by the faction (like the old days of Ilum). Put a single capture point in the middle of the PvP area that states who has control of the area. Players should receive a Valor for each kill they get in PvP area whether or not you have killed that player already. PvPers will want that buff so there will be PvP conflict. The Outlaws Den PvP chest respawn rate should either be decreased to 5 mins or grant 20 Elite comms. As of right now, if you find the chest solo you receive 20 WZ comms, possibly a Recruit Gear Piece (Which should have been updated to Partisan Gear piece) but if you’re in a group of 2 you receive 1 comm, which makes no sense.

Also, since the Gree Event only returns once every 6 months or so; Ilum should have a similar 24/7 pvp area with a 5% buff that stacks with the Tatooine 5% and should have PvP chest spawns. A PvP area should be implemented on Makeb that also has 5% stackable WZ Rewards Buff and have PvP chest spawns. Makeb is an exspansion and should have open world PvP.

 

This is what I got... make changes, add to it, lets get this thing rolling so you can keep taking my money

[TX_Angel]

Valor 90-100= 50-60% Damage Boost; 36-40% Damage Reduction; 20-25% Healing Bonus

 

What a great way to destroy PvP...

 

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get to 100 rank Valor? Do you have any idea how many players are actually there?

 

Most people don't have that much time on their hands.

 

At 50% damage boost? Really? Well then, why would I bother playing since I'd never, ever, ever win being at Valor rank 10, playing against Valor rank 90, they would wipe the floor with me.

 

So I'd quit, as would every new player who tried it, because losing over and over isn't fun. Even as it is PvP is badly unbalanced and broken in this game, but no need to go and torpedo it.

[RayGonJinn]

What a great way to destroy PvP...

 

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get to 100 rank Valor? Do you have any idea how many players are actually there?

 

Most people don't have that much time on their hands.

 

At 50% damage boost? Really? Well then, why would I bother playing since I'd never, ever, ever win being at Valor rank 10, playing against Valor rank 90, they would wipe the floor with me.

 

So I'd quit, as would every new player who tried it, because losing over and over isn't fun. Even as it is PvP is badly unbalanced and broken in this game, but no need to go and torpedo it.

 

I don't think you're considering all the options here. 2 ways to get get Valor; Warzones & Open World. With small open world battles going on players would have ample opportunities to gain valor. Valor also is not that hard to get... and like I said, there are valor buffs and the open world buff that you can take into warzones to add to the valor buff to get even more valor that already isn't hard to get. Also a Player in full 180 with no valor can still have an even playing field with someone in full 162 with 80-90 Valor. Do you even know how the expertise system works? it's alreay at 60% bonus damage & 40% damage reduction, if you have full expertise. 10-15% disadvantage means nothing to players with actual skill (L2P) and idk about you, but I pvp while I level and all of my fresh 55's all had 54 valor at the 55 level up. Let us also not bring up balance. You guys want every class to be able to solo each other. Ranged need to do their job, melee need to do their job, tanks need to do their job, & healers need to do their job. If a player is bold enough to PvP that means they know how to handle themselves under fire. If you remove expertise from a piece of gear, what do u have? a regular piece of gear... What's stopping people from being 2/3 full 180 as soon as they hit lvl55? The pros outway the cons to me. I never liked PvP rookies anyway so if they don't PvP, thank the force.

Edited July 4, 2014 by RayGonJinn

[Lotharofxev]

What a great way to destroy PvP...

 

Pretty much.

[TX_Angel]

I don't think you're considering all the options here.

 

I am actually. You, however, are not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

2 ways to get get Valor; Warzones & Open World.

 

Ha! Open world PvP has been more or less dead for a long time now and isn't coming back. Yea, it happens from time to time, but it is pretty rare (at least on BC which is where I play).

 

As for Valor, I've been playing since 2 months post launch, I have 16 alts (11 of which are lvl 55). I have over 10,000 kills in PvP Warzones, so I'm not new at it... Only 2 of my alts are above Valor 50 (one just hit Valor 53 this week). I'm probably a year away from Valor 100.

 

With small open world battles going on players would have ample opportunities to gain valor.

 

I sure don't see many of them... even when I do, it is a group of very well geared players in full PvP gear camping a base such as on Sec X. Fun for them, but for people who came to do the dailies, not fun at all since players in non-PvP gear aren't going to be able to do anything in open world against a group of PvP geared players.

 

Once I got stuck in just that situation, couldn't res because the res spot was where the PvPers were camping. After being killed three times in a row, I decided to close the game and do something else. Yea, THAT is the solution Bioware should hope for.

 

Valor also is not that hard to get...

 

Ha! You must be joking... Valor rank 100 takes a very, very long time to get.

 

Let us also not bring up balance.

 

Ahh, so anything that doesn't serve YOU shouldn't be brought up? How nice.

 

You guys want every class to be able to solo each other.

 

It would be nice to have all classes worth playing in PvP. It has gotten to the point where I can tell how it is going to go, just based on the classes everyone is playing. Get too many of the "right" classes on one side and if they know what they are doing, the outcome is never really in doubt.

 

If a Commando can't fight an Assassin one-on-one, then 8 Commandos have no chance against 8 Assassins. Or is that somehow too complex for you to understand? Each class needs to have its upside and downside, but as it stands, that is not the case. There is no way to counter a triple stun when playing as a Commando.

 

I never liked PvP rookies anyway so if they don't PvP, thank the force.

 

Without rookies you'll never have pros... without new players you'll end up playing with just an ever smaller number of people until the game is dead...

 

The single biggest mistake the original devs made was Expertise. A set of stats for gear useful only in PvP, but that hurts you in PvE. What it did was kill open world PvP because either you're geared for PvP or you're geared for PvE, but never both. If Expertise were removed from this time, I might be inclined to actually turn my PvP flag on. But since I'd just get killed by someone in a full set of PvP gear while I'm wearing my PvE gear, what's the point?

[Drudenfusz]

Terrible idea! And that is coming from someone who has valour rang 100!

[RayGonJinn]

Ha! Open world PvP has been more or less dead for a long time now and isn't coming back. Yea, it happens from time to time, but it is pretty rare (at least on BC which is where I play)

 

As for Valor, I've been playing since 2 months post launch, I have 16 alts (11 of which are lvl 55). I have over 10,000 kills in PvP Warzones, so I'm not new at it... Only 2 of my alts are above Valor 50 (one just hit Valor 53 this week). I'm probably a year away from Valor 100.

 

So what you're saying is since you've spent your time playing 16 characters (Being a Jack of al trades, Master of nothing) The game should accomodate you and give you a fair battleground on the PvP playing field; when you failed put in the playtime to acquire what all the other worthy PvPers acquired to actually be the top of the food chain? I have 6 characters on BC (Where I play) but unlike you, I don't make excuses or complain like the common man.

 

 

I sure don't see many of them... even when I do, it is a group of very well geared players in full PvP gear camping a base such as on Sec X. Fun for them, but for people who came to do the dailies, not fun at all since players in non-PvP gear aren't going to be able to do anything in open world against a group of PvP geared players.

 

Once I got stuck in just that situation, couldn't res because the res spot was where the PvPers were camping. After being killed three times in a row, I decided to close the game and do something else. Yea, THAT is the solution Bioware should hope for.

 

Last I checked this was Star Wars, keyword "Wars" I'm not one for going to bases and spawn ganking but it makes all the sense for it to happen. And it should be a way to get rewarded Valor. This game extremely lacks Republic vs Empire conflicts. So far the end game has been Star Wars: The Dread Wars... I didn't sign up to fight the dread masters, give 0 cares about the "Dread War" I signed up for Republic Vs Empire. BC is an RP server and this has RP and Story written all over it.

 

 

Ha! You must be joking... Valor rank 100 takes a very, very long time to get.

Yeah, if I spread my playtime amongst 16 characters, I'd have a hard time getting Valor too...

 

 

Ahh, so anything that doesn't serve YOU shouldn't be brought up? How nice.

 

No, like I said before, I don't give excuse, or complaints unlike you... and are you not trying to get things that serve you by wanting all classes to be able to one v one eachother?

 

 

 

It would be nice to have all classes worth playing in PvP. It has gotten to the point where I can tell how it is going to go, just based on the classes everyone is playing. Get too many of the "right" classes on one side and if they know what they are doing, the outcome is never really in doubt.

 

If a Commando can't fight an Assassin one-on-one, then 8 Commandos have no chance against 8 Assassins. Or is that somehow too complex for you to understand? Each class needs to have its upside and downside, but as it stands, that is not the case. There is no way to counter a triple stun when playing as a Commando.

I play a commando (that has valor 70) and Assassins & Operatives solo me all the time, but every stealth is not the same... As a Assault Commando Player... while on Guard duty I have successfully solo'd my fair share of Assassins and Operatives. Some poorly geared and some geared better than me. In Warzones you shouldn't be trying to 1v1 anyway but you sound like you try to based off your want to be able to solo every class. Tanks should be on guard duty anyway because Tanks can hold off long enough for reinforcements. Play the game and play the ball where it lies, stop trying to re-invent the game. Perfection lies with you playing you class role as it should be played.

 

 

Without rookies you'll never have pros... without new players you'll end up playing with just an ever smaller number of people until the game is dead...

 

The single biggest mistake the original devs made was Expertise. A set of stats for gear useful only in PvP, but that hurts you in PvE. What it did was kill open world PvP because either you're geared for PvP or you're geared for PvE, but never both. If Expertise were removed from this time, I might be inclined to actually turn my PvP flag on. But since I'd just get killed by someone in a full set of PvP gear while I'm wearing my PvE gear, what's the point?

When I was a rookie, I was a rookie when it was ok to be, which is in lowbie PvP. We can agree that a mistake was made when PvE & PvP gear was divided, The damage has already been done... PvP can't get any worse than it already is. You may think it can if this Valor system is implemented but it really can't. Those who have made it in PvP had to endure the bad, they endured the uneven faction Qs, th ebeat downs, but now they are hardened players that make things happen in Warzones, the rest complain and lose (I take it thats you) Difficulty is the greatest thing that can happen to a man because it evolves him, upgrades him. You want things handed to you and that's why your the common man amongst the masses. If you had saved your sarcastic "Ha!" and kept this civil I wouldn't have reposted to you like this.

Edited July 4, 2014 by RayGonJinn

[Lotharofxev]

Now you're just ranting.

[RayGonJinn]

Love or hate this valor system idea... I'm still beating *** in full black hole unaugmented gear in 55 bracket. I don't really care anymore... it was an idea, at the end of my first post creating this thread I said, make changes or add to it. All people did was bash it and didn't even consider the other ideas I had in my post about comms. I'm very happy atm because I'm doing this > http://youtu.be/mLignnR8_oA and I don't even have to work to be equal to you in WZs Thanks Guys!!! oh and my guardian actually has 51 valor, now it's even worse that I'm equal to you in PvP:p Edited July 8, 2014 by RayGonJinn

[Draqsko]

This belongs here:

 

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0910/stupid-ideas-stupid-people-ideas-bubble-demotivational-poster-1254967122.jpg

[RayGonJinn]

This belongs here:

 

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0910/stupid-ideas-stupid-people-ideas-bubble-demotivational-poster-1254967122.jpg

 

Ha haa that's the spirit baby you just keep being able to see DEFEAT at the end of warzones with me on the other end

[Lotharofxev]

Post your ranking then talk.

[Vincire]

No. The Valor system is ok as it is. These suggestions would only ensure that Valor ranks become yet another very long grind. At least now, it doesn't take too terribly long to become competitive.

[DLS_Xan]

Just give Elite Warlords and high ranking players a cool mount and call it a day.

[RayGonJinn]

Post your ranking then talk.

 

Really? Really? Post my ranking then talk... really? mindless 4 man arena deathmatches aren't my style buddy, if they bring back 8 man ranked objective pvp, then I'll "Post my Rank" haha lmao "Post your ranking then talk" damn kids crack me up

 

No. The Valor system is ok as it is. These suggestions would only ensure that Valor ranks become yet another very long grind. At least now, it doesn't take too terribly long to become competitive.

 

Wait, wait, wait... I made plenty of suggestions yet you people still worry about the valor you get from completing warzones lol. "These suggestions would only ensure that Valor ranks become yet another very long grind." #1 nobody said anything about changing valor xp. #2 Valor consumable which gives 25% boost + open world pvp buff that adds 5-15% valor boost on top of the Valor consumable + Valor from open world PvP kills + Valor from completing WZs... yup sounds lke a long *** grind to me but hey... you guys just stay tunnel vision on the warzone experience I'm having much fun seeing "Victory" at the end of my WZs, being more than equal with you guys, and I didn't even have to grind for gear like you had to WOOT!

[Lotharofxev]

Really? Really? Post my ranking then talk... really? mindless 4 man arena deathmatches aren't my style buddy, if they bring back 8 man ranked objective pvp, then I'll "Post my Rank" haha lmao "Post your ranking then talk" damn kids crack me up

 

Yep. Pretty much what I figured.

[Draqsko]

Ha haa that's the spirit baby you just keep being able to see DEFEAT at the end of warzones with me on the other end

 

Actually, based on your video and your posts, I would completely destroy you in warzones with either my guardian, commando, or scoundrel..

 

Seriously, your biggest crit on third tick of master strike is 6k against an unguarded sin.. you realize my guardian would hit for 8-10k on the last tick crit of master strike, depending on relic proc. You use tank relics on a DPS spec, you don't augment your gear, and you don't use pvp gear. You would be destroyed in a heartbeat. I hate to tell you but comparing yourself playing baddies and thinking you are great does not equate to you being great.

 

This is what I see when I see a guardian with 26k hp in a warzone.. CANNON FODDER.. That right, cause I can literally blow you up on two of the worst classes to pvp on right now, Assault Spec Commando and Scrapper Scoundrel. How do I know I could do this? Because I do it every single day...

 

PS I have 99 valor (and I'll have 100 before the season ends), and still think your idea is absolutely horrible. Since by your proposal I would be the one to GREATLY benefit by it more than you, the fact that I think the idea is absolutely horrible should tell you something about your proposal. Sorry, I like to PvP, I like for PvP to grow not shrink. Your proposal would completely lock out anyone with less than 80 valor from competing with anyone with 100 valor. Recruit gear versus augmented min/maxed elite war hero is actually a better balance than your valor system, and if you were around for that, you should have seen the tears of rage in the forums. Heck the only thing that was worse than what you are proposing was when the game only had 1 warzone queue, with level 10s going against level 50s in full BM gear.

[Draqsko]

Wait, wait, wait... I made plenty of suggestions yet you people still worry about the valor you get from completing warzones lol. "These suggestions would only ensure that Valor ranks become yet another very long grind." #1 nobody said anything about changing valor xp. #2 Valor consumable which gives 25% boost + open world pvp buff that adds 5-15% valor boost on top of the Valor consumable + Valor from open world PvP kills + Valor from completing WZs... yup sounds lke a long *** grind to me but hey... you guys just stay tunnel vision on the warzone experience I'm having much fun seeing "Victory" at the end of my WZs, being more than equal with you guys, and I didn't even have to grind for gear like you had to WOOT!

 

Wait wait.. In case you don't think Valor isn't a grind and a very long one.. http://thefanaticalswordsman.com/2013/11/02/valor-ranks-complete-list/

 

So at Valor 50, you've earned 262,650 valor total, and that is roughly 1/12th of the way to the valor cap (6,037,635 valor). The difference between Valor 100 and Valor 80 is more than twice as much total valor as it took to reach Valor 80. The halfway point is Valor 88.. meaning, once you hit Valor rank 88, you are only halfway to valor rank 100..

 

And the best part on the link I provided..

 

If you look at this in terms of how many warzones it takes, it is pretty easy to see that each rank title takes almost twice as long as the one before it to earn. Below shows roughly how many warzones it takes for each rank (cumulative), if you assume an average of 3000 Valor per warzone (a full 8 medals gets you ~2700 for a loss and ~3300 for a win). These numbers are also shown in another column with the boost from the Cartel Market, which gives you +25% Valor. The number of hours needed to obtain each rank, with and without the Valor Boost, is calculated using a weighted average of 12 minutes for all the warzones. This was calculated using 15 minutes as the average for Alderaan Civil War and Novare Coast, and 12 minutes as the average for Voidstar, Ancient Hypergate, and Huttball. For Arenas, the average is taken to be about 7 minutes.

 

Valor Rank 100 is over 2000 hours without a valor boost, and over 1600 hours with one. Now do the math, if you spend 4 hours per day in a warzone (that's 4 hours actually inside the warzone, not sitting in queue waiting), that's 500 days to reach valor 100 without a boost, and 400 days to reach valor 100 with one. Even if your proposal increased valor gain by 50% overall, it would still take almost 1 year to reach valor 100, with by far the vast majority of it coming after level 50 when you are no longer capped in valor by your level. So explain to me how you could even compete against a long term player as a newcomer? You expect people to grind for almost a full year before they can compete against those at the top?

[Lotharofxev]

Valor Rank 100 is over 2000 hours without a valor boost, and over 1600 hours with one. Now do the math, if you spend 4 hours per day in a warzone (that's 4 hours actually inside the warzone, not sitting in queue waiting), that's 500 days to reach valor 100 without a boost, and 400 days to reach valor 100 with one. Even if your proposal increased valor gain by 50% overall, it would still take almost 1 year to reach valor 100, with by far the vast majority of it coming after level 50 when you are no longer capped in valor by your level. So explain to me how you could even compete against a long term player as a newcomer? You expect people to grind for almost a full year before they can compete against those at the top?

 

I think we're done here.

 

/thread

[RayGonJinn]

Seriously, your biggest crit on third tick of master strike is 6k against an unguarded sin.. you realize my guardian would hit for 8-10k on the last tick crit of master strike, depending on relic proc. You use tank relics on a DPS spec, you don't augment your gear, and you don't use pvp gear. You would be destroyed in a heartbeat. I hate to tell you but comparing yourself playing baddies and thinking you are great does not equate to you being great.

 

This is what I see when I see a guardian with 26k hp in a warzone.. CANNON FODDER.. That right, cause I can literally blow you up on two of the worst classes to pvp on right now, Assault Spec Commando and Scrapper Scoundrel. How do I know I could do this? Because I do it every single day...

 

SHOTS FIRED! The actual purpose for the vid post (if your comprehension was any good) was to verify what Bolster was giving me. Yea I did use Tank relics while dps spec, yea I did use unaugmented gear, DAMN RIGHT! I had no pvp gear. I played that character as she was with what she had after I leveled her to 55 and didn't haven't logged on to her since. I played the ball where it lied. I didn't have the comms for PvP gear or Relics, I didn't have the creds for augments, so damn right I went into pvp like that. I didn't have a choice, I didn't have the luxury to those oh so nice things, but at no point in this thread did I (unlike you) insult the PvPers ability to PvP. That's not my goal and never will be but you my friend, you're scum. Your bias, egotistical, judgmental character is about to get you destroyed. If you had the ability to comprehend anything you read (should have applied yourself a little more in school) no where was I comparing my self and skill to any player in any warzone. I showed that I was against what bolster was giving me because it spit in the face of the PvPers who put in the hours to get where they are, and for me to be able to perform the way I was able to was wrong. I concidered my self lucky to even be able to crit for 6k on my last tick of master strike but you saw it as I was bragging like "Oh, I'm so damn good." and about your extreme confidence in your ability to PvP as a guardian and how you'd destroy my sweet pea of a guardian with 26k hp, all I have is your word and so far it hasn't been worth anything.

 

Valor Rank 100 is over 2000 hours without a valor boost, and over 1600 hours with one. Now do the math, if you spend 4 hours per day in a warzone (that's 4 hours actually inside the warzone, not sitting in queue waiting), that's 500 days to reach valor 100 without a boost, and 400 days to reach valor 100 with one.

 

"I'M SORRY DRAQSKO!.. WHAT WERE YOU LIEING?" http://imgur.com/eQLPf8x and the best part about the link provided is it isn't even an accurate representation of when Valor Rank 100 was achieved but it disproves all the statistics you tried to shove down me throat. This character started PvPing at level 45, and spent time in PvE ventures at end game so about 1/4 of the time played wasn't in Warzones at all (and that's being generous) The up to date image was taken today... this http://imgur.com/jXC2o2I was taken 12/20/2012. So based on these 2 images, Valor Rank 100 was achieved way before 86 days and way way waaayyy sooner than the 500 days of your statistics. Someone needs to check their math

 

Even if your proposal increased valor gain by 50% overall, it would still take almost 1 year to reach valor 100, with by far the vast majority of it coming after level 50 when you are no longer capped in valor by your level. So explain to me how you could even compete against a long term player as a newcomer? You expect people to grind for almost a full year before they can compete against those at the top?

again... "What were you lieing?" > http://imgur.com/bjxV3rp Is a snapshot captured today of a Character that has PvP'd since hitting level 10, has finished class story and completed PvE raids Like TFB & S&V. About 1/5 of her play time has been in PvE. She w/o valor boost is already at Valor 84, again burying your proposed statistics you tried to use to insult my intelligence and make your self look like a reasoning scholar.

 

Do us real PvP'ers a favor and stay out of the way... you are the "Bads" that they refer to. You are in that group of players that complain so the Devs alter PvP to accommodate you and ruin it for those who have put in the hours to become worthy of having any type PvP boost adavntage against those who **** around on 20 characters across 3 servers.

 

I think we're done here.

 

/thread

Edited July 10, 2014 by RayGonJinn

[Drudenfusz]

"I'M SORRY DRAQSKO!.. WHAT WERE YOU LIEING?" http://imgur.com/eQLPf8x and the best part about the link provided is it isn't even an accurate representation of when Valor Rank 100 was achieved but it disproves all the statistics you tried to shove down me throat. This character started PvPing at level 45, and spent time in PvE ventures at end game so about 1/4 of the time played wasn't in Warzones at all (and that's being generous) The up to date image was taken today... this http://imgur.com/jXC2o2I was taken 12/20/2012. So based on these 2 images, Valor Rank 100 was achieved way before 86 days and way way waaayyy sooner than the 500 days of your statistics. Someone needs to check their math

Okay, time for some maths! Lets say you reached valour 100 with 80 days, that would still be a year when you played every day 6 hours. Since the number of days you hav ether is only the pure time you have been logged with that character. And since many people will not play 6 ours every single day for year, but much less, they will take quite a long time to get there. So, your argument is moot, since if you would have played say 4 hours a day, you would be suddenly over the 500 days you are speaking of to get the logged in time of your 86 days.

[RayGonJinn]

Okay, time for some maths! Lets say you reached valour 100 with 80 days, that would still be a year when you played every day 6 hours. Since the number of days you hav ether is only the pure time you have been logged with that character. And since many people will not play 6 ours every single day for year, but much less, they will take quite a long time to get there. So, your argument is moot, since if you would have played say 4 hours a day, you would be suddenly over the 500 days you are speaking of to get the logged in time of your 86 days.

 

#1 By you saying "Lets say" tells any reader you are about to use assumptions in your "Argument". #2 it's funny how you skipped http://imgur.com/bjxV3rp because it doesn't support your "Argument". #3 This is the kicker... if the exact time of when such character reached Valor 100 is inaccurate, why do you insist usuing those numbers in your equation? now that's "Moot" (you're trying to be like Draqsko... to smart for your own good) I've provided evidence that Valor 84 can be reached in 20 days of play time (at most) Now if we factor in the other Valor Boosts & Buffs mentioned at the original post of this thread. A player would be able to reach Valor 90 in 10 days of PvP play time. See what you fail to realize is, this whole idea of this system only works if Valor can be gained from open world kills and granted open world pvp buffs while doing Warzones. Seeing how you don't want to use you epic math skills on this http://imgur.com/bjxV3rp... I call this one done.

 

Devs I've played this game for many years. I put in long gruesome grinding PvP hours amongst many many characters. I'd like to have this Valor System implemented onto my account. My account alone, I believe I deserve it having a Valor 100 and all... I mean what else is there for me to do in PvP? grind more PvP gear with my expertise never changing? it's capp'd I can't do any more or less damage. You already give me 1900 expertise with bolster, that's 1000 exprtise away from cap. You already quietly devalued the point of grinding PvP gear when Bolster gave 1900 expertise. You secretly said, since Bolster now makes the playing field even for PvE'ers to PvP everyone should PvP in PvE gear. No? I already posted a video of holding my own in PvP with Bolster granting me 1900 expertise while in full BH gear. Since I have so many high valor characters I should be granted this valor system so I can have my valor expertise no matter what gear I'm in. I put in the work for my valor, I damn sure put in the work for my expertise. The masses don't want it, so be it, But I do. Implement this Valor System on my account and my account alone then.

[Drudenfusz]

#1 By you saying "Lets say" tells any reader you are about to use assumptions in your "Argument". #2 it's funny how you skipped http://imgur.com/bjxV3rp because it doesn't support your "Argument". #3 This is the kicker... if the exact time of when such character reached Valor 100 is inaccurate, why do you insist usuing those numbers in your equation? now that's "Moot" (you're trying to be like Draqsko... to smart for your own good) I've provided evidence that Valor 84 can be reached in 20 days of play time (at most) Now if we factor in the other Valor Boosts & Buffs mentioned at the original post of this thread. A player would be able to reach Valor 90 in 10 days of PvP play time. See what you fail to realize is, this whole idea of this system only works if Valor can be gained from open world kills and granted open world pvp buffs while doing Warzones. Seeing how you don't want to use you epic math skills on this http://imgur.com/bjxV3rp... I call this one done.

Okay, I see maths is just not your strong suit. I would say the average playtime of most players is less then 3 hours per day (you know, work and life and such things intefere with gaming habits for most people, 3 hours per day might even still be quite high of an estimate, but I run with it now). With only three hours a day it would take people still half a year to get 20 days in game together. And rank 84 is nothing, the curve will get more steeply, but you should know that it becomes longer and longer to get later valour rangs. So, post again (with picture of played time and valour) when you got that char also to valour 100, since you claim it is that easy I am sure to hear soon from you.

 

Devs I've played this game for many years. I put in long gruesome grinding PvP hours amongst many many characters.

Wait, I thought you are telling here everybody it is not that much of a grind and doesn't take much time, so could you decide for one story and stick to it?

Edited July 11, 2014 by Drudenfusz

[Lotharofxev]

Wait, I thought you are telling here everybody it is not that much of a grind and doesn't take much time, so could you decide for one story and stick to it?

 

Ahem.

 

PWND

[RayGonJinn]

Okay, I see maths is just not your strong suit. I would say the average playtime of most players is less then 3 hours per day (you know, work and life and such things intefere with gaming habits for most people, 3 hours per day might even still be quite high of an estimate, but I run with it now). With only three hours a day it would take people still half a year to get 20 days in game together. And rank 84 is nothing, the curve will get more steeply, but you should know that it becomes longer and longer to get later valour rangs. So, post again (with picture of played time and valour) when you got that char also to valour 100, since you claim it is that easy I am sure to hear soon from you.

 

 

Wait, I thought you are telling here everybody it is not that much of a grind and doesn't take much time, so could you decide for one story and stick to it?

What you really fail to realize is... I wasn't referring to the valor grind but the gear grind. What you quoted is so open ended that you assumed what I was meaning and you made an *** out of your self. after I got my first toon to Valor 100, PvP'n on 4 different characters is a long grind, not so much for a single toon but spreading my play time amongst toons absolutely long. Atleast unlike the "average player" I know how to focus on a single toon to get it in a position to succeed in PvP and/or PvE. Another thing, you keep saying "Average Player", and you know nothing of the average player. Still making all your arguments based on assumptions which isn't cutting it man. I know my math I'm just not leaving the outcome to speculation. Atleast I can provide actual proof to my arguments, you're all "I would say this..." "lets say that..." "Average Player maybe does..." come on. If you can't prove it, don't use it. In other words "SS or it didn't happen"

 

Ahem.

 

PWND