Jung Ma is doing great as a server.

[Ashuranrx]

Yesterday, I read on fleet chat that some people want to move off server to another server. I told them the following and I want to repeat what I said here in a post, to let everyone know how great we are doing as a server.

 

We are doing great both as a RP server and a PvP server. Please see the server activity trend below.

 

http://www.torstatus.net/

 

As a PvP server, our server activity is on par with The Bastion at the top. Every other PvP server took a huge dive in activity since ESO and Wildstar came out. Pot5 suffered the worse in activity drop. So for PvPers, you don't need to look anywhere else for more enjoyable PvP, because it is the most enjoyable right here at home, with plenty of PvP activity, warzones, and a mix of RP flavor in it. Next time someone tries to convince you to go to Pot5 for PvP, you can tell them we don't want to go to a zombie server.

 

As a RP server, we are also on part with other RP servers, except Ebon Hawk and Beregen Colony. But we are unique because we are RP-PvP instead of just RP, which allows us to RP war better. I mean, we are not playing Star Wars unless we can RP "war".

[Dacri]

First of all about RP I dont have idea so i wont talk about this point.

 

About how "great" the server is at PVP, you must be kidding. Anyone geared with obroan+augments and know just a little about your character will make you feel like a God in regs, you can win 1vs2 easily. Premades, unlikely other servers must have about a 90% of winning rate at any Reg match. When I came back to the server I had a 18 wins streak, just playing on my own vs pugs and premades, and even after that when I lost I dont remember any game doing less than 1.1k DPS at any match

 

Ranked wzs are simply a lottery, I remember getting 3 other guys in my team with 24-27k HP buffed, other times the other way around (the other team was ~26kers). Which lets say, they are just playing for the daily/weekly..

 

Finally, its kinda boring to face every SINGLE time the same players, at any hour of the day, and well regs are painfull in the morning~halfday barely popping by 20 mins between matches, about ranked matchs they pop for like 2-3 hours max PER day!!! INSANE!

 

Also population in the server has gone down a lot, friday and saturday the Imperial fleet had only 1 fleet active and about 120-140 people online.. But as it is a RP server, we can leave aside the population of the Fleet.

 

Im right now with other Jung Ma players at POT5 playing, we all must agree that PVP over there is way cooler, harder and can leave you actually learnings about how to improve yourself, how to get better at your char or chars. Oh btw, ranked pops here from halfday to midnight, Regs matches has someones one or two 28ker, can you believe it?

 

But the cool thing about Jung ma is that doing regs can actually make you feel like a God and go after all the currently winning streaks records. Oh and if you can get a pocket healer I´ll bet you 1M, you wont lose a single match.

 

 

Regards.

[Dras_Keto]

You are insane.

[Dacri]

Care to say Why? or you just realized Im right and wanna came over Pot5? lolol

[CellPerfect]

Actually, if I'm correct, the Torstatus website only tracks the servers based on if they say, "light, standard, heavy, very heavy, and full" (or something like that ). This isn't actually tracking the total population because those descriptions of server status are based on averages. This means that "light" for one server could be (I'm going to make up numbers here) 100 people where as for another server it could be 300 people. This also means that "standard" for one server could be less populated than "light" for another server. Now I'm not sure about other places in the game, but the republic and imperial fleets on PoT5 typically have 2 instances for a good portion of the day where as on Jung Ma the imperial fleet will go to 2 fleets, but not for as long as PoT5 will have them, and the republic rarely goes to 2 fleets (I actually haven't seen it hit 2 fleets myself but I have heard that it has).

 

Now this isn't to say that Jung Ma is doing poorly, from what I have seen we aren't doing bad at all except in the area of group ranked. Solos pop very frequently (much much much more than they did during season 1), regs pop all day, there are usually plenty of people putting ops together in gen chat, etc. So in terms of pops it's not too bad. In terms of skill I can't really comment because I don't have much to compare it to (especially seeing as I haven't been PvPing too much myself for the last few weeks).

[Ashuranrx]

When I came back to the server I had a 18 wins streak, just playing on my own vs pugs and premades, and even after that when I lost I dont remember any game doing less than 1.1k DPS at any match.

 

I call that BS. You said you feel like a God doing regs here, right? What is your character's name? If you are really that good, then the PvPers here would definitely know of you.

 

The best PvPers on this server from <Shots Fired>/<Vicious>, <Taking Lives>/<Saving Lives>, SDSG, and <REGULATORS> are just as good if not better than the so called "elite" from Pot5. Then there are individual good PvPers too from the not-PvP-focused guilds. PvPers from Pot5 got nothing on us.

 

Also, faction balance on Pot5 is on a landslide advantage to Imps. We don't want to go to imbalanced AND dying server.

 

Population on this server has always been the same. It never dropped. If you kept up with torstatus.com from 6 months ago until now, you would know this. Pot5 sank like rock in the past 2 months.

 

Pot5 is a zombie and the statistics don't lie.

[Ashuranrx]

Actually, if I'm correct, the Torstatus website only tracks the servers based on if they say, "light, standard, heavy, very heavy, and full" (or something like that ). This isn't actually tracking the total population because those descriptions of server status are based on averages.

 

Correct.

 

This means that "light" for one server could be (I'm going to make up numbers here) 100 people where as for another server it could be 300 people. This also means that "standard" for one server could be less populated than "light" for another server.

 

Not correct. Maximum capacity for every server is the same. "light, standard, heavy, very heavy, and full" is base on percentage of the maximum capacity.

 

Now I'm not sure about other places in the game, but the republic and imperial fleets on PoT5 typically have 2 instances for a good portion of the day where as on Jung Ma the imperial fleet will go to 2 fleets, but not for as long as PoT5 will have them, and the republic rarely goes to 2 fleets (I actually haven't seen it hit 2 fleets myself but I have heard that it has).

 

When was the last time you see this? Pot5 activity only started to drop recently with Wildstar out.

 

Now this isn't to say that Jung Ma is doing poorly, from what I have seen we aren't doing bad at all except in the area of group ranked. Solos pop very frequently (much much much more than they did during season 1), regs pop all day, there are usually plenty of people putting ops together in gen chat, etc. So in terms of pops it's not too bad. In terms of skill I can't really comment because I don't have much to compare it to (especially seeing as I haven't been PvPing too much myself for the last few weeks).

 

Group ranked is dead every where. We had much more ranked activity with ranked 8v8 WZs.

Edited June 5, 2014 by Ashuranrx

[Aetrus]

The best PvPers on this server from <Shots Fired>/<Vicious>, <Taking Lives>/<Saving Lives>, SDSG, and <REGULATORS> are just as good if not better than the so called "elite" from Pot5. Then there are individual good PvPers too from the not-PvP-focused guilds. PvPers from Pot5 got nothing on us.

 

We'll see soon. Shots Fired main ranked team should be transferring to POT5 shortly to test the waters. I'll probably transfer my vanguard, Synergy, over there after the 10th as a backup. The games will no doubt be streamed by Sibek or Rivik and/or put up on West'n's YouTube channel when all this happens.

[CellPerfect]

Not correct. Maximum capacity for every server is the same. "light, standard, heavy, very heavy, and full" is base on percentage of the maximum capacity.

 

If this is true then Jung Ma isn't able to hold as big of a population as other servers. I have seen other servers such as The Ebon Hawk have a larger population with "standard" than Jung Ma has ever had with "heavy." From what I have seen and heard it is based off of the average, not the amount the server can hold.

 

When was the last time you see this? Pot5 activity only started to drop recently with Wildstar out.

 

Admittedly I'm speaking about pre-release so I could be wrong about its current state.

 

Group ranked is dead every where. We had much more ranked activity with ranked 8v8 WZs.

 

True although grouped is better on servers such as PoT5 and I heard the Harbinger (though I haven't seen that for myself). Again this is all pre-wildstar so things could be different.

[Joshwar]

Things might be different on the Imp side, but Pub side of JM is terrible 90% of the time. The population of the Pub side has greatly declined since ESO and WS have launched, and many of the guilds that were large or growing and strong 6 months ago have either seen drastic drops in activity or are simply not around anymore.

 

In the last month I've logged in during prime time to >100 people on the fleet.

 

The server is not doing well at all. I have several toons still on JM, but have really started playing on BC and Harbinger more than anything.

[Luniara]

Sometimes...I really wished they'd merge JungMA. =( While usually I'd go "NO WAI, JUNG MA R THE GREATEST" seeing that we're losing such amazing pvpers is just sad.

[Zoom_VI]

Sometimes...I really wished they'd merge JungMA. =( While usually I'd go "NO WAI, JUNG MA R THE GREATEST" seeing that we're losing such amazing pvpers is just sad.

 

I would agree with this assessment if there was another server to merge into that wasn't a cesspool, except there isn't.

[Luniara]

I would agree with this assessment if there was another server to merge into that wasn't a cesspool, except there isn't.

 

I've never tried to check out other servers. I have toons there but...Just never bother.

[Zoom_VI]

I've never tried to check out other servers. I have toons there but...Just never bother.

 

I have toons on Pot5, shadowlands, and TEH. But all of those toons have gone inactive because the server communities always put me off. The pure PvP servers are just hordes of Elitist ******es, Shadowlands felt like everyone was out for themselves, TEH was just ...meh...

[LanceCorporalDan]

I have toons on Pot5, shadowlands, and TEH. But all of those toons have gone inactive because the server communities always put me off. The pure PvP servers are just hordes of Elitist ******es, Shadowlands felt like everyone was out for themselves, TEH was just ...meh...

 

Those are my feelings. I took my sin who used to be my main off pot5 last year since, well... I play on JM! Haven't bothered looking back. But everywhere I see doomsayers of "our server is dead merge us or another server into us." I tried other servers to get a feel but JM always kept my interest from the people and community we have here. The only other servers I've had an equally fun time on was Pot5 for PvP, and Prog for RP. And both seem lacking in where the other is strong. So JM is my happy medium

[Ashuranrx]

If this is true then Jung Ma isn't able to hold as big of a population as other servers. I have seen other servers such as The Ebon Hawk have a larger population with "standard" than Jung Ma has ever had with "heavy." From what I have seen and heard it is based off of the average, not the amount the server can hold.

 

It doesn't make sense for BW to have different server capacity for each server and different values of "light, standard, heavy, very heavy, and full" for each server. These server status indication would be meaningless if they mean different things for each server, unless BW wants to mislead players about server population intentionally, which also makes no sense. Also, fleet population is a biased indication of server population. More people standing around the fleet chating does not mean the server is more active.

 

Group ranked is dead for all the servers now. Even PvPers in The Bastion are looking for another server for group ranked. (http://www.swtor.com//community/showthread.php?t=745639)

 

And we had people warned us that group ranked is also dead on Harbinger. (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=744409)

 

Would anyone really expect Pot5 to have more active group ranked than The Bastion and Harbinger, when Pot5 now has much lower activity than those server? Logic does not compute. So comparing the to current status of other servers, Jung Ma is unique and is doing great. Now one may argue that SWTOR is not doing great as a whole, but that is another topic.

[Zoom_VI]

It doesn't make sense for BW to have different server capacity for each server and different values of "light, standard, heavy, very heavy, and full" for each server. These server status indication would be meaningless if they mean different things for each server, unless BW wants to mislead players about server population intentionally, which also makes no sense. Also, fleet population is a biased indication of server population. More people standing around the fleet chating does not mean the server is more active.

 

Except that's exactly how it works. When BW created the new servers they made predictions on what the server populations would look like down the road. Jung Ma does go standard at far low population numbers than other servers because the server itself has a lower capacity. Bigger servers require more money to maintain so they don't want to have server with capacities any higher than necessary.

 

That's why the TORstatus numbers are misleading since they do not give accurate totals, TORstatus can only be used to see whether server populations are declining or growing, not what they actually are. Pot5 has a bigger population than Jung Ma, but it is bleeding population faster than Jung Ma which is why it is lower than JM on torstatus.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Zoom_VI

[GannorAton]

That being said, lets get technical:

 

Can BioWare/EA do what Blizzard did and do a Battlegroup with PvP across all servers? I have no clue to what it would take to make this happen.

[aq_swagga]

That being said, lets get technical:

 

Can BioWare/EA do what Blizzard did and do a Battlegroup with PvP across all servers? I have no clue to what it would take to make this happen.

 

Are you talking about Cross-Server Queuing for Warzones? If so, I highly doubt it. BioWare has already said they have no current plants to implement cross server queues, but I guess we can hope they'll implement it someday. Maybe it'll be their ace in the hole to keep the game from completely dying

[Jrawrd]

Very important information regarding the improvement and survival of Jung Ma.

[Zoom_VI]

Are you talking about Cross-Server Queuing for Warzones? If so, I highly doubt it. BioWare has already said they have no current plants to implement cross server queues, but I guess we can hope they'll implement it someday. Maybe it'll be their ace in the hole to keep the game from completely dying

 

Yeah but remember they also said numerous times that they had no plans for space PvP either, and then when GSF came out they where like "yeah we have been working on this since launch, trololol"

 

Tip for understanding dev speak, they will only tell you when they are working on something after they have finished it. Mostly so that if something crops up they won't have hordes of players screaming that them for failing on their "promise." This is applicable to all software devs no just gaming ones.

[Whetstone]

That being said, lets get technical:

 

Can BioWare/EA do what Blizzard did and do a Battlegroup with PvP across all servers? I have no clue to what it would take to make this happen.

 

It seems like most of the tech needed to do it already exists (server transfers). They would just need to create an intermediary server for PVP instances and design a method to do a quick server transfer (stats and inventory only) before and after each warzone. It would be a major project but nothing on the scale of something like GSF. <shrug>

[Anishor]

It seems like most of the tech needed to do it already exists (server transfers). They would just need to create an intermediary server for PVP instances and design a method to do a quick server transfer (stats and inventory only) before and after each warzone. It would be a major project but nothing on the scale of something like GSF. <shrug>

 

Even without having looked at their technology stack I can say this is not as simple as it sounds. Also a transfer operation is a lot different than x-server.

[Joshwar]

While I agree that fleet population isn't necessarily the best indicator of overall activity on a server, it certainly clues you in on how populated the server is. End-game, if all you are into is PvP, you'll likely be hanging out on the fleet during queues. If you're into doing other stuff, you might end up on Oricon or the other daily planets for a bit, but most people I've played with in the last 2 years spend a good chunk of their play time hanging out on the fleet, crafting, queue-ing and socializing.

 

Starter planet populations are a good indicator of the overall health of the server as well, because lower pop levels indicate a lack of new players to the server and/or the commitment of current players to staying on it (ie: rolling new toons = time commitment to sticking around, at least in the short term.)

 

By both of these indicators Jung Ma is losing players at an alarming rate. You can't lose a large chunk of a community and expect things to stay the same. Experienced players leaving a server or the game in droves leaves it with a population less involved in the community, less knowledgeable and skillful at clearing content / playing objectives effectively, which compounds the issue by encouraging others that have the knowledge/experience/connections to leave as well.

 

Even if new players on a server outnumbers the experienced players that are leaving you can end up with a community much less able to stay consistent and stable in the long run. Unless there are those brave souls willing to spend their game time encouraging community involvement and taking it upon themselves to initiate training and encouragement to new players you'll quickly find the server in the "cesspool" category.

 

I just don't see how anyone can look at the state of things on JM and cheekily declare things are "just fine".

[Zoom_VI]

It seems like most of the tech needed to do it already exists (server transfers). They would just need to create an intermediary server for PVP instances and design a method to do a quick server transfer (stats and inventory only) before and after each warzone. It would be a major project but nothing on the scale of something like GSF. <shrug>

 

wat

Server transfers is just copying data, that is easy. Cross server is well two things from different servers interacting, which is a nightmare. Doable? totally, but its not easy, particularly depending on how the server infrastructure is set up.