XEEVA Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Need a bit of help on this one My merc is pretty well geared but I am constantly missing attacks. Just did a parse on my ship dummy with the armor debuff active and my miss rates were as follows Power Shot 15.1% Rail Shot 14.6% Unload 10.0% In my character sheet I have 100.43% ranged and 110.43% tech accuracy (470 rating, 1% companion and 3% from skills) I am using the standard Pyro build from the dulfy site and have tested out different combos of accuracy enhancements but I am constantly missing....... Below is part of my combat log filtered for just power shot 12:40:17.657 You activate Power Shot 12:40:17.941 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 6,057* energy damage (6,057 threat) 12:40:17.941 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 150 energy damage (150 threat) 12:40:19.487 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,552 energy damage (2,552 threat) 12:40:19.487 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (miss) damage (1 threat) 12:40:25.421 You activate Power Shot 12:40:27.407 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 6,205* energy damage (6,205 threat) 12:40:27.407 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 395* energy damage (395 threat) 12:40:27.721 You activate Power Shot 12:40:29.608 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (dodge) damage (1 threat) 12:40:29.608 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 159 energy damage (159 threat) 12:40:36.125 You activate Power Shot 12:40:37.791 You activate Power Shot 12:40:38.074 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,799 energy damage (2,799 threat) 12:40:38.075 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 527* energy damage (527 threat) 12:40:39.440 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 5,695* energy damage (5,695 threat) 12:40:39.441 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 390* energy damage (390 threat) 12:40:41.158 You activate Power Shot 12:40:42.840 You activate Power Shot 12:40:43.089 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,609 energy damage (2,609 threat) 12:40:43.089 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (miss) damage (1 threat) 12:40:44.675 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,666 energy damage (2,666 threat) 12:40:44.675 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (miss) damage (1 threat) 12:40:50.158 You activate Power Shot 12:40:51.791 You activate Power Shot 12:40:52.094 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,739 energy damage (2,739 threat) 12:40:52.095 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (dodge) damage (1 threat) 12:40:53.672 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,483 energy damage (2,483 threat) 12:40:53.673 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 157 energy damage (157 threat) 12:40:57.821 You activate Power Shot 12:40:59.624 You activate Power Shot 12:40:59.758 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (dodge) damage (1 threat) 12:40:59.759 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 196 energy damage (196 threat) 12:41:01.604 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 5,567* energy damage (5,567 threat) 12:41:01.604 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 515* energy damage (515 threat) 12:41:07.424 You activate Power Shot 12:41:09.023 You activate Power Shot 12:41:09.288 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,742 energy damage (2,742 threat) 12:41:09.289 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 336* energy damage (336 threat) 12:41:10.906 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 5,496* energy damage (5,496 threat) 12:41:10.906 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 264 energy damage (264 threat) 12:41:12.636 You activate Power Shot 12:41:14.488 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 5,443* energy damage (5,443 threat) 12:41:14.489 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (miss) damage (1 threat) 12:41:14.554 You activate Power Shot 12:41:16.439 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 5,407* energy damage (5,407 threat) 12:41:16.439 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 303* energy damage (303 threat) 12:41:23.819 You activate Power Shot 12:41:25.758 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 2,477 energy damage (2,477 threat) 12:41:25.758 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (miss) damage (1 threat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afieri Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Offhand misses motherlicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XEEVA Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 12:40:59.758 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (dodge) damage (1 threat) 12:40:59.759 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 196 energy damage (196 threat) 12:41:01.604 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 5,567* energy damage (5,567 threat) 12:41:01.604 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 515* energy damage (515 threat) That is a mainhand miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afieri Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 12:40:59.758 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 0 (dodge) damage (1 threat) 12:40:59.759 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 196 energy damage (196 threat) 12:41:01.604 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 5,567* energy damage (5,567 threat) 12:41:01.604 You hit Operations Training Dummy with Power Shot for 515* energy damage (515 threat) That is a mainhand miss Yeah just skimmed it, my bad there. Power Shot, from memory, uses ranged accuracy, not tech accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Post a link to your entire log please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XEEVA Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 http://www.torparse.com/a/618560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 http://www.torparse.com/a/618560 You'll notice the tooltip says "Weapon Damage" http://www.torhead.com/ability/7dnfBcs/power-shot That would mean it's using your Ranged Accuracy of 100.43%. AFAIK, Ops Dummies have a 10% resist chance, which means your power shot would miss 9.57% of the time. Your PS miss % in that fight is 16.17%, which is high, but possibly just due to bad RNG. Compare Pizza's parse, where he missed 12.14% of PS activations, but still pulled 4080. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Qh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) You'll notice the tooltip says "Weapon Damage" http://www.torhead.com/ability/7dnfBcs/power-shot That would mean it's using your Ranged Accuracy of 100.43%. AFAIK, Ops Dummies have a 10% resist chance, which means your power shot would miss 9.57% of the time. Your PS miss % in that fight is 16.17%, which is high, but possibly just due to bad RNG. Compare Pizza's parse, where he missed 12.14% of PS activations, but still pulled 4080. Wrong on so many levels. And from that torparse log, all i see are offhand misses Edited March 13, 2014 by THE_Qh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Wrong on so many levels. And from that torparse link, all i see are offhand misses So if I'm wrong, correct me. (Way to be a complete **** by the way) Your comment is of no value whatsoever to the OP Edited March 13, 2014 by Khevar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Qh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So if I'm wrong, correct me. (Way to be a complete **** by the way) The 10% resist applies to force and tech damage. That is why sorc dps have also needed accuracy since 2.0 to get their force accuracy to 110% to overcome the resist chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Qh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Your comment is of no value whatsoever to the OP He thinks his mainhand is missing attacks, his torparse log shows his mainhand isn't missing any attacks. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afieri Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) The 10% resist applies to force and tech damage. That is why sorc dps have also needed accuracy since 2.0 to get their force accuracy to 110% to overcome the resist chance Bosses also have a chance to dodge or parry which runs off the player's Ranged/Melee acc. This was never actually nailed down to a hard value, but it was thought to be around 8% pre 2.0. When 2.0 dropped Champion and Boss mobs received an additional 10% Force/Tech Defence. But looking at the torhead page for Power Shot, it seems to imply that it is a Special White attack, therefore running off tech accuracy. So I'm at a loss as to why a mainhand attack is missing. He thinks his mainhand is missing attacks, his torparse log shows his mainhand isn't missing any attacks. Simples. OP linked the wrong log. Timestamps don't match. Edited March 13, 2014 by Afieri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Qh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Bosses also have a chance to dodge or parry which runs off the player's Ranged/Melee acc. This was never actually nailed down to a hard value, but it was thought to be around 8% pre 2.0. When 2.0 dropped Champion and Boss mobs received an additional 10% Force/Tech Defence. But looking at the torhead page for Power Shot, it seems to imply that it is a Special White attack, therefore running off tech accuracy. So I'm at a loss as to why a mainhand attack is missing. OP linked the wrong log. Timestamps don't match. Maybe he was browsing through multiple logs and got confused with which was his, that's the only explanation for misses I can come up with. And I know that happens when you have more of them open at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) http://www.torparse.com/a/618560 Thanks, but this doesn't appear to be the same log. In this log I only see OH misses. EDIT: Oops, didn't the other responses when I commented. Edited March 13, 2014 by oofalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 But looking at the torhead page for Power Shot, it seems to imply that it is a Special White attack, therefore running off tech accuracy. So I'm at a loss as to why a mainhand attack is missing. It doesn't run off of tech accuracy. There is a 'special attack' accuracy. If you hover over the ranged accuracy you will see it. It is effectively the same as tech accuracy, but behind the scenes it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afieri Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 It doesn't run off of tech accuracy. There is a 'special attack' accuracy. If you hover over the ranged accuracy you will see it. It is effectively the same as tech accuracy, but behind the scenes it is not. Ok, so does that mean that this behaviour is to be expected or does OP need to find the log and upload it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Qh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Ok, so does that mean that this behaviour is to be expected or does OP need to find the log and upload it? With a 100% ranged accuracy, ranged attacks should not miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XEEVA Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Thanks for the feedback everyone. Have to say that for some reason the merc forum seem to be the most helpful out of all the class forums! Yes, the full log I posted was using 100.43% accuracy so yes I did not have any MH misses. The initial posting was using 99.27% so that explains the MH misses. So basically it is expected that OH hits will miss occasionally, so that is fine. Just wanted to confirm if that was the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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