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[THoK-Zeus]

Shouldn't you go the other direction? So, X / (1 - 0.05)

 

X is for me the variable i look for, so yes the calculation is (visible damage from the combat log)/0,95 = X.

 

I think we both mean the same .

[ZentheSecond]

@KBN; I am somewhat curious what those two extra points in the tank tree are for, as you see to skip getting them in a handful of boss fights.

@thok; Why the hybrid darkness/decept spec? It seems odd that you would want to not have wither...

 

As for the topic on hand. Lot of shadow/assassin posts lol. So makes this a really good tool for other tanks to look at.

Edited November 28, 2013 by ZentheSecond

[THoK-Zeus]

@KBN; I am somewhat curious what those two extra points in the tank tree are for, as you see to skip getting them in a handful of boss fights.

@thok; Why the hybrid darkness/decept spec? It seems odd that you would want to not have wither...

 

As for the topic on hand. Lot of shadow/assassin posts lol. So makes this a really good tool for other tanks to look at.

 

Hybrid is very good for a lot of different fights. I have written a guide about that on the forums http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=695264 .

 

With the new changes in 2.5 and the 12 second cooldown on Dark Protection it will probably be the hardest spec in the game by far (tough rewarding).

[Narciuss]

Can't wait for the changes next week, goodbye self heals. Going to try out the 37/5/4, just so lazy I've been 36/3/7 since 2.0

 

Lochesh - Shadow - Kinetic Combat 36/3/7 - 8 man - Corruptor Zero / DF HM

 

Here is a better Corruptor log. Have the right gear on but I really could use a shield amp relic for this one.

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/507327/7/0/Overview

 

Dtph 2989.33 (1590.69 Dtps)

Dtph selfheal: 2780.9 (1382.26 Dtps)

Biggest Hit Taken: 6,325.22

Edited November 28, 2013 by Narciuss

[KeyboardNinja]

@KBN; I am somewhat curious what those two extra points in the tank tree are for, as you see to skip getting them in a handful of boss fights.

 

I dramatically prefer having points in Applied Force. On most fights (particularly pre-2.4 bosses), having the short CD on the gap closer means next to nothing, and the extra threat on Double Strike is sometimes legitimately noticeable (NiM Thrasher is the most notable example). 37/5/4 is my go-to spec when I don't feel like respecing between each fight, but when I *can* respec between fights, I do.

[Kawabonga]

Some data from Dread palace 8m HM

 

Kawabonga - Assassin - Full Darkness - Dread Palace 8 man HM- Bestia

Link to parse

Damage taken per hit: 2619 (1686 Dtps)

Damage taken per hit - self heals: 2167

Biggest hit taken: 13584

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Kawabonga - Assassin - Full Darkness - Dread Palace 8 man HM- Tyrans

There's a stealth and a death on this one: Link to parse

Damage taken per hit: 2528 (1527 Dtps)

Damage taken per hit - self heals: 2077

Biggest hit taken: 16362

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Kawabonga - Assassin - Full Darkness - Dread Palace 8 man HM- Calphayus

Died here right before the last phase Link to parse

Damage taken per hit: 1446 (876 dtps)

Damage taken per hit - self heals: 1146

Biggest hit taken: 8804

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Kawabonga - Assassin - Full Darkness - Dread Palace 8 man HM- Raptus

Link to parse

Damage taken per hit: 3037 (1625 Dtps)

Damage taken per hit - self heals: 2566

Biggest hit taken: 31697 (Damn driving thrust)

 

I should also have 16m hm data but it's buried deep within the logs file, and the gear level was a bit lower

Edited November 28, 2013 by Kawabonga

[WooduckAUS]

I noticed only shadows so far.....

 

So here are my guardian's logs from a sloppy run from this week, for comparison purposes nothing more, far from perfect. Tanked very lazily as i wasn't expecting to be going through each fight afterwards with a fine toothed comb

 

When i get more time, i'll try to separate the important information.

 

Gear - 78's on the right side / 72's on the left side.

 

DP HM 8m

http://www.torparse.com/a/507549

Edited November 28, 2013 by WooduckAUS

[Muert]

KBN's cotank here, so when he mentions a missed taunt...

 

Anyway:

 

Muertat - Vanguard - Shield Specialist - 36-6-4 - 8 Man - Bestia

Tam takes Bestia first when she comes down

DTPH - 2384

Biggest Hit 10,098

 

Muertat - Vanguard - Shield Specialist - 36-6-4 - 8 Man - Tyrans

Tam took him first. I died the first time I took him.

DTPH - 2019

Biggest Hit 12,318 (Ignoring my trip through badly placed inferno)

 

Muertat - Vanguard - Shield Specialist - 36-6-4 - 8 Man - Calphayus

Past - Future - Future

DTPH - 1417

Biggest Hit - 6736

 

Muertat - Vanguard - Shield Specialist - 36-6-4 - 8 Man - Raptus

I offtank this one, only taunting when Tam is Launched, or falls below 60%

DTPH - 1897

Biggest Hit - 26468

 

Muertat - Vanguard - Shield Specialist - 36-6-4 - 8 Man - Dread Council

Swap on every kick during first phase, Brontes during second, Bestia third.

DTPH - 907

Biggest Hit - 12022

[THoK-Zeus]

A quick update to the thread:

Thanks for providing your logs, I will put all your parses up on the Leaderboard during the Weekend when i have more time (currently i am just updating everything step by step).

 

I am very tempted to move Average Damage Taken per Hit - Selfheal out (regarding 2.5 changes) and put them into some kind of seperate section to keep all the Sections not so crowded.

Edited November 28, 2013 by THoK-Zeus

[Narciuss]

Some data from Dread palace 8m HM

 

Kawabonga - Assassin - Full Darkness - Dread Palace 8 man HM- Bestia

Link to parse

Damage taken per hit: 2619 (1686 Dtps)

Damage taken per hit - self heals: 2167

Biggest hit taken: 13584

 

That is the damage from the Dread Monster. Bestia did Dtph 3779.37 (1686.92 Dtps) to you.

[THoK-Zeus]

That is the damage from the Dread Monster. Bestia did Dtph 3779.37 (1686.92 Dtps) to you.

 

As far as i see it's correct. He did get hit 283 times and did get 741291 damage in the whole boss fight. That's then an average of 2619,40 damage per hit.

 

Also, all damage from all scources in a boss encounter is taken together (actually i forgot to specify that, my bad), so for the bestia fight for example also the monsters.

[Narciuss]

Okay wasn't taking all damage into account.

 

Lochesh - Shadow - Kinetic Combat 36/3/7 - 8 man - Bestia / DP HM

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/506926/31/0/Overview

 

Dtph 2974.14 (1726.17 Dtps)

Dtph selfheal: 2695.86 (1447.89 Dtps)

Biggest Hit Taken: 17,297

[Narciuss]

Lochesh - Shadow - Kinetic Combat 36/3/7 - 8 man - Draxus / DF HM

 

I died right at the end on this fight guardian killed me, forgot to resilience took 17,987 dmg.

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/506926/12/0/Overview

 

Dtph 665.49 (1095.74 Dtps)

Dtph selfheal: 531.74 (961.99 Dtps)

Biggest Hit Taken: 17,987

 

 

Lochesh - Shadow - Kinetic Combat 36/3/7 - 8 man - Grob'thok / DF HM

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/506926/16/0/Overview

 

Dtph 2680.92 (1618.46 Dtps)

Dtph selfheal: 2402.4 (1339.94 Dtps)

Biggest Hit Taken: 11,590

 

 

Lochesh - Shadow - Kinetic Combat 36/3/7 - 8 man - Corruptor Zero / DF HM

 

Here is a better Corruptor log. Have the right gear on but I really could use a shield amp relic for this one.

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/507327/7/0/Overview

 

Dtph 2169.53 (1590.69 Dtps)

Dtph selfheal: 1961.1 (1382.26 Dtps)

Biggest Hit Taken: 11,727

Edited November 29, 2013 by Narciuss

[XORDYH]

This is an interesting and informative thread, thanks to THoK for creating it and also everyone who has contributed.

 

My only comment so far is that there is a bit of a disconnect between some of the information from the logs and what is seen from a practical standpoint in-game. Specifically, the Biggest Hit data.

 

Using KeyboardNinja's log as an example, we see that his biggest hit taken from Nefra was 5,972. However, this was more accurately the biggest partial-component of a three-component attack (Twin Attack, in this case). From a healing perspective, I find it more informative that there were two instances where KBN failed to defend or shield all three components of a single Twin Attack, resulting in 17,916 damage taken from that single attack.

 

Personally, I feel that it would be more beneficial to consider the summed total of all components for multi-component attacks when determining the biggest hit taken by a tank.

 

Tam - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 39/3/4 - 8 man - Nefra / Dread Fortress

http://www.torparse.com/a/499966/time/1385088859/1385088994/0/Damage+Taken

 

I was not guarded for this fight, my cotank was.

 

DtPS: 2109.05

DtPS - self-heal: 1684.48

Biggest hit taken: 5972

Heals taken (from external sources): 1557.85 HPS

Edited November 29, 2013 by XORDYH

[Kawabonga]

Wouldn't this thread get more visibility (and so more participation) if it was in the Flashpoints, Operations and Heroic Missions forum, like the dps leaderboards?

[Leafy_Bug]

I have an interesting log which may or may not help you guys in running your models. I was tanking Council HM a while back and tank had to go AFK to pick up his pizza. I took the opportunity to see how much damage I can take when I tank both Bestia and Calphayus, notwithstanding the 5 stacks which are an instant kill. This video can be found here. 2500 is the actual number I received. Makes me think of possible NiM numbers and how BIS 78 gear handles that under very bad conditions. Let me know if you want to see the numbers.

 

 

Good work with the topic and keep it up!

[THoK-Zeus]

I have an interesting log which may or may not help you guys in running your models. I was tanking Council HM a while back and tank had to go AFK to pick up his pizza. I took the opportunity to see how much damage I can take when I tank both Bestia and Calphayus, notwithstanding the 5 stacks which are an instant kill. This video can be found here. 2500 is the actual number I received. Makes me think of possible NiM numbers and how BIS 78 gear handles that under very bad conditions. Let me know if you want to see the numbers.

 

 

Good work with the topic and keep it up!

 

Had to do something similar before quite a few times. Basically the faster you run, the less damage you get. You can actually survive that also in 16 man hm for quite some time. Although at some point they will just burst you from 100 to 0% in 1 attack.

I am curious, do you mean with nim that you want to kite bestia (and/or calyphaus)? I would wait for the actual release of the content before i think about new tactics .

[_REDRUM_]

I only see shadow tank and DF on the leaderboard. Kinda a curious if other tanks don't care or don't bother to upload their parse. Personally, I only tank and upload 2 - 3 parses over a year so I am one of the latter group. That aside, I have a parse for DP.

 

Hachi - Shadow Tank - 37/5/4 - Full Kinetic Combat

http://www.torparse.com/a/495808/17/0/Damage+Taken

Dread Council

Dtps = 1811.6

(Dtps - EHPS = 1534.63)

Biggest Hit = 21419 (That force push hurt!)

[THoK-Zeus]

Ok another update from me:

Self Heal will move into a seperate section. I will also create a seperate Leaderboard for Self-Heals. While this has mainly nostalgic reasons, it will be interesting to see difference for shadow/assassin tanks with the 2.5 changes.

[_REDRUM_]

New parse from me. Some of them will not enter top 5 but I include them for completion.

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Bestia/Dread Palace

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/8/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 1492.29

EHPS - 173.37

ADPH - 3052.88 (NOT RANK)

BIggest Hit - 28558 (NOT RANK)

 

 

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Tyrans/Dread Palace

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/12/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 1695.55

EHPS - 218.85

ADPH - 2369.12

Biggest Hit - 16319

 

 

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Calphayus/Dread Palace (Past -> Future -> Past)

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/17/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 921.2

EHPS - 91.16

ADPH - 1198.82

Biggest Hit - 8669

 

 

I skip Raptus because I am offtank and died in the middle of the fight.

 

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Dread Council/Dread Palace (I died at the very end of the last burn phase. Not sure if this will count)

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/34/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 1631.49

EHPS - 242.15

ADPH - 1202.35

Biggest Hit - 15809

 

 

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Nefra/Dread Fortress (I am offtank and guarded)

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/39/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 1857.25

EHPS - 435.5

ADPH - 1950.53

Biggest Hit - 5802

 

 

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Draxus/Dread Fortress

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/46/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 958.83

EHPS - 162.33

ADPH - 777.08

Biggest Hit - 18369

 

 

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Grob'thok/Dread Fortress

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/51/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 2006.98

EHPS - 219.06

ADPH - 2466.43

Biggest Hit - 11114

 

 

Hachi - Shadow - Full Kinetic Combat - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Corrupted Zero/Dread Fortress

 

http://www.torparse.com/a/509098/54/0/Damage+Taken

DTPS - 1524.14

EHPS - 192.2

ADPH - 2806.73

Biggest Hit - 15682

 

 

How do we deal with sage/sorc in the group? Their force armor will decrease dtps and possibly adph.

[leto_cleon]

Letocleon - Guardian Tank - Nefra 8M HM

 

Was switched to do off tank duty for the clear. Unguarded.

 

Log: http://www.torparse.com/a/509373

 

DTPS: 2105

HGPS: 145

HTPS: 2176

 

Biggest Hit Taken: 4914 x2 at 65s (9828)

Total Damage Absorbed: 25190

 

DSA Stats for Fight: 1005 (20.1) / 792 (39.57) / 499 (32.29)

[Kuciwalker]

Yes, but i suppose that's the same for dps (and their leaderboard) aswell.

 

Not really. Sure, in theory there is a lot more to DPS than putting up a big number, but few of the other things DPS need to do actually subtract from that. Contra tanks, where even something as simple as "damage taken" is ambiguous. Maybe you took less damage because you let more get through to the other raid members, or maybe because you used cooldowns more effectively. Maybe your mitigation/CD usage is good enough that you and your partner swap at higher stacks to make the other parts of the fight go smoother.

 

I get that a lot of these particularly objections can be answered on Nefra, but even there we have some edge cases. As a Vanguard, when I use my riot gas it effectively buff *both* tanks. (More generally, if I am paired with a less geared tank I will tend to "donate" my riot gas to phases when he is on the boss.)

 

I hope that this thread helps us to see and discuss fights in a more practical way.

 

I actually feel like theorycrafting is the superior mode for doing this sort of analysis.=

[Leafy_Bug]

The disparity between shadows is interesting. I wanna see how the other tanks fair. So please start posting guys.

[Joel_Eisenlipz]

I should have a pair of logs from my Jugg tank by the weekend. We're still just starting out as a group, so I don't expect my numbers will be competive--but at least you'll have some data from another class.

 

Would you mind restating which bits of data you want, and how you want it formatted?

[THoK-Zeus]

I should have a pair of logs from my Jugg tank by the weekend. We're still just starting out as a group, so I don't expect my numbers will be competive--but at least you'll have some data from another class.

 

Would you mind restating which bits of data you want, and how you want it formatted?

 

Ok i will try to explain it as good as possible:

 

Basically in the Damage Taken Section from the Boss fight from your uploaded torparsefile there's an Overview:

 

I want the Average Damage Taken per hit (you have to calculate Damage/Hits).

Feel free to add the average Damage Taken per second (the next column in the overview) if you want.

 

Then I also want the Biggest Hit Taken, therefore scroll down until "Damage Taken Broken Down by Time", then sort all the attacks to get the biggest Hit you took easily from the log.

 

In the end it should look like this example:

 

Zahik - Assassin - Darkness - 37/5/4 - 8 man - Draxus / Dread Fortress

Log: http://www.torparse.com/a/469339/13/0/Damage+Taken

 

Damage Taken per Hit: 891,00

Damage Taken per Second: 1030,58

Biggest Hit taken: 17904

Edited December 4, 2013 by THoK-Zeus