Drake_Hound Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 No I said I would address that issue in the future, because I can only address one at a time. The reason I say they should get treatment is because gaming addiction is usually more of a problem for kids (as I understand it) and some time away from the computer/console is usually a good thing anyway. Moreover, Gambling addicts will get their fix with or without treatment. The only real way to treat gambling addiction is through self actualization. Secondly, responsible gaming is not an unheard of thing. I am not totally against EA running a casino as long as they label it as such.. with the odds etc. The odds will turn a lot of people away. I know a few people in this thread probably stand to lose out on easy credits if EA changes the way it conducts its business, but its for the betterment of society and the game. Well beter start sueing Pay to Win mmo then , instead of this mmo , where competitiveness forces you to spend money and kids don't know beter . If you want to open a can of worms , beter do it there with teams of paid players forcing people to spent to compete ! Oh call it shennigan your actions , this one people have the free choice to stop gambling , nobody else to blaim then themself . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 The thing is, you dont need to buy the packs to get the items in them. Just take a look on the exchange and you will see you can buy virtually every item from the packs for credits. Sure, they may cost a lot. But you can actually buy items from the CM then sale them for credits yourself, which will get you enough to purchase the high priced items you actually want. That means there is a clear cut way you to spend a specific amount of RL money to get the specific number of credits you need to get the specific rare pack item you want, with no gambling involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 excactly , I don't consider them there at all , I didn't need cartel coins to play this game . That they are a gift nice to use the babershop with . But other then that they are pointless , well I cannot cure stupidity , neither can I educate people in wisdom . I can only create awareness , but bottom point is people should PLAY , LIVE there life the way they want to. As long it doesn't cause harm to anybody else , if people want to self harm themself . It is there choice there stupidity , sounds harsh but it is reality to me . Yes but you do know that if those stupid people weren't paying for the sustainability of this game.. therefore it should be in your best interest to let EA know that you would like them to come up with "better" ways to make money 1. selling storyline quests ala cart 2. Selling Iconic armor ala cart 3. Selling Chairs ala cart (since they wont hard code them in) 4. Selling Emotes 5. Selling Companions 6. Selling Color crystals 7. Reserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psandak Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I know someone who has gone through a similar story although it was a tragic ending as he swallowed a bullet.. that person was my uncle and he was addicted to gambling. Its all fun and games till your the one sitting on a street corner asking for a dollar so you can bet against the Browns. Hazed, because of that personal connection you are unduly biased. So even if you managed to get into court with this (snowball's chance in hell), your credibility would be shot to s*** with this revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 No I said I would address that issue in the future I can hardly wait /rubs_hands because I can only address one at a time. /puts a virtual pack of gum on the virtual table to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake_Hound Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Yes but you do know that if those stupid people weren't paying for the sustainability of this game.. therefore it should be in your best interest to let EA know that you would like them to come up with "better" ways to make money 1. selling storyline quests ala cart 2. Selling Iconic armor ala cart 3. Selling Chairs ala cart (since they wont hard code them in) 4. Selling Emotes 5. Selling Companions 6. Selling Color crystals 7. Reserved No since when do the rich become rich by doing logical things ? you are asking humanity to change , fat chance it is going to happen . Why do you post this post when you know it is rubbishe to post this , same logic . I just laugh at it , your suggestion while charity friendly is the same crap as charity corporate sooner or later it get twisted onto a money machine . here people like to feel lucky or unlucky , people love to take chances , people want to feel alive in the safety and comfort of their home . Same as why are people fighting against a game when they should just stop playing if they are not enjoying themself , do you think you beter the world by being a uneducated person ? Well thus the world create uneducated people who didn't think or even analyse the behaviour pattern of people . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 excactly , I don't consider them there at all , I didn't need cartel coins to play this game . That they are a gift nice to use the babershop with . But other then that they are pointless , well I cannot cure stupidity , neither can I educate people in wisdom . I can only create awareness , but bottom point is people should PLAY , LIVE there life the way they want to. As long it doesn't cause harm to anybody else , if people want to self harm themself . It is there choice there stupidity , sounds harsh but it is reality to me . what stupidity and self harm is there in purchasing entertainment? Thats the part I don't get. If someone chooses to spend $100 on a game to open packs and got some entertainment out of it good for them. I've seen people spend $100 on a ticket to watch some person stand on stage for an hour and scream into a microphone and be so far from the stage they look like ants. I've seen people spend $300 to go to a football game for 3 hours Or $100 a month for a movie a week for 2 people. better yet, how about you worry about you, and not what someone else is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 what stupidity and self harm is there in purchasing entertainment? Thats the part I don't get. If someone chooses to spend $100 on a game to open packs and got some entertainment out of it good for them. I've seen people spend $100 on a ticket to watch some person stand on stage for an hour and scream into a microphone and be so far from the stage they look like ants. I've seen people spend $300 to go to a football game for 3 hours Or $100 a month for a movie a week for 2 people. better yet, how about you worry about you, and not what someone else is doing. Tell that to the guy who lost his wife and children. better yet, tell that to his wife and children who lost a father Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambunctious Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Gambling packs in games are already under attack in Japan. Some have been declared illegal, and the companies were forced to change, or remove them from their games. The ones that have been made illegal are very similar to what is in this game. It won't be long until other countries follow suit, and I can't wait for that day. Contrary to what some here are saying, these packs are true gambling, because what you do get the majority of time does not return the value of what you spent. It's more akin to a slot machine than a pack of baseball cards. How baseball cards get around that is offering chewing gum in the packs. In this case, the guaranteed gum is actually what you're "paying" to buy, and the cards are just a bonus with the gum. There is no guaranteed product with EA's gambling packs, just random junk that is mostly worthless. Look at all the 200 credit jerseys for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Tell that to the guy who lost his wife and children. better yet, tell that to his wife and children who lost a father Same goes for all of these folks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction#Notable_deaths Unless you think they need to change the game for that addiction, then there is no reason they should for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalacticKegger Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Let's see ... one buys a pack containing random stuff in the hopes of filling out a collection they can show off ... Well, looks the trading card industry is in trouble then. Especially since what you get in those packs can be traded on the open market for real money. Oy vey. Edited October 3, 2013 by GalacticKegger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Contrary to what some here are saying, these packs are true gambling, because what you do get the majority of time does not return the value of what you spent. The OP is arguing the use of the term in the legal sense. Even alleges to have filed legal action with his local jurisdiction. Unless/until jurisdictions actually amend local law to make Cartel Packs = gambling in a legal sense.. all you are doing is pitching rhetoric. It's pointless other then to express your distaste for Cartel Packs.. in which case.. don't buy them.. nobody is forcing you to and they are in no way required to play the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldeos Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 If you're complaining that it's illegal, why are you doing it? Looks like the feds'll be at your door kiddo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Let's see ... one buys a pack containing random stuff in the hopes of filling out a collection they can show off ... Well, looks the trading card industry is in trouble then. Especially since what you get in those packs can be traded on the open market for real money. Oy vey. You can't trade the stuff from CM on open market and it can be used in any other way outside the game. TCGs have a purpose to them in that they are played hold value etc.. nothing like a CM pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickious Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Tell that to the guy who lost his wife and children. better yet, tell that to his wife and children who lost a father We have a prime example in this forum. SirCopperfield, our gaming legend left his wife and kids for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunafox Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Cartel Coins are not money and have no value. When you buy them, you are not converting from one currency to another. You're buying Monopoly paper. Not even that..'virtual monopoly paper'. Pixels... :/ I do agree with the OP in spirit and sense, but I'm sure their legal eagles have it all well covered for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 The OP is arguing the use of the term in the legal sense. Even alleges to have filed legal action with his local jurisdiction. Unless/until jurisdictions actually amend local law to make Cartel Packs = gambling in a legal sense.. all you are doing is pitching rhetoric. It's pointless other then to express your distaste for Cartel Packs.. in which case.. don't buy them.. nobody is forcing you to and they are in no way required to play the game You have to tell the authorities something is wrong before they can do something about it.. I doubt many members of the justice dept are sitting around playing SWToR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Not even that..'virtual monopoly paper'. Pixels... :/ I do agree with the OP in spirit and sense, but I'm sure their legal eagles have it all well covered for them. truth is the legal eagles usually settle cases out of court, they know they walk a fine line.. and eventually they will have to grease a few pockets here and there in order to continue what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) You have to tell the authorities something is wrong before they can do something about it..... Actually, you don't. Authorities are fully empowered to act on statute, without citizen request. BUT.... when you do...you have to do more then that. You have to actually prove your case to a reasonable enough level that authorities take you seriously. People get bent about things all the time and /report it to authorities. Most of it is frivolous, not illegal, and not actionable. Most of it is simply ignored for what it is. You are barking into an empty hole here. I think you know it and are being rhetorical on principle. Which is fine.. but at least own it..and admit it.... and stop pretending you are running the equivalent of a class action complaint against the black market slave trade. I have to give you due credit though.. you are extremely good at turning nonsense into long dramatic useless threads. This only really works on slow news days though. Edited October 3, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) You have to tell the authorities something is wrong before they can do something about it.. I doubt many members of the justice dept are sitting around playing SWToR... You mean you think this is the only MMO that has lock boxes? Bless your naive little heart. No, this is common in the F2P industry, meaning it is no secret exclusive to this game or to any regulatory agencies. Edited October 3, 2013 by The_Grand_Nagus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCaliban Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Between this and the 'Change your engine before it's too late' thread, I'm going to say that Hazed is the best troll in the forums right now. I can't wait to see what he comes up with this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKHelseth Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 to risk losing (something valuable or important) in order to do or achieve something Marriage is now illegal folks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickious Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Between this and the 'Change your engine before it's too late' thread, I'm going to say that Hazed is the best troll in the forums right now. I can't wait to see what he comes up with this weekend. Ikr. He's the true definition of the internet troll. What a fascinating creature. What will he think to do next? *grabs popcorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Marriage is now illegal folks.... LOL... well played CKHelseth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midianlord Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 And this is why modern MMOGs (with certain exceptions) are in such a horrid state. No-one is forcing you to spend real money on those asinine surprise-bags, mate. And even if you paid real money for the CC to get one, then you're not risking losing money, because, as others have noted, you always get something. Maybe you should spend more time playing the game, and less time paying to eat the slops-for-pigs that EA throws you? That's all it is, to them. But whether you be a player, or a pig, is entirely up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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