Groundshark Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Smash and Force Scream don't seem to stun in PvP. Is this intended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQordisz Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I tried Force Scream several times in HuttBall and it did not seem to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geston Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 For some odd reason we are like the only class that isn't allowed to have a million stuns in pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 For some odd reason we are like the only class that isn't allowed to have a million stuns in pvp. No class has a million stuns. Just we are the only class without a 4 second duration, 1 minute cooldown stun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundshark Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 No class has a million stuns. Just we are the only class without a 4 second duration, 1 minute cooldown stun. Sounds a bit like Force Scream to me? Does anyone know if these are bugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sounds a bit like Force Scream to me? Does anyone know if these are bugs? they aren't bugs. A 15 second cooldown 4 second stun would be completely and utterly op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarachis Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 No class has a million stuns. Just we are the only class without a 4 second duration, 1 minute cooldown stun. Backhand in the immortal tree 4 sec 1 min cooldown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarachis Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Force scream and smash only stun weak enemies, PVP players are considered at least elite level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Backhand in the immortal tree 4 sec 1 min cooldown Yay our 5 tier talent (unreachable by all but an immortal spec) is the equivalent of what all classes get baseline. Does anyone else not see a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumbaUmba Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Choke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Choke? 3 seconds, stuns us as well. Does a little damage and give 3 rage. Other classes get 4 seconds and can do heavy damage during those 4 seconds. they are not comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Itharius Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Smash and Force Scream don't seem to stun in PvP. Is this intended? Yes. They only stun normal and weak NPCs. The only stuns in PvP for Juggernaut are force push, force charge with the Immortal tree talent, and force grip, since they have so much burst potential and mobility that any additional CC would be overpowered. Think Arms Warrior from WoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Itharius Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) 3 seconds, stuns us as well. Does a little damage and give 3 rage. Other classes get 4 seconds and can do heavy damage during those 4 seconds. they are not comparable. Force Choke is a castable stun instead of channelable as Immortal, and it sets up Rage spec Juggernauts for 230% damage instant-crit Smashes. The only spec that Force Choke isn't that great for is Vengeance. Learn all your class's specializations before you call something imbalanced. Edited December 22, 2011 by Lord_Itharius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Force Choke is a castable stun instead of channelable as Immortal, and it sets up Rage spec Juggernauts for 230% damage instant-crit Smashes. The only spec that Force Choke isn't that great for is Vengeance. Learn all your class's specializations before you call something imbalanced. Sweet we can use a channeled spell to set up out single aoe to do as much damage as other classes can do with little setup. Again, it's not equivalent to a 4 second stun that we can do whatever we wish with. I know the specs, I know them quite well. Been playing the class for over 4 months now. The class should get a baseline true stun like all other classes get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deserttfoxx Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Ive said this since beta.. Backhand needs to be taken out of the immortal tree and given to all juggernauts. We shoudnt have to talent into a subpar stun, mean while classes like the operative get a 30 second c/d 4 second stun at level 9. Edited December 23, 2011 by deserttfoxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyereth Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Ive said this since beta.. Backhand needs to be taken out of the immortal tree and given to all juggernauts. We shoudnt have to talent into a subpar stun, mean while classes like the operative get a 30 second c/d 4 second stun at level 9. Not all things are supposed to be exact mirrors for the sake of being absolutely neck and neck competitive with each other, either. Different class, different tools. That's life~ Edited December 23, 2011 by Lyereth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Not all things are supposed to be exact mirrors for the sake of being absolutely neck and neck competitive with each other, either. Different class, different tools. That's life~ Again, it's something all classes have. It's not simply something one has that we want, it universal similarity between all classes except this one. the fact that you can't see what is off about it is sad. And I'm sorry but this class does not perform so far above other classes that it doesn't need something basic to what all classes have. Edited December 23, 2011 by Noth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundshark Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 Yes. They only stun normal and weak NPCs. The only stuns in PvP for Juggernaut are force push, force charge with the Immortal tree talent, and force grip, since they have so much burst potential and mobility that any additional CC would be overpowered. Think Arms Warrior from WoW. I would not compare this class with the MS warrior from WoW. There is not nearly the same amount of burst damage in this class compared to the MS warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharagada Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Yes. They only stun normal and weak NPCs. The only stuns in PvP for Juggernaut are force push, force charge with the Immortal tree talent, and force grip, since they have so much burst potential and mobility that any additional CC would be overpowered. Think Arms Warrior from WoW. You don't really play Juggs do you? Juggs do not have high burst. The only spec that has any kind of "burst" is the Rage tree with Smash, which requires set up in order to pull off on an "aoe" move. Edited December 23, 2011 by Dharagada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawlnoobs Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I got the talent in Immortal that makes my force leap stun instead of immobilize. It doesn't seem to stun because I can't hilt bash people , I hope "Backhand" stuns in pvp it's my next talent spent then at least one of our abilities will stun a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I got the talent in Immortal that makes my force leap stun instead of immobilize. It doesn't seem to stun because I can't hilt bash people , I hope "Backhand" stuns in pvp it's my next talent spent then at least one of our abilities will stun a player. it stuns, you just have only .5 seconds of stun time to use pommel strike. 1.5 seconds of that 2 second stun is useless to you because of the GCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tierdal Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 this is kinda of interesting force scream should stun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deserttfoxx Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Not all things are supposed to be exact mirrors for the sake of being absolutely neck and neck competitive with each other, either. Different class, different tools. That's life~ This make sense to you? That all classes except juggernaut have a 1 minute stun, honestly it does? Are you even a juggernaut? I find it hard to believe that you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyereth Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 This make sense to you? That all classes except juggernaut have a 1 minute stun, honestly it does? Are you even a juggernaut? I find it hard to believe that you are. So roll another class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimmer Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I got the talent in Immortal that makes my force leap stun instead of immobilize. It doesn't seem to stun because I can't hilt bash people , I hope "Backhand" stuns in pvp it's my next talent spent then at least one of our abilities will stun a player. Pommel Strike and Spinning Kick can't be used in pvp. I mean first we don't get the 4 second stun like every other class gets at around level 12, and then 2 of Juggs most damaging single target abilites don't work. Complete ******** in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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