TonyDragonflame Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Here are crap specs for pvp. Why crap? Cuz depending from dots: * Watchman sentinel * Vigilance guardian * Balance shadow * Assault vanguard * Tactics vanguard * Assault commando * Dirty fighting scoundrel How fix them all with one move? Easy. Just remove cleanse from healers, at least from scoundrel and sage healers. Maybe only commando medic still can have cleanse.
stupidsyrup Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 hehehehahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. Dumbest thing I've seen all week and it's only Thursday. And these specs you call "crap" work excellently for other players. This sounds like a hidden L2P issue
Ryvirath Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 He has a point. Is there any compelling reason for cleanse to exist outside of CD clears? The only time it's ever used is to cleanse the dots of under performing dot classes. And if the ability just exists to kick bad specs while they are down why even have it? This seems like a case of everyone else has it so we have to as well. Cleanse doesn't serve much of a functional purpose in competitive swtor.
midianlord Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 This thread is bad, and the OP should feel ashamed of itself. 2/10.
Evolixe Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 He has a point. Is there any compelling reason for cleanse to exist outside of CD clears? The only time it's ever used is to cleanse the dots of under performing dot classes. And if the ability just exists to kick bad specs while they are down why even have it? This seems like a case of everyone else has it so we have to as well. Cleanse doesn't serve much of a functional purpose in competitive swtor. Really?? Think again...
Ryvirath Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Really?? Think again... I did. Oh... and again. And then a third time for kicks.
Morde_ Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Really?? Think again... In his competitive pvp he lets his healers sit in 8 second mezzes.
Ryvirath Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) In his competitive pvp he lets his healers sit in 8 second mezzes. Absolutely. It takes roughly 3 seconds to reflex cleanse a stun from your rotation. That's third or fourth GCD at best. That means in the best situations your are burning one GCD to gain two GCDs. Your welcome to link me even two instances of mez cleansing in arenas or ranked that was beneficial. Also you shouldn't ever need to cleanse stealth mezzes and the only other relevant 8 sec mezes are flashbang/whirlwind. If your argument is that cleanse is in the game so you can deal with flashbang/whirlwind I'd give you the confused smiley face in real life. Edited August 22, 2013 by Ryvirath
Morde_ Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Absolutely. It takes roughly 3 seconds to reflex cleanse a stun from your rotation. That's third or fourth GCD at best. That means in the best situations your are burning one GCD to gain two GCDs. Your welcome to link me even two instances of mez cleansing in arenas or ranked that was beneficial. Also you shouldn't ever need to cleanse stealth mezzes and the only other relevant 8 sec mezes are flashbang/whirlwind. If your argument is that cleanse is in the game so you can deal with flashbang/whirlwind I'd give you the confused smiley face in real life. Holy **** you're cute and I'd love for my team to play against your team if you're arguing that cleansing CC is not beneficial. What server are you on? Edited August 22, 2013 by Morde_
Tankqull Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) hmm he didnt asked to remove clense but to redesign it to not effect dots wich are not cc types ... and that is quite ok as it only hurt currently those specs that are allready really weak - balance/madness, pyro/a-specialist the other dot lines have protection skills for their dots wich render cleanses useless anyway. Edited August 22, 2013 by Tankqull
Ryvirath Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Holy **** you're cute and I'd love for my team to play against your team if you're arguing that cleansing CC is not beneficial. What server are you on? What does my server have to do with anything? Also you already missed the train on my argument and the correct derogatory use of the word cute. For what it's worth Pot5. For double the worth, yes if you desire, I will beat you with any class/spec.
Morde_ Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 What does my server have to do with anything? Also you already missed the train on my argument and the correct derogatory use of the word cute. For what it's worth Pot5. For double the worth, yes if you desire, I will beat you with any class/spec. I was hoping you'd be on my server so we could set up a ranked game where we can CC train your healers and watch as you ignore cleanses. Ask Casual if they think cleansing CC is useful.
Aehgo Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 That's a stupid suggestion. Although maybe increasing the CD of cleanse and make it cost a little more resource may help these specs a little,in arenas I'd imagine most healers wouldn't bother cleansing these minor dots as it means the other team can't use CC effectively on you..
Ryvirath Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I was hoping you'd be on my server so we could set up a ranked game where we can CC train your healers and watch as you ignore cleanses. Ask Casual if they think cleansing CC is useful. I could also ask my magic eight ball for all the relevance that has. Your welcome to link a video of a ranked game that proves your point. I know I've never seen anything beyond a 1 for 2 gain and even that is rare.
AngusFTW Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I'd love to know what healer would waste there time cleansing vigilance dots.. Watchman/anni maybe.. but vigilance?
Evolixe Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 In his competitive pvp he lets his healers sit in 8 second mezzes. XD Yeah, better cleanse those dots rather than your teammate who can stop 10 times the dots damage worth in 1 gcd. Super ignorant.
KaptainKook Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) For what it's worth Pot5. For double the worth, yes if you desire, I will beat you with any class/spec. Tau'Kappa Volunteers as tribune. Also I Place 10 mill on the outcome. Edited August 22, 2013 by KaptainKook
JediMasterSLC Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Agree with OP about listed specs needing cleansing protection (except tactics VG, and lethality- because it already has a mechanic for that and that's not it's problem), some more than others, but completely removing cleanse from any of the healer classes ...... no. A balanced solution exists, this is not it. @guy who thinks cleansing CC is wasteful: lol
Xeraz Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 For Dot based classes to be strong in pvp they require utility and/or CC. Most of the dot based classes actually have less of both, surprisingly.
ErikGW Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 If a healer is cleansing dots on a target that is getting focus fired instead of healing the target, they will die. And the dots can be re-applied as fast as they can removed, unless you have multiple people cleansing, which now doubly accelerates the impending death under focus fire since 2 healers are cleansing instead of healing.
sithBracer Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I cleanse myself and the tank that is guarding me religiously (especially when I am running away). I also cleanse dots when I spam surgical probe (don't judge me, op haters) on dying teammates. And if the current person I am healing has a bunch of dots I just throw out a cleanse quickly. It's honestly not a main move, just a side move I do in between heals. The only time I look to cleanse a teammate who has been cced is when we are 2/3 v 1 trying to cap a node before the other team gets to us.
MadeOfIce Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 This is just an idea but what if..... they make a relic that when it procs it causes uncleanseable dots for x amount of time with a 20 second cooldown.
PerinnAybara Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 My arsenal's survivability would be in the toilet if I didn't cleanse dots like the boss I am.
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