Master_McBain Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 I'm a level 55 Gunslinger. Hybrid Spec 2/17/27. I'm using two Elite War Hero Relic of Boundless Ages. +44 Endurance +60 Expertise Rating +120 Power I know the Underworld Relic of Serendipitous Assault is BOSS, but is it really if I have 2 Elite War Hero Relic of Boundless Ages? I would hate to lose 240 power. Am I doing this wrong? What 2 relics should I roll with. Sorry if this has been asked before but everyone seems to have a different opinion. So...what say you?
AngelFluttershy Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Currently, players are rolling with Serendipitous Assault and Boundless Ages for BiS gearing. Both the elemental and internal damage procs are currently Force (speculated to be a bug), so the BA takes the cake for second relic for Gunslingers. Serendipitous Assault is unquestionably the best relic for us boasting a +70DPS increase. The relics you have are good substitutes until you can start getting Underworld relics (Arkanian relics are tough to get outside of the GTN and Dread Guard relics are only slightly better than Elite War Hero).
Synavix Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Currently, players are rolling with Serendipitous Assault and Boundless Ages for BiS gearing. Both the elemental and internal damage procs are currently Force (speculated to be a bug), so the BA takes the cake for second relic for Gunslingers. Serendipitous Assault is unquestionably the best relic for us boasting a +70DPS increase. The relics you have are good substitutes until you can start getting Underworld relics (Arkanian relics are tough to get outside of the GTN and Dread Guard relics are only slightly better than Elite War Hero). This is pretty much spot on. Last time I looked at some math on the relics, I believe an Internal tech proc would have beat out the Boundless Ages very slightly in terms of straight DPS in a 2 minute window, but the utility that a BA relic provides for burn phases or different timespans makes it (the BA) a stronger choice regardless imo...at least for anything other than a dummy fight in 2 minute increments. Edited August 22, 2013 by Synavix
darth_psychose Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 what about a pvp serendipitous assaut and a pve serendipitous assaut with a point in auto healing from cover ?. 2 proc power each relic. What do you think about it ?
RikuvonDrake Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 I am using one Kell Dragon Serendipitous Assault and one Underworld Serendipitous Assault, with one point in Cool Under Pressure I get ****loads of power procs from both healing and damage, also I play the hybrid.
paowee Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 what about a pvp serendipitous assaut and a pve serendipitous assaut with a point in auto healing from cover ?. 2 proc power each relic. What do you think about it ? A very very strong relic choice until it gets nerfed. It is what I am planning to get. But other than that i usually go the default, PVE BA + SA
Torgru Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) A very very strong relic choice until it gets nerfed. It is what I am planning to get. But other than that i usually go the default, PVE BA + SA I would prefer to say until it gets fixed. BioWare has made the stance that the stacking of these relics isn't intended in the past, present or the future. I won't tell you not to run SA/SA, but you should at least feel a little guilty about exploiting unintended mechanics when you do Afterwards, if you avoid dual-SA, then SA/BA is currently best in slot, especially for non-MM, who sustain higher hits per second than MM. The extra hits reduces the time between procs. Now, a rule of thumb, is every 23 seconds. As lethality (dirty fighting for you filthy pubbies ), I find that I pretty much get it every 20 seconds, 21 if it stretches. But, even at 23 seconds, an Obroan SA will provide an overall average of 184 power. If every 20 seconds on the dime, it's 208.5. EWH BA just can't keep up. Then, for the clicky Boundless Ages, the DF version would afford 161.5 assuming use on cooldown. Edited October 26, 2013 by Torgru
paowee Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Shameless bump BiS relics are 1. Dread Forged Focused Retribution 2. Dread Forged Serendipitous Assault BiS relics if you put 1 point in Cool Under Pressure 1. Dread Forged Focused Retribution 2. Kell Dragon Serendipitous Assault From https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkzUO0ns_bnMdGQ2b0NIX3BLcXlwY0ZNMURqN0VHWUE&usp=drive_web#gid=10 Relic DPS RELIC PROCS OFF DAMAGE AND HEALS UPTIME DPS #1 Dread Forged Focused Retribution 138.62 with Cool Under Pressure #3 Kell Dragon Serendipitous Assault 118.90 with Cool Under Pressure #4 Dread Forged Serendipitous Assault 96.41 does not work with Cool Under Pressure With Cool Under Pressure Kell Dragon SA is ~20 more DPS than Dread Forged SA From http://swtorboard.org/2013/12/30/swtor-dps-bis-gear/ Personally I wish they would fix relics "exploiting" Cool Under Pressure. It is somewhat annoying when "optimal" means messing up the skill tree >_<. Maybe i'll get off the relic exploit wagon some day.. it is only 22 DPS.. Edited January 22, 2014 by paowee
Llama-Eight Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 So, does this mean that some of the SA/FR relics will proc off both damage & healing (cool under pressure) on separate timers? What about the Obroan ones? I was having a discussion with a guildie last night & I thought I saw a post on here that stated that the Obroan SA/FR relics will both proc on separate timers from damage & healing.
paowee Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) So, does this mean that some of the SA/FR relics will proc off both damage & healing (cool under pressure) on separate timers? What about the Obroan ones? I was having a discussion with a guildie last night & I thought I saw a post on here that stated that the Obroan SA/FR relics will both proc on separate timers from damage & healing. I believe the PVE DF does not stack with PVP DF. Thats why most AMR's im seeing have DF FR + KD SA if they can self heal. and DF FR + DF SA if they can not. I am thinking of going DF FR + DF SA and scrapping my KD SA because the 1 point in the self-heal is somewhat annoying. I would like to spec 36/3/7 (25% proc on dot and 21 second duration) not 36/4/6 -_- Edited February 7, 2014 by paowee
Llama-Eight Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) But would two PvP relics stack (while I'm working on getting the two PvE relics)? I suppose the test would be for a decent length parse & check on how many times the relics proc, whether they're roughly every 10 seconds each (proccing on both damage & healing on separate cooldowns) or every ~20s. Edit: So, a DF SA + FR wouldn't stack/proc off both heal & damage separately. That's good to know at least. I doubt I'll be geting the KD SA relic any time soon though, as there's no desire to do the NiM TFB/S&V raids in my guild. Edited February 10, 2014 by Llama-Eight
Kaos_KidSWTOR Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 DF SA/DF FR is the BIS for all DPS classes, except maybe Pyro PT/Assault VG.
paowee Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 except maybe Pyro PT/Assault VG. What are their BIS relics and why? Just curious.
Kaos_KidSWTOR Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 What are their BIS relics and why? Just curious. Im not 100% sure, i think it's DF SA and DF (insert Crit Boost Relic name here) again, not sure. not an expert on Pyro PT/Assault VG. Take my information with a grain of air. (didnt say salt because salt was actually a currency in ye old world)
Ardarell_Solo Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 DF SA/DF FR is the BIS for all DPS classes, except maybe Pyro PT/Assault VG. Nope, as stated above, not for classes with self heal abilities: The bug in KD and UW SA (independent procs on Damage and Heals, ignoring the 20s cooldown) make them both superior to DF SA, as that behaves "correctly", i.e. you only get procs every 20s, either from damage or healing. The DPS increase on a Watchman Sent is about 25 DPS for KD SA vs. DF SA and 15 DPS for UW SA vs. DF SA.
Llama-Eight Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) I've finally had some time to do a bit of excel work on my latest parse (DP final "boss"), I have both the Orboan relics (FR & SA) & 1 point in Cool Under Pressure. ~10mins of parse data/combat, I had 54 Power procs & 68 Main stat procs, which to my limited maths, is an average of 1 power proc every ~24 secs & 1 main stat proc every ~19 secs. So they don't proc on separate cooldowns. Edited February 20, 2014 by Llama-Eight
woopstn Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 @paowee & rest: For some reason the stat boosts and relict details used for the maths in the calc sheet u linked here don't match with those i found in the item descriptions ingame - so for example the DF FR main stat boost shown is 225 instead of 740 with a CD of 40 instead of 20. Thus it would be pretty weak compared to SA and BA. Also DF SA has a power boost of 625 (same as Obroan) instead of 740. I read about the 'planned' changes (that should have been done by now) on SA and FR but don't really find these stat changes ingame. I'm confused
GalaxyStrong Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 Nope, as stated above, not for classes with self heal abilities: The bug in KD and UW SA (independent procs on Damage and Heals, ignoring the 20s cooldown) make them both superior to DF SA, as that behaves "correctly", i.e. you only get procs every 20s, either from damage or healing. The DPS increase on a Watchman Sent is about 25 DPS for KD SA vs. DF SA and 15 DPS for UW SA vs. DF SA. is this still effective post 2.7 update?????
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