ExarKunxx Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) So with the upcoming patch, Bioware is changing the current strategy employed by guilds for the nightmare Cartel Warlords. Now there is no way to avoid the soft enrage when there is 1 boss left. So now I'm wondering, who will you guys save for last? Horic deals too much damage to be saved for last. Tuchuks debuff is murder in the tank and the healer's energy. Sunder when last will cast "the end" and one shot everyone 1 by 1. And Vilus gets even stabbier. We got them down this past week for the first time. So my question for other guilds that have downed them, what will you do? Edited August 20, 2013 by ExarKunxx
KeyboardNinja Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) So with the upcoming patch, Bioware is changing the current strategy employed by guilds for the nightmare Cartel Warlords. Now there is no way to avoid the soft enrage when there is 1 boss left. So now I'm wondering, who will you guys save for last? Horic deals too much damage to be saved for last. Tuchuks debuff is murder in the tank and the healer's energy. Sunder when last will cast "the end" and one shot everyone 1 by 1. And Vilus gets even stabbier. Vilus is healable as long as your healers remain stab-free. It's super-hard though due to his henchmen outsourcing his AoE. Horic is categorically unkillable last. It's hard enough to do this in hard mode… Tu'chuk isn't that horrific if you have the right tanking comp. Shadows have very little armor to begin with, so his debuff doesn't mean as much as it would for another tank. Still, very rough. Honestly, I would totally go Sunder last if you have any combination of Shadow and/or Guardian tanks, except for the adds. These already hit unbelievably hard in hard mode. Nightmare Mode would be nigh unhealable. If you could somehow get through it though, and you had shadow/guardian tanks, The End is a trivial mechanic to negate. The other possibility is to just take down three bosses at once rather than two. When my guild does this fight in hard mode, we usually kill all four at the same time (saves a lot of effort!). Kill Horic to get rid of the green goo of pain, then push the rest down. The patch notes seem to imply that the mini-enrage happens when exactly two bosses remain alive. If this mechanic doesn't apply to three bosses, then we might be ok. Trickier to heal than previously though, since you have to keep tu'chuk up for a lot longer. Edited August 20, 2013 by KeyboardNinja
paowee Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) The good ol... farm up for a few weeks and come back with stronger gear But yeah hmm... i haven't seen Sunder last in NiM mode but I would pick him. I can imagine vent screaming as the raid tries to burn him down while he slowly picks everbody off 1 by 1. Kind of like "last man standing" sort of encounter. Fun Edited August 20, 2013 by paowee
paowee Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 On another note.. will need some confirmation but afaik, you can "mitigate" Villus' backstab damage if you have a knockback immunity buff on you. On m Sniper back in the day, I would get 1 shotted by CG + Vilus at the beginning of the fight. I started to use Entrench right off the bat and took no damage at all when Vilus appears to do his backstab / knockdown.
Ansalem Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 honestly I would save garr for last and pray to the mmo gods that a healer doesnt get stunned. Im just happy that they fixed the enrage timer on the fight since that was the only real problem with doing it the normal way in the first place. Wonder if BW will bothering testing enrage timers ever?
dipstik Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 i wouldnt be suprised if the enrage is triggered by any 2 being below 50%, but trying to get all 4 down is worth a shot
Ausgelebt Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) With the right setup you could try to do sunder at last. Lets say you have Jugger Tank Jugger DPS Shadow Tank Sniper DPS Maro DPS Sage DPS Jugger Tank->Reflect 1st Jugger DPS -> Reflect 2nd Shadow Tank-> Resilence 3rd Sniper DPS (can he "roll" last end?) Maro DPS 99% bubble Sage DPS time bubble right and from the begin I'm waiting for DnT calculations though ;> Edited August 21, 2013 by Ausgelebt
KeyboardNinja Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 With the right setup you could try to do sunder at last. Doing Sunder last is really only hard because of the healing on the adds, which is *intense*. If it weren't for that, and the fact that you can't have a powertech/vanguard tank, I would be all over that strategy. In fact, before my guild started killing all of them at once in HM, that's what we generally did (Sunder last).
Fiamma_Verde Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Wonder if it's triggered just by having any two below 50% regardless on whether the others or up or not. I'd like to see if our focus sent can still force sweep them all to death...
Ausgelebt Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Doing Sunder last is really only hard because of the healing on the adds, which is *intense*. If it weren't for that, and the fact that you can't have a powertech/vanguard tank, I would be all over that strategy. In fact, before my guild started killing all of them at once in HM, that's what we generally did (Sunder last). We have a vanguard tank. Edited August 21, 2013 by Ausgelebt
LordCJK Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 We got it tonight doing in this order: Horic -> Tu'chuk -> Sunder -> Vilus Garr 20 sec stabs are rly hurt, but it's like the best way.
FridgeLM Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 We got it tonight doing in this order: Horic -> Tu'chuk -> Sunder -> Vilus Garr 20 sec stabs are rly hurt, but it's like the best way. Yeah I'd guess this is probably the easiest way to go about doing it assuming that you can't kill 3 or more at once.
KeyboardNinja Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Yeah I'd guess this is probably the easiest way to go about doing it assuming that you can't kill 3 or more at once. It's all RNG though. If one of your healers gets stabbed while the adds are up, you're done.
Amantino Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Well, if he stabs one of the healers and stunbreak is on cd, you're screwed. He hits once per second, and hit me for 7,8k on each hit on my marauder. I don't even want to imagine how hard he hits on a sorc But overall wasn't too hard. 3 attempts total, where first one was trying Tu'chuk last, so only 2 attempts with correct order. I'll take my hat off for anyone that are able to kill Tu'chuk last.
Ausgelebt Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 We got it tonight doing in this order: Horic -> Tu'chuk -> Sunder -> Vilus Garr 20 sec stabs are rly hurt, but it's like the best way. Does Vilus Garr give adds when he is there last?
pantalaimona Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I'll take my hat off for anyone that are able to kill Tu'chuk last. Challenge accepted!! Does Vilus Garr give adds when he is there last? Yep
Ansalem Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Does Vilus Garr give adds when he is there last? yeah in 8m he gets 2 adds that shield him so you must kill adds.
Shandellon Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Same goes for 16man. 2 adds shielding him, must be killed prior to damaging Vilus
Samoth_Nomad Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 We got it tonight doing in this order: Horic -> Tu'chuk -> Sunder -> Vilus Garr 20 sec stabs are rly hurt, but it's like the best way. Nice work guys! I bet that's one heck of a fight.
JDotter Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Well, if he stabs one of the healers and stunbreak is on cd, you're screwed. He hits once per second, and hit me for 7,8k on each hit on my marauder. I don't even want to imagine how hard he hits on a sorc But overall wasn't too hard. 3 attempts total, where first one was trying Tu'chuk last, so only 2 attempts with correct order. I'll take my hat off for anyone that are able to kill Tu'chuk last. Jokes on the other classes finally 79 Stabbing Spree 410968 5202.13 Madness sorcs get a 30% DR while being stunned. I took less DMG then my tank and got stabbed 5-7 times. We went Horic - Sunder- Tu'chuk- Garr Also attempted Tu'chuk last holy hell
Carlenux Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Jokes on the other classes finally 79 Stabbing Spree 410968 5202.13 Madness sorcs get a 30% DR while being stunned. I took less DMG then my tank and got stabbed 5-7 times. We went Horic - Sunder- Tu'chuk- Garr Also attempted Tu'chuk last holy hell an he *********** surrived... and told him to hold.. when we ask our ssin tank to CC break it lolol.... to be fair... tuchuk, normal hit was like 2.8k x3 on normal... when we killed last add he was at 20 stack he did 5kX3 no CD + 2 tanks... it doesnt feel so bad, i mean we had what? 2 minutes before enrage, if u have a 3rd cleanse calss (sorc,op) u can have 2 full time heals plus dps cleansing tank, or just burning fast enough. problem with our attempt was that heal got confused or worried with all the dmg and didnt cleanse for like 12 secs on PT tank then on ssin tank, thats what killed us, cleansing always > healing in this fight, but when u getting 15k each 3 sec bursts its a bit scary... like if u save CDs for after 3rd add... oil 17 sec + 17 sec shield + off tank 2-3 CDs is like 30 seconds more.. u can buy almost a minute of CDs, still really hard, but is just healing hard, not RNG hard... if vilus decides to kill u, he will, simple lol. Edited August 23, 2013 by Carlenux
Amantino Posted August 24, 2013 Posted August 24, 2013 Jokes on the other classes finally 79 Stabbing Spree 410968 5202.13 Madness sorcs get a 30% DR while being stunned. I took less DMG then my tank and got stabbed 5-7 times. We went Horic - Sunder- Tu'chuk- Garr Also attempted Tu'chuk last holy hell I've always said Sorcs are overpowered. Thanks for proving it
gunte Posted August 24, 2013 Posted August 24, 2013 So you cant take 2 of them down at the same time and kill them with aoe.. solution? Take 3 of them down at the same time and kill with aoe Killed them like this on the first attempt with this tactic ^^ New patch incoming next week? xD
Ansalem Posted August 24, 2013 Posted August 24, 2013 So you cant take 2 of them down at the same time and kill them with aoe.. solution? Take 3 of them down at the same time and kill with aoe Killed them like this on the first attempt with this tactic ^^ New patch incoming next week? xD I'm shocked! You mean the BW devs didnt have the foresight to test out killing 3 or 4 at the same time? Mind boggling. Its almost as if they are the laziest devs on earth! #l2p #perceptionproblem
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